Will you die for your God?
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Originally posted by Sgal.83:
In the book of Daniel, three men rather get burned in fire than to compromise their faith in God.
Hi S.gal.83, are u sure that u have not misunderstood the book of Daniel?
"If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the furnace of blazing fire; and He will deliver us out of your hand, O king. Daniel 3:17 NASB.
Hashem dun need martyr, Hashem, being G-d dun need martyr to die for him, He is perfectly capable of looking after himself without the aid of martyr. Please read on, the book of Daniel, to understand better. After the incident, the King of Babylon said this:
Nebuchadnezzar responded and said, "Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego, who has sent His angel and delivered His servants who put their trust in Him, violating the king's command, and yielded up their bodies so as not to serve or worship any god except their own God.
"Therefore I make a decree that any people, nation or tongue that speaks anything offensive against the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego shall be torn limb from limb and their houses reduced to a rubbish heap, inasmuch as there is no other god who is able to deliver in this way." Daniel 3:28-29 NASB.
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Originally posted by Creation1656:
Hi S.gal.83, are u sure that u have not misunderstood the book of Daniel?
"If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the furnace of blazing fire; and He will deliver us out of your hand, O king. Daniel 3:17 NASB.
Hashem dun need martyr, Hashem, being G-d dun need martyr to die for him, He is perfectly capable of looking after himself without the aid of martyr. Please read on, the book of Daniel, to understand better. After the incident, the King of Babylon said this:
Nebuchadnezzar responded and said, "Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego, who has sent His angel and delivered His servants who put their trust in Him, violating the king's command, and yielded up their bodies so as not to serve or worship any god except their own God.
"Therefore I make a decree that any people, nation or tongue that speaks anything offensive against the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego shall be torn limb from limb and their houses reduced to a rubbish heap, inasmuch as there is no other god who is able to deliver in this way." Daniel 3:28-29 NASB.
haha i kinda agree that God don't need matyrs, but rather.. matyrs are like.. collateral damage =x
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Originally posted by kira.sg:
Of course, I will.
My god gives me food, drinks and clothing.
The name of my god is Money.
What I know, is well, Money is god, I love Money and Money is the greatest.
$$$
You must do this, then it's counted
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
You must do this, then it's counted
Should be like this
or
$$ is great
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Originally posted by kira.sg:
Should be like thisor
$$ is great
that's not dying for money wat!
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
thank you. =)
personally i am not a science guy. i didn't like chemistry nor did i like physics. and i definitely didn't take biology.
but there are some very superficial questions about evolution which i have heard and tried to understand.
like lack of missing links, support for the noah's flood, dna pool losing information, inaccurate carbon dating (all these i heard in a sermon at my church, but well, i wasn't really paying attention =P)
but that's creation which i am definitely not knowledgable enough to answer =)
maybe u can check this site out, the doctor who shared with my church is from this organization
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
what i know, is well, Jesus is God, Jesus is love, Jesus is salvation. =)
How do you define missing links?
When scientists find similar fossils A and B, you'll want to see AB
When the link between A, AB and B is discovered, you'll want to see AAB and ABB.
A => AAB => AB =>ABB =>B
Fossils are very difficult to form, and thus discovering all the links aren't possible, but the answer. However, for the human evolutionary line, we have discovered the Neanderthal Man (This may be ABB, if B is modern humans), whose bone structure has distinct differences from Man.
Using radiocarbon dating, the specimens appear to be 30,000~33,000 years old.
As for the accuracy of radiocarbon dating, it was previosly up to 5000 years ago, still within the biblical age of the earth, however, as of 2001, scientists have extended the accuracy period to 45,000 years.
Furthermore, another method of dating, Saturation Transfer, EPR, also yielded similar results with radiocarbon dating. -
Lol. Basically Gods get reborn. Humans live 1 life. No i wont die for god. But i'll respect them.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
well...since u claimed my knowledge of evolution is 0. perhaps u can provide the better understanding of explaining to me where and what humans evolved from? in ur own opinion.
and why does one need to challenge their very own beliefs if they ACTUALLY believe? isn't this contradicting oneself?
I think humans came from apes, which no longer exist today.
These apes scattered around the world, and had different social groups. Each group tried to do different things, some climb trees, some forage for food on the forest floor.
Those on the floor learned to use tools, while those on trees developed tails, as climbing was difficult, and they often fell, so tails are used to grab on to branches for more security.
Then the apes on the floor slowly developed into human-like creatures, then humans.
well, my description lacks alot of details, but this is the gist of it.
Why do i challenge my beliefs? because im not sure if its the truth.
