Will you die for your God?
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Isn't religion just a mental guidance and support? =|
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Isn't religion just a mental guidance and support? =|
No, to those that believe, it is the only and absolute truth, for non-believers, it just eases the confused mind. -
I think this title is sorta stupid tbh.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
aei its u again eh...haha. pls lah stop ur nonsense...u r not anti-christ. unless u hav been praying to the devil every night "our father in hell, unholy be ur name etc..." and drinking human blood...then u r absolutely anti-christ.
go back to church lah u. continue ur faith lah, dun give up.
Sikoyo+, i find your arguements to be shallow, in this thread. One who is wiser would understand things differently.
This quote is just for example.
Do you know what he means by anti-christ? His meaning is that he does not like christ, and thinks christ might have a negative influence on others.
One does not have to pray to the devil to be anti-christ.
I am an example as I am anti-christ, yet i do not drink human blood.
I recognise s.gal83's worship of satan is not detrimental to the society nor herself, however, i do think satanism is incorrect, just like christianity. There are many types of satanists, some of them do things detrimental to society, just like some christians. (harrasment evangelism, fraud, etc)
See people as individuals. Being a satanist does not mean she is a bad person. I do admit i have misjudged some christians because of stereotyping. Therefore I am careful about judging people now. S.gal83 is a good person. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
As I said before, christians believe that even non-believers are insulting to their deity.mind elaborating?
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I have to disagree with herzog in this case. some christians are more open minded.
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God or no god... Often, people always say what they'll do for him / her / this / and that.... Only ending up to find excuses for themselves... Wanting only expectations in return....
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
Sikoyo+, i find your arguements to be shallow, in this thread. One who is wiser would understand things differently.
This quote is just for example.
Do you know what he means by anti-christ? His meaning is that he does not like christ, and thinks christ might have a negative influence on others.
One does not have to pray to the devil to be anti-christ.
I am an example as I am anti-christ, yet i do not drink human blood.
I recognise s.gal83's worship of satan is not detrimental to the society nor herself, however, i do think satanism is incorrect, just like christianity. There are many types of satanists, some of them do things detrimental to society, just like some christians. (harrasment evangelism, fraud, etc)
See people as individuals. Being a satanist does not mean she is a bad person. I do admit i have misjudged some christians because of stereotyping. Therefore I am careful about judging people now. S.gal83 is a good person.93'guy is a friend of mine in this forum...any problem? shallow arguements? haha. im sure u are so dead serious even with friends.
anti-christ is a strong word. i have to disagree with u. in 93'guy's case, i dun think he meant anti-christ, he dislikes christianity for some reason...etc maybe God hasn't answer his prayers or protected his loved ones & probably the only word close enough to his thoughts is "anti-christ". he's probably a neutral in this aspect. anti-christ means directly opposing God. i.e one cannot obey his commandments & prefer to do the opposite. and by doing the opposite, he has already fallen into the devil's trap by going against God's commandments. although one can say "i do not worship the devil" but indirectly he has already done so. ok..disregard the drinking blood portion as it was a cold joke.If being satanist isn't being a bad person, then he/she will be opposing the devil himself. contradicting...as one will be neither here nor there.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
hmm. here's a christian perspective.. you're either on God's side or you're not. you don't have to specifically pray to satan to be on his side. you can be an atheist, and you're also on his camp.
it's a rather clear cut line.
I'm all for God...are u?
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
I'm all for God...are u?
i'm a christian, are you?
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
i'm a christian, are you?
Absolutely...& its disheartening to see there are so many who doesn't believe in the existence of God & some r even anti-christ.
It's like saying "Oh...l left home becos i can't trust my freaking old & naggy father anymore & i go join some gang & call the gang-leader my god-father becos he takes care of us...but in the interim, asks us to collect protection money, beat up some poor fellow who owes my damn god-father money & calls my gang HQ "my home". ridiculars...
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sikoyo, I think your arguments are very very shallow, based on your discussions which are more inclined towards christianity, which are not in a neutral point of view.
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Originally posted by gLc:
sikoyo, I think your arguments are very very shallow, based on your discussions which are more inclined towards christianity, which are not in a neutral point of view.
hmm.. he's a christian, and this is a christian forum. lol so i guess it's acceptable that he speaks from a christian pov. of course, we should remain open minded to listen, then speak from our pov
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
To be able to see a devil in physical form means u hav passed the first test of loyalty. Congrats silly..u r helpess now. Your soul belongs to satan. and dun even think he will grant you a rank of princess in hell. he has so many worshippers in the world. probably those who directly opposed the ten commandments will hav his favour.
I do not want or intend to be a princess in hell. I am happy with the current guidance I receive from him. I do think it is neccessary to break the ten commandments of the bible to be a Satanist. Some Satan followers do break the ten commandments in their desires to follow him. That is their freedom. For me, I see Satan more as a friend who guides me through life, rather than someone who requires me to sacrifice children or animals for him. Satan advocates freedom in the highest sense, so he will not expect all his followers to break the commandments. He knows that some of his followers will prefer to be law-abiding citizens with the knowledge of good and evil he had given them. I may yet... be a princess in hell. Princess over the domain of being law-abiding.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Absolutely...& its disheartening to see there are so many who doesn't believe in the existence of God & some r even anti-christ.
