Will you die for your God?
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Originally posted by gLc:
sikoyo, I think your arguments are very very shallow, based on your discussions which are more inclined towards christianity, which are not in a neutral point of view.
My arguements stands on the side of christianity. This is not considered "shallow". Pls brush up on ur vocab.
If ur arguements are against christianity, can i call u "shallow" too?
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
I do not want or intend to be a princess in hell. I am happy with the current guidance I receive from him. I do think it is neccessary to break the ten commandments of the bible to be a Satanist. Some Satan followers do break the ten commandments in their desires to follow him. That is their freedom. For me, I see Satan more as a friend who guides me through life, rather than someone who requires me to sacrifice children or animals for him. Satan advocates freedom in the highest sense, so he will not expect all his followers to break the commandments. He knows that some of his followers will prefer to be law-abiding citizens with the knowledge of good and evil he had given them. I may yet... be a princess in hell. Princess over the domain of being law-abiding.
Which 10 commandments will u break? as in ur other thread, u do not considered urself to be evil so im very curious.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
so basically you are saying that there is no absolute right and wrong, but it depends on the majority. if majority says smth is right, it should be right, if majority says smth is wrong, it is wrong.
am i understanding you correctly? =)
You can say that.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Which 10 commandments will u break? as in ur other thread, u do not considered urself to be evil so im very curious.
Just the one that say, thou shalt worship God alone.
I do not have to break the ten commandments to be a Satanist.
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
You can say that.
how about slavery, there was a time when the majority thought it was right to enslave a race to pick cotton and plant poppy. is that right or wrong?
or about rape, there was a time when the majority thought it was right to rape, abuse and kill the women of the country they invaded. is that right or wrong?
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
My arguements stands on the side of christianity. This is not considered "shallow". Pls brush up on ur vocab.
If ur arguements are against christianity, can i call u "shallow" too?
Shallow because you only look from one side of things. Well, im entitled to my opinion and you are to yours.Typical people.
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
I believe right and wrong is defined by the indiviudal himself/herself. There is no absolute right or wrong. Everything, including the value or right and wrong, is set up for the sake of self-interest.
The law is there because it protects people. For the sake of the safety of the majority, the law is invented. Therefore, the law is the freedom of the majority.
On the individual level, there is no absolute right or wrong. Some satanists may choose to sacrifice animals/babies to worship Satan. Others, like myself, prefer to be law-abiding citizens. The individual level of freedom knows no boundary. However, the freedom of majority will be there to judge the freedom of the individual. That is why Satanists that sacrifice babies/animals inventually have to go to jail/be hanged for their deeds. They may do what is right in their eyes on an individual level, but they do what is wrong on their eyes on the majority level of freedom.
Satanists decide right or wrong, therefore by self- interest. Law is set up to protect the self-intererst of the majority.
So can i say if u dislike a person becos he sucks in attitude, character & looks, it's ok to murder him? But murder itself its wrong regardless of the reason isn't it? as a law-biding citizen...then it is right to kill people who deserves it?
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Originally posted by gLc:
Shallow because you only look from one side of things. Well, im entitled to my opinion and you are to yours.Typical people.
i agree with sikoyo.
the word shallow is wrongly used. i believe the word is "bias", not shallow. =)
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Originally posted by gLc:
Shallow because you only look from one side of things. Well, im entitled to my opinion and you are to yours.Typical people.
"Typical people" - pot calling kettle black?so can i call all people in this forum "shallow" becos u said anyone who argues with his side of things is shallow.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
hmm.. he's a christian, and this is a christian forum. lol so i guess it's acceptable that he speaks from a christian pov. of course, we should remain open minded to listen, then speak from our pov
Being open minded is a good thing. But I cant stand Christians who shut their ears off from others POV and go on ranting.Kinda stupid, dont you think.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
i agree with sikoyo.
the word shallow is wrongly used. i believe the word is "bias", not shallow. =)
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
"Typical people" - pot calling kettle black?so can i call all people in this forum "shallow" becos u said anyone who argues with his side of things is shallow.
Did I say that?Or do you not have anything better to come up to argue with that you have to put words in my mouth. Really amusing.
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
Just the one that say, thou shalt worship God alone.
I do not have to break the ten commandments to be a Satanist.
but even if u break the 1st commandment, u r nowhere a satanist. even christians breaks 1 or 2 commandments now & then. my point is we r all sinners & at the end of the day, we shld know our roots. jus ask for forgiveness will do, dun make it so complicated like, "oh im breaking 1 of the 10 commandments, i shall burn in hell as an eternal punishment from God so i rather convert to be a satanist now".
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Originally posted by gLc:
Being open minded is a good thing. But I cant stand Christians who shut their ears off from others POV and go on ranting.Kinda stupid, dont you think.
hmm. his motive is to defend his faith, it isn't wrong.
my motive is to share my faith, which isn't wrong either.
so it all boils down to the motive, tempered by patience. don't worry about it.
