Will you die for your God?
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
i'm not neutral. =)
i'm just... more pleasant. lol. kidding
Lawl!
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
There is still the freedom of individual to look into. The individual can choose to stand up against rape and slavery, just like some satanists can choose to sacrifice babies/animals against the laws today. The freedom of the individuals will be judged by the the freedom of the majority, though.
Personally, I think rape and slavery is wrong. But that is only because I am brought up in present societies. I think if I am brought up in the past, I will side with the moral of the majority, thinking rape and slavery is not wrong.
By the way, even the christians in the past do not think rape and slavery is wrong. There was an incident in the bible, where the Benjamites commited evil, and the other tribes went to war against the Benjamite tribe. They also wiped up the tribe of Benjamin. Lately, they relent their actions, and get the men in Benjamite to grab for themselves the girls in the tribe of Jabesh Gilead, and took them forcefully as wives. That is how the tribe of Benjamin survived, by taking themselves forcefully girls from Jabesh Gilead.(Judges 21 NIV)
That is mass rape, condoned by the bible.
In the old testament, slavery is actually condoned. Abraham had slaves, many slaves and yet God called him the father of faith. There are laws in the bible for slaves. (Exodus 21 NIV)
That is slavery here, condoned by the bible.
Yet, today, christians do not condone slavery nor mass rape. Therefore, there is no absolute right and wrong. Not even for the christians. The bible supports slavery in the past, but do not do so now. The bible condones mass rape in the past but do not do so now.
Satanists definitely do not believe in absolute right and wrong. Right and wrong is the freedom of the individual to decide.
so, whether something is right or wrong is the freedom of the individual to decide, but yet, whether something is right or wrong is decided by the majority, and not the individual?
so which is it? you certainly can't have both
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
I wonder if you will be willing to die as a matyr for your God if the situation calls for it?
Will you still be a christian if christianity is outlawed in Singapore?
If you answered YES to both the questions above, why will you put your belief in Christ over the laws of Singapore? Why will you NOT put your own life over that of your religion?
I thought that your own life should be more important than your religion. I thought that the laws of Singapore should be more important than your religion.
Are you not being a little too zealous in your religion?
No, I'm not willing to die as a MATYR for GOD because I know my GOD loves me and keep me alive everyday and safe from harm. If anyone has to die as a MATYR, then I can advise them that does not comes from GOD. That is because GOD will NEVER ask you to take away your own lives that GOD has given it to you. Dying would be disobeying GOD and your parents and all your loved ones.Yes, I will FOREVER be a Christian and SEEK, WORSHIP GOD regardless of the world.
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Originally posted by gLc:
Yea, my mistake. Should be bias.Yup u admitted ur mistake so case closed. if u go on ranting, aren't u contradicting urself about christians who goes on ranting?
and remember one thing, u were the one who calls me shallow & typical people in the first place over my opinion which everyone is entitled in this forum like u said. i did not start this.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Yup u admitted ur mistake so case closed. if u go on ranting, aren't u contradicting urself about christians who goes on ranting?
and remember one thing, u were the one who calls me shallow & typical people in the first place over my opinion which everyone is entitled in this forum like u said. i did not start this.
You win lah huh.
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Originally posted by gLc:
Well, different people have different opinions and beliefs.Whats right and wrong, is up to each person to decide.
choosing right and wrong, is up to each one of us to decide, that goes without saying, but the real question is. how do we define what is right or wrong.
is there a universal standard, or, as Sgal says, a majority's ruling? (She also said that it's individual's decision. so i'm waiting for her to make up her mind about it)
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Originally posted by parn:
No, I'm not willing to die as a MATYR for GOD because I know my GOD loves me and keep me alive everyday and safe from harm. If anyone has to die as a MATYR, then I can advise them that does not comes from GOD. That is because GOD will NEVER ask you to take away your own lives that GOD has given it to you. Dying would be disobeying GOD and your parents and all your loved ones.Yes, I will FOREVER be a Christian and SEEK, WORSHIP GOD regardless of the world.
well.. matyrdom is usually forced onto the believer. of course if can escape, please escape. but usually matyrdom, is when someone points a gun at your face and tells you that you will live if you denounce your faith in Christ.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
so, whether something is right or wrong is the freedom of the individual to decide, but yet, whether something is right or wrong is decided by the majority, and not the individual?
so which is it? you certainly can't have both
I think whether something is right or wrong is decided by the majority.
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Originally posted by gLc:
You win lah huh.
its not about who winning or losing lah. this is a forum. im making my point towards u jus like how i made my point earlier in this forum. i never said i was right, jus making my point. and im not against you or something, dun be mistaken. -
Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Lawl!
lol so offended. =(
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
To be honest, many satanists do not believe in forgiveness of one's enemies. If a person chooses to be an idiot, he deserved to be treated badly. But you don't go and break the laws by murdering him.
For me, I believe in forgiveness. It is just my personal value.
wow...if u believe in forgiveness, it sounds really weird if u were a satanist. but i do understand the point dat u just really hate some people in ur life till u find it impossible to forgive them. still i would jus avoid them instead of wishing them death.
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I will be answering your questions some other times. Logging off now. Have to work, cannot spend too much time on the internet.
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
I think whether something is right or wrong is decided by the majority.
but you felt that forced slavery, and rape, which was decided by the majority is wrong.
right?
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
There is still the freedom of individual to look into. The individual can choose to stand up against rape and slavery, just like some satanists can choose to sacrifice babies/animals against the laws today. The freedom of the individuals will be judged by the the freedom of the majority, though.