Eg: when you were young, ur mom told u not to stay up late, or ghost will come catch you. out of fear, you never test whether ghosts exist or not, and for your whole lifetime, you believe in ghosts.
Isn't that... not good?
btw, I already know of www.answersingenesis.org. I visit there often. -
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
that's not dying for money wat!
My “die for” or “dying for” meaning is “to desire or want keenly or greatly” and not “to cease to live”.
People needs money to live, god needs people to believe. Therefore, no money = no people = no god.
$$ is still great.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
science does not explain everything.
God doesn't explain everything either. -
Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
I think humans came from apes, which no longer exist today.
These apes scattered around the world, and had different social groups. Each group tried to do different things, some climb trees, some forage for food on the forest floor.
Those on the floor learned to use tools, while those on trees developed tails, as climbing was difficult, and they often fell, so tails are used to grab on to branches for more security.
Then the apes on the floor slowly developed into human-like creatures, then humans.
well, my description lacks alot of details, but this is the gist of it.
Why do i challenge my beliefs? because im not sure if its the truth.
Eg: when you were young, ur mom told u not to stay up late, or ghost will come catch you. out of fear, you never test whether ghosts exist or not, and for your whole lifetime, you believe in ghosts.
Isn't that... not good?
btw, I already know of www.answersingenesis.org. I visit there often.If apes can developed into human beings, im extremely astonished as i wonder how a brain of an animal then.. can evolved into a human brain dat can create rockets, satellites & medicine now. amazing...
U challenge those beliefs dat u doubt. who doesn't? haha. but do u challenge those beliefs dat u BELIEVE?
Btw all websites are created by man. so it doesn't spells 100% truth in it. its all down to the perception of the very man who wrote the particular information. Agree?
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
God doesn't explain everything either.
Man doesn't explain everything either...
And probably after this someone will post "Jesus doesn't explain everything either",
And then another will post "satan doesn't explain everything either",
And maybe one guy will post "pastor kong hee doesn't explain everything either"
And then one girl will post "your stupid c**k doesn't explain everything either"
And the arguements go on & on...
at the end of the day people only want to believe what they want to believe don't they?
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
If apes can developed into human beings, im extremely astonished as i wonder how a brain of an animal then.. can evolved into a human brain dat can create rockets, satellites & medicine now. amazing...
U challenge those beliefs dat u doubt. who doesn't? haha. but do u challenge those beliefs dat u BELIEVE?
Btw all websites are created by man. so it doesn't spells 100% truth in it. its all down to the perception of the very man who wrote the particular information. Agree?
There are very detailed and logical explanations as to why the brain of a lower species can evolve to us humans. It is indeed astonishing. there are no beliefs that i BELIEVE. i doubt everything. (its ironical i know) if u go read socrates' philosophy, u'll understand. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
God doesn't explain everything either.
actually, I agree with you.... but my take is, God doesn't need to explain everything...it is my belief that science and religion go hand in hand.
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
There are very detailed and logical explanations as to why the brain of a lower species can evolve to us humans. It is indeed astonishing. there are no beliefs that i BELIEVE. i doubt everything. (its ironical i know) if u go read socrates' philosophy, u'll understand.i agree with you on the ironic part. many things are unexplainable including God Himself. dats why i feel He is amazing(smart in dat sense not to tell us humans everything). I mean...isn't it interesting dat life's a mystery. dats why we can hav so much to talk about in forums.
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There's good food. Does anyone disbelieve that there's a good cook?
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Originally posted by Creation1656:
Hi S.gal.83, are u sure that u have not misunderstood the book of Daniel?
"If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the furnace of blazing fire; and He will deliver us out of your hand, O king. Daniel 3:17 NASB.
Hashem dun need martyr, Hashem, being G-d dun need martyr to die for him, He is perfectly capable of looking after himself without the aid of martyr. Please read on, the book of Daniel, to understand better. After the incident, the King of Babylon said this:
Nebuchadnezzar responded and said, "Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego, who has sent His angel and delivered His servants who put their trust in Him, violating the king's command, and yielded up their bodies so as not to serve or worship any god except their own God.
"Therefore I make a decree that any people, nation or tongue that speaks anything offensive against the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego shall be torn limb from limb and their houses reduced to a rubbish heap, inasmuch as there is no other god who is able to deliver in this way." Daniel 3:28-29 NASB.
The three men may not have died for their faiths. But the fact remains that they are WILLING to die for their faith rather than compromise their beliefs in God.
Out of the 12 disciples of Jesus, 10 of them died for their faiths, eventually.
Many early christians died for their faiths rather than denied Christ.