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Originally posted by gLc:
Did I say that?Or do you not have anything better to come up to argue with that you have to put words in my mouth. Really amusing.
well...u were the one dat said arguing with their own side of things is shallow
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Yes I agree.
When a person says he believes something, it is limited by his knowledge, and might not be the truth.
I tend to be more open now, so the chances of me being deluded is reduced, albeit it still remains.
I will only believe something if it has presented enough evidence for me to believe in it, regardless of whether im deluded or not. If not, my life would be meaningless, as I would not even know whether my existence is real or not. -
Originally posted by gLc:
Being open minded is a good thing. But I cant stand Christians who shut their ears off from others POV and go on ranting.Kinda stupid, dont you think.
Your entire paragraph is correct except u shld replace the word christians with "the proud"
it doesn't applies to christians only unless u r biased. haha...
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
hmm. his motive is to defend his faith, it isn't wrong.
my motive is to share my faith, which isn't wrong either.
so it all boils down to the motive, tempered by patience. don't worry about it.
Its okay, I get your point.Im not going to degrade myself by starting a war with a blind follower of Christianity.
dumbdumb, though your a Christian, I respect you cause you look at things in a neutral pov.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
So can i say if u dislike a person becos he sucks in attitude, character & looks, it's ok to murder him? But murder itself its wrong regardless of the reason isn't it? as a law-biding citizen...then it is right to kill people who deserves it?
There is still the freedom of individual to look into. The individual can choose to stand up against rape and slavery, just like some satanists can choose to sacrifice babies/animals against the laws today. The freedom of the individuals will be judged by the the freedom of the majority, though.
Personally, I think rape and slavery is wrong. But that is only because I am brought up in present societies. I think if I am brought up in the past, I will side with the moral of the majority, thinking rape and slavery is not wrong.
By the way, even the christians in the past do not think rape and slavery is wrong. There was an incident in the bible, where the Benjamites commited evil, and the other tribes went to war against the Benjamite tribe. They also wiped up the tribe of Benjamin. Lately, they relent their actions, and get the men in Benjamite to grab for themselves the girls in the tribe of Jabesh Gilead, and took them forcefully as wives. That is how the tribe of Benjamin survived, by taking themselves forcefully girls from Jabesh Gilead.(Judges 21 NIV)
That is mass rape, condoned by the bible.
In the old testament, slavery is actually condoned. Abraham had slaves, many slaves and yet God called him the father of faith. There are laws in the bible for slaves. (Exodus 21 NIV)
That is slavery here, condoned by the bible.
Yet, today, christians do not condone slavery nor mass rape. Therefore, there is no absolute right and wrong. Not even for the christians. The bible supports slavery in the past, but do not do so now. The bible condones mass rape in the past but do not do so now.
Satanists definitely do not believe in absolute right and wrong. Right and wrong is the freedom of the individual to decide.
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everyone dies in the end...
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
Yes I agree.
When a person says he believes something, it is limited by his knowledge, and might not be the truth.
I tend to be more open now, so the chances of me being deluded is reduced, albeit it still remains.
I will only believe something if it has presented enough evidence for me to believe in it, regardless of whether im deluded or not. If not, my life would be meaningless, as I would not even know whether my existence is real or not.that's great.
hmm, with regards to evidences, do you believe that the bible is historically accurate, don't need to say the entire one la, just make it simpler. the new testament
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
So can i say if u dislike a person becos he sucks in attitude, character & looks, it's ok to murder him? But murder itself its wrong regardless of the reason isn't it? as a law-biding citizen...then it is right to kill people who deserves it?
To be honest, many satanists do not believe in forgiveness of one's enemies. If a person chooses to be an idiot, he deserved to be treated badly. But you don't go and break the laws by murdering him.
For me, I believe in forgiveness. It is just my personal value.
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Originally posted by gLc:
Its okay, I get your point.Im not going to degrade myself by starting a war with a blind follower of Christianity.
dumbdumb, though your a Christian, I respect you cause you look at things in a neutral pov.
i'm not neutral. =)
i'm just... more pleasant. lol. kidding
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
i'm not neutral. =)
i'm just... more pleasant. lol. kidding
Well, different people have different opinions and beliefs.Whats right and wrong, is up to each person to decide.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
but even if u break the 1st commandment, u r nowhere a satanist. even christians breaks 1 or 2 commandments now & then. my point is we r all sinners & at the end of the day, we shld know our roots. jus ask for forgiveness will do, dun make it so complicated like, "oh im breaking 1 of the 10 commandments, i shall burn in hell as an eternal punishment from God so i rather convert to be a satanist now".
I am a satanist not because I break the first commandment, but because I pray to Satan at night, and actually sing hymns to him.
I convert to Satanism not because I think I am going to hell, but because I think Satan is good to me.