Personally, I think rape and slavery is wrong. But that is only because I am brought up in present societies. I think if I am brought up in the past, I will side with the moral of the majority, thinking rape and slavery is not wrong.
By the way, even the christians in the past do not think rape and slavery is wrong. There was an incident in the bible, where the Benjamites commited evil, and the other tribes went to war against the Benjamite tribe. They also wiped up the tribe of Benjamin. Lately, they relent their actions, and get the men in Benjamite to grab for themselves the girls in the tribe of Jabesh Gilead, and took them forcefully as wives. That is how the tribe of Benjamin survived, by taking themselves forcefully girls from Jabesh Gilead.(Judges 21 NIV)
That is mass rape, condoned by the bible.
In the old testament, slavery is actually condoned. Abraham had slaves, many slaves and yet God called him the father of faith. There are laws in the bible for slaves. (Exodus 21 NIV)
That is slavery here, condoned by the bible.
Yet, today, christians do not condone slavery nor mass rape. Therefore, there is no absolute right and wrong. Not even for the christians. The bible supports slavery in the past, but do not do so now. The bible condones mass rape in the past but do not do so now.
Satanists definitely do not believe in absolute right and wrong. Right and wrong is the freedom of the individual to decide.
contextual reading is important....
Exodus 21.... http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html... slaves in biblical times take a different light from what you may know as slavery.
Judges 21.... the bible RECORDS the events that happened. it does not mean that acts of evil are condoned..... not everything recorded in the Bible is a teaching, many stories are just records of events.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
lol so offended. =(
Awww <3
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
contextual reading is important....
Exodus 21.... http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html... slaves in biblical times take a different light from what you may know as slavery.
Judges 21.... the bible RECORDS the events that happened. it does not mean that acts of evil are condoned..... not everything recorded in the Bible is a teaching, many stories are just records of events.
thanks uncle =)
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Originally posted by gLc:
You win lah huh.wah so petty meh =(
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
that's great.
hmm, with regards to evidences, do you believe that the bible is historically accurate, don't need to say the entire one la, just make it simpler. the new testament
No, I do not believe the new testament to be historically accurate.
So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. (Matthew 27:5)
(With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out...) (Acts 1:18)
Of course people create their own theories why this contradiction exists. But i believe a "holy" book written by people with holy guidance should not have such internal contradictions.
Furthermore, the powers of Jesus comes into question. Nowhere elese aside from the bible stated his godly attributes, no credible records of his existence was found and many other pagan religions had similar dieties. Thus the chance of him being fake is higher than him being real. -
Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
No, I do not believe the new testament to be historically accurate.
So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. (Matthew 27:5)
(With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out...) (Acts 1:18)
Of course people create their own theories why this contradiction exists. But i believe a "holy" book written by people with holy guidance should not have such internal contradictions.
Furthermore, the powers of Jesus comes into question. Nowhere elese aside from the bible stated his godly attributes, no credible records of his existence was found and many other pagan religions had similar dieties. Thus the chance of him being fake is higher than him being real.if there is a quest to know the truth, would you be open to investigate with an open mind?
If you are, I believe these should help:
http://www.carm.org/christianity/bible/non-biblical-accounts-new-testament-events-andor-people
http://www.carm.org/christianity/bible/can-we-trust-new-testament-historical-document
I do not have all the answers of course. But i'd be glad to share whatever I do understand =)
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Originally posted by dumbdumb
if there is a quest to know the truth, would you be open to investigate with an open mind?
Hi Dumbdumb, i like to also ask u if u are prepared to accept with an open mind, if i can show u that there are many factual errors in the NT? i can show u many factual errors in the NT, to begin i will just quote one such factual errors.
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed. Revelation 7:4-8 NASB
Can u spot the factual errors? (Highlighted in blue) u may wish to ask your CGL or pastor, for clarification.
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Originally posted by Creation1656:
Hi Dumbdumb, i like to also ask u if u are prepared to accept with an open mind, if i can show u that there are many factual errors in the NT? i can show u many factual errors in the NT, to begin i will just quote one such factual errors.
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed. Revelation 7:4-8 NASB
Can u spot the factual errors? (Highlighted in blue) u may wish to ask your CGL or pastor, for clarification.
hmm i don't understand what you're pointing out
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I think this thread has gone way off topic......
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Originally posted by dumbdumb:
hmm i don't understand what you're pointing out
The sons born to Joseph in Egypt are Ephraim & Manasseh.
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Originally posted by Creation1656:
The sons born to Joseph in Egypt are Ephraim & Manasseh.
oo, interesting. well i do not know really. but i'll find out, then get back to you? =)
meanwhile, i found a link, which explains it, maybe u can take a look? =)
Another take I have, imho, is this, when someone ask, is Jesus the Son of God, like.. as in.. how it is in the natural world, I'm the son of my dad etc. but for Jesus' case, it's abit more than that
"son of", is also translated or interpreted to "in the order of", like.. part of the family of Israel, or Jacob for that matter. the order of priest, the order of prophets.. etc.
meanwhile, this is the best answer i can come to understand and deliver. unless i have some divine revelation to understand. or when the event has come to past. =)
what do you think?
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
but you felt that forced slavery, and rape, which was decided by the majority is wrong.
right?
Only because I live in the present era. If I live in the past era where it is the right thing to do, I will follow with the freedom of the majority.