Why Jesus is NOT the messiah?
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(someone mail me this for knowledge haven't read just share.)
For 2,000 years, Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why?
It is important to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus. The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position. The more data that's available, the better-informed choices people can make about their spiritual path.
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:
1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:
5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology
6) Jews and Gentiles
7) Bringing the Messiah
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1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
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2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH
A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET
Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.
B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!
C. TORAH OBSERVANCE
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
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3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.
A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
B. CRUCIFIXION
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."
C. SUFFERING SERVANT
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."
In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.
Ironically, Isaiah's prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.
From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nanianzus, wrote: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire." -
sigh who created GOD?
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Originally posted by Joolead:
sigh who created GOD?
Nobody created God. For if somebody or some entity had created God, then that entity would instead be God (and not the one being created). And if that entity was in turn created by another entity, then that other entity would be God instead (and not the entity that was created). This can go on but ultimately, it must stop somewhere, at a primary entity who first started the chain - who was not created by anyone. And we call this ultimate entity GOD.
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if God is ultimate perfection then He cannot be created cos to create sth, u must be more perfect than the creation...since God is ultimate perfection, He cannot be created cos u cun be more perfect than ultimate perfection...
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man can onli use up to a maximum of 15% of his brain...if wer r able to understand everything abt God n hence believe in Him...then tis God is no smarter or greater than 15% of the human brain...wad does tis leave us wif? a God who in actual fact is less brilliant than humans since our human brains have yet to realise our ultimate potential... hence, it makes sense tat God has to be someone who is beyond our understanding n whose ways r higher than ours...
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in conclusion, if i can fully understand God, i will definitely believe He exists but it will no longer be by faith but by logic...but then again, i dun tink i will put my trust n life in Him cos He would onli be equal to 15% of my human brain...how does it benefit me to worship a God of tat level of ability? i am a christian btw n have absolute faith in God...
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http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c039.html
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Originally posted by despondent:
in conclusion, if i can fully understand God,
Nobody can fully understand God even those who have the [partial] knowledge of God are still basing their relationship mainly on faith.
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yup...tats y i said IF...n its an IF tat i noe dun exist cos God is greater than 15% of our brain...like i said, being able to understand God would mean He is no greater than 15% of our brain...wad for worship Him in is if tis is the case?
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need someone to find out the ans...
if i am wrong than i go hell but what if those believer is wrong what will happen to them.since lot of pple believe in this GOD.
My qns are:
1)the believer believe that they will go to a better place "heaven" after dead.Does anyone been there before?(maybe some believer can try it and tell us,it not a sin since it fullfill god's purpose 1)can go to a better place and 2)agreat deed as the believer's organ can save other,too.)
2)alot of asian pple believe it what happen(if there is really better place) if after dead they appear at pearly gate and st.paul or peter say:'sorry pal.you got the wrong religion. and hell you go.'
3)since they believe in what believe in a so call powerful GOD ,why in the bible he chose to speak to some human to tell the other that he exist?why don't it just appear infront of people ?
(may be that time they don't have any shrink to look up for.)
4)the believer 's belief so call power GOD why are there recession (especaily in the country that believe it?) and poverty and sickness still around?
(who created GOD?)
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Originally posted by despondent:
http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c039.html
every the chin ,sound like it avoiding the ans saying it is illogicall.so what is logical by believing something that don't exist at all?
very the pyscho oso quoting from the bible say that everything have a beginning in what and what cause the beginning?
next it stated enegry and where does it come from and how does it from?and why is there ahug mass of enegry?
(oops no don't me tell it from the bible again. as it written by human,sigh.)
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Originally posted by Joolead:
My qns are:
1)the believer believe that they will go to a better place "heaven" after dead.Does anyone been there before?(maybe some believer can try it and tell us,it not a sin since it fullfill god's purpose 1)can go to a better place and 2)agreat deed as the believer's organ can save other,too.)
2)alot of asian pple believe it what happen(if there is really better place) if after dead they appear at pearly gate and st.paul or peter say:'sorry pal.you got the wrong religion. and hell you go.'