The fact remains that Christianity is a religion that requires a believer to value God over his or her own life, or even his or her own country's laws. That devotion to God above one's own life or one's country laws is what I find troubling about Christianity. I think that no matter what, an individual ought to value his or her own life and even his or her country's laws over his or her religion.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
actually, I agree with you.... but my take is, God doesn't need to explain everything...it is my belief that science and religion go hand in hand.
Disagree with you on the point that science and religion go hand in hand. -
Originally posted by S.gal83:
I wonder if you will be willing to die as a matyr for your God if the situation calls for it?
Will you still be a christian if christianity is outlawed in Singapore?
If you answered YES to both the questions above, why will you put your belief in Christ over the laws of Singapore? Why will you NOT put your own life over that of your religion?
I thought that your own life should be more important than your religion. I thought that the laws of Singapore should be more important than your religion.
Are you not being a little too zealous in your religion?
Those are hard questions. Ones which one may not be able to answer straightaway and only could be seen when the time comes.
But I would still be a Christian even when Christianity is outlawed in my own country.
It's not a matter of being overzealous but those who believe in Christ believe and some may even know for a fact that there is the life that Christ promises to those who believe in Him. I know that not only Christ promises a new life with Him but also power abound like no other for those few selected.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
actually, I agree with you.... but my take is, God doesn't need to explain everything...it is my belief that science and religion go hand in hand.
Perfect knowlege bear fruits to perfect technology and perfect understanding of God.
But in reality men do not have perfect knowledge and partial knowledge bears fruit to limited application and imperfect technology.
Men's contemporary knowledge is still not at any level to comprehend God not even a little. We are still solely depending on God for revealing Himself. And He does reveal Himself to many people to this day. These people are His witnesses.
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by saying tat u shld put urself ahead of God is like saying tat u shld put urself ahead of ur parents n ur spouse...hmmm...tis kind of ppl...betta dun marry them cos they love themselves more than they love u...
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You guys can debate all you want.. This topic is neverending.. this will be no right or wrong
And besides, no God will ask you to die for Him. This is just something that Man, perpetrates to his own benefit..
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
haha i kinda agree that God don't need matyrs, but rather.. matyrs are like.. collateral damage =x
Don't you know that Israel is the killers of prophets, the messengers of God? God is too long suffering...too patient too loving ...if I were God I would shake the whole world a little bit such that everyone bows on their knees to show who's in charge. Men need the humility.
ROAR my Lord don't hold back even a tiny bit any longer ROAR! and let the whole world tremble in fear! You are a potent Lord why are you holding back? They persecute and kill your chosen ones. They despise and live a life of insult to you. Don't take pity on this generation anymore. -
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Don't you know that Israel is the killers of prophets, the messengers of God? God is too long suffering...too patient too loving ...if I were God I would shake the whole world a little bit such that everyone bows on their knees to show who's in charge. Men need the humility.
ROAR my Lord don't hold back even a tiny bit any longer ROAR! and let the whole world tremble in fear! You are a potent Lord why are you holding back? They persecute and kill your chosen ones. They despise and live a life of insult to you. Don't take pity on this generation anymore.
God won't take pity because there is no God in the first place. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
God won't take pity because there is no God in the first place.
Unfortunately I saw God when I was little, 7th grade to be exact.
I saw a man that lived 2,000 years ago and walked with Jesus and now is alive and possessing power like no other. He was wearing a brown tunic one which is very similar to what the franciscan order monk would wear only that he was very well built
I had been given a very detailed prophecy of myself by priest in a highschool retreat. It happened 5 years later in your country. The prophecy made the oracle in the movie matrix a lame person
I rebuked an evil spirit sent my way by crying out to the Lord. It fled so fast I figured it tucked its tail between its legs lol
I once(and only that once)asked for an earthquake and was given...right there right then
God gave me knowledge of the true meaning of death
God allows me sometimes to feel what other people or a nation are feeling and to know things that are going to happen though not often or with a hiatus period.
My own mother had several Marian apparitions. They are of course genuine. I too had been saved by St Mary, my mind that is. She was the most charismatic person I've ever felt.
I really do have a story to tell but not just yet. Yes I'm bragging but not about me. Even everything supernatural at the disposal of your corrupt leaders were never ever on par with what I've seen.
Who is like God? You are the living God! My own eyes have behold you in glory and have witnesed the greatness of your wonder and your compassion and though I'm a sinner you took pity on me and didn't allow me to be destroyed by wicked men. I know that Istand forever in your sight just like every other person. I know that you know because you let me know that you know. You answered me: you are my chosen elect.
And even if I have to die in the future because what I stand for I will die SMILING.