3)since they believe in what believe in a so call powerful GOD ,why in the bible he chose to speak to some human to tell the other that he exist?why don't it just appear infront of people ?
(may be that time they don't have any shrink to look up for.)
4)the believer 's belief so call power GOD why are there recession (especaily in the country that believe it?) and poverty and sickness still around?
(who created GOD?)
fundamentally speaking..... do you believe in the existence of the supernatural realm?
1. there are people who claimed to have seen ghosts and spirits.... so do ghosts and spirits exists?
2. if there is pearly gate that turned away people that are in the wrong race, then the supernatural realm exists.
3. in the Bible, God appeared in a column of cloud and a pillar of fire to the Israelites.., but since you don't want to quote the Bible as evidence, why bother to ask?
4. when you jump from a 10 storey building, it is likely you will die, even if you are a Christian. The world operates on the system it has created, it will suffer the consequences of the system it has created. Very much the same, when Israel elected Saul as king inspite of the warnings not to, Israel suffered the consequences of that decision.
who created God? you will have the chance to ask him when you meet him.
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íts funny how humans who onli have 15% usage of our brain tries so hard to understand a God who is greater than 100% of our brain. we cun even answer conclusively how living things came into existence yet we qn how the creator who brought living things to being came into existence...havent even learn how to walk wanna learn how to fly...
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For you cannot even predict what will happen the next day, why do you challenge God?
To address some issues.
1.First and foremost, it is a sin to commit suicide because life is a gift.
2.The sufferings of the world are heared and not ignored.
3.Recession is a economic crisis and people are affected because of their love of money, materials and earthly satisfaction. God can't care less about how much money, materials and earthly satisfaction that men indulge in.
4.Jesus came in the word of God. God said in voice that Jesus was his son beloved, listen to him.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
fundamentally speaking..... do you believe in the existence of the supernatural realm?
1. there are people who claimed to have seen ghosts and spirits.... so do ghosts and spirits exists?
2. if there is pearly gate that turned away people that are in the wrong race, then the supernatural realm exists.
3. in the Bible, God appeared in a column of cloud and a pillar of fire to the Israelites.., but since you don't want to quote the Bible as evidence, why bother to ask?
4. when you jump from a 10 storey building, it is likely you will die, even if you are a Christian. The world operates on the system it has created, it will suffer the consequences of the system it has created. Very much the same, when Israel elected Saul as king inspite of the warnings not to, Israel suffered the consequences of that decision.
who created God? you will have the chance to ask him when you meet him.
i don't think so he is not inside my dictionary unless he give me lot of mr yusof bin ishak in paper and with 1 inform and lot of zero behind without any decimal place then he is truly my god..else my god will be mr yusof bin ishak .
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Originally posted by Makanyhow:
For you cannot even predict what will happen the next day, why do you challenge God?
To address some issues.
1.First and foremost, it is a sin to commit suicide because life is a gift.
2.The sufferings of the world are heared and not ignored.
3.Recession is a economic crisis and people are affected because of their love of money, materials and earthly satisfaction. God can't care less about how much money, materials and earthly satisfaction that men indulge in.
4.Jesus came in the word of God. God said in voice that Jesus was his son beloved, listen to him.
who say it is a asin to commit suicide it fulfill the purpose mah can be in a better place and can save 7 people with your 7 major important organs..you didn't willsmith show 7 pounds..i encourage all christian to watch and follow else defeat the purpose of believe and then can back tell me if they are in a better place.
last recession started from the courty that believe in this god..
while really If GOD came from the word of then his mary no need to suffer from labour pain...
your god who manulipated by mankind just for money..sigh.
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Originally posted by despondent:
íts funny how humans who onli have 15% usage of our brain tries so hard to understand a God who is greater than 100% of our brain. we cun even answer conclusively how living things came into existence yet we qn how the creator who brought living things to being came into existence...havent even learn how to walk wanna learn how to fly...
so great that it didn't see a shrink when it needed one..(too bad that time don't have...)