It's like saying "Oh...l left home becos i can't trust my freaking old & naggy father anymore & i go join some gang & call the gang-leader my god-father becos he takes care of us...but in the interim, asks us to collect protection money, beat up some poor fellow who owes my damn god-father money & calls my gang HQ "my home". ridiculars...
well... to be fair.. it isn't their fault.
i've left church because of hurts too. hurts can blind ppl. besides. the bible says that the god of this world has blinded us from the truth. so it's never a physical fault, but a spiritual one.
but God loves them all the same, and we should too. Help to strengthen the weak, affirm the ashamed, bind the wounded, heal the sick, provide for the poor.
When sinners saw Jesus, their reaction isn't to run from him, but instead, they ran towards him. They saw something in Him which stood out from other religious leaders. They didn't feel ashamed of themselves, but instead they were comforted, they were willing to step away from their lives of wrong and follow Him.
Religion condemns those who do wrong, they point fingers, show them a black and white paper. Jesus compels, draws, and receives those who came to him.
I think that's what we should do too. =)
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
So it's all private worshipping without any roots then. As i mentioned in your other thread "satanic coven", you dun even know wat is true satanic worshipping & u want to challenge christians. joke...Have u even attended a black mass b4? or do u even know wat it is??
I am not out to challenge christians. In fact, I have many christian friends from real life. I see no point in challenging christians.
I am merely interested in seeing things from the christian point of view.
There is no TRUE Satanic worshipping. Satanism is a very diverse religion, with many different individual practises. Satan advocates freedom and so his followers are free to worship him in whatever way they want.
I know what a black mass is, although I had not attended it.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
So it's all private worshipping without any roots then. As i mentioned in your other thread "satanic coven", you dun even know wat is true satanic worshipping & u want to challenge christians. joke...Have u even attended a black mass b4? or do u even know wat it is??
I am not out to challenge christians. In fact, I have many christian friends from real life. I see no point in challenging christians.
I am merely interested in seeing things from the christian point of view.
There is no TRUE Satanic worshipping. Satanism is a very diverse religion, with many different individual practises. Satan advocates freedom and so his followers are free to worship him in whatever way they want.
I know what a black mass is, although I had not attended it.
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
I do not want or intend to be a princess in hell. I am happy with the current guidance I receive from him. I do think it is neccessary to break the ten commandments of the bible to be a Satanist. Some Satan followers do break the ten commandments in their desires to follow him. That is their freedom. For me, I see Satan more as a friend who guides me through life, rather than someone who requires me to sacrifice children or animals for him. Satan advocates freedom in the highest sense, so he will not expect all his followers to break the commandments. He knows that some of his followers will prefer to be law-abiding citizens with the knowledge of good and evil he had given them. I may yet... be a princess in hell. Princess over the domain of being law-abiding.
so you believe that there's no absolute right and wrong? i believe that is what satanism teaches right? something about no right and wrong, what's most important is living for the moment smth like that?
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Zzzz this is preaching grounds -.-
Those who believe in Jesus, continue to do so.
Those who believe in Satan, continue to do so.
Those who are anti-christ or w/e, continue to do so.
If she aint "recruiting" u to join her religion, i dun see a point of u doing so to keep telling her "hey u are dead, u ish princess of hell" .. If wat she is doing now is bad, karma will come after her. Simple as that.
U quoting about old naggy father and the gang leader stuff? Isnt this the same as u praising your religion telling her "hey u join the wrong side" .. While she saying "hey i just got abit of problems with your god" ..
Ok i am not a christian but hey i love listening to stories regarding this religion .. And i just attended a church wedding not long ago its wonderful.
As for Satan i also do listen to "myths & legends" of it .. In fact, i got a friend who is interested in Satan and he bought this book call the Black bible? Not sure bout the name tho.
In this earth, u need to have balance of stuff.. Black and white .. Hot and cold .. Wet and dry and the list goes on and on.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
so you believe that there's no absolute right and wrong? i believe that is what satanism teaches right? something about no right and wrong, what's most important is living for the moment smth like that?
lol, having no absolute right and wrong is a concept i came up with myself after analysing certain incidents which happened during my life, then thinking deeply for some time. (of course many others thought of it long before i did).
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
so you believe that there's no absolute right and wrong? i believe that is what satanism teaches right? something about no right and wrong, what's most important is living for the moment smth like that?
I believe right and wrong is defined by the indiviudal himself/herself. There is no absolute right or wrong. Everything, including the value or right and wrong, is set up for the sake of self-interest.
The law is there because it protects people. For the sake of the safety of the majority, the law is invented. Therefore, the law is the freedom of the majority.
On the individual level, there is no absolute right or wrong. Some satanists may choose to sacrifice animals/babies to worship Satan. Others, like myself, prefer to be law-abiding citizens. The individual level of freedom knows no boundary. However, the freedom of majority will be there to judge the freedom of the individual. That is why Satanists that sacrifice babies/animals inventually have to go to jail/be hanged for their deeds. They may do what is right in their eyes on an individual level, but they do what is wrong on their eyes on the majority level of freedom.
Satanists decide right or wrong, therefore by self- interest. Law is set up to protect the self-intererst of the majority.
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
lol, having no absolute right and wrong is a concept i came up with myself after analysing certain incidents which happened during my life, then thinking deeply for some time. (of course many others thought of it long before i did).
Whats most important to me is that i contribute to society for the advancement of humankind.haha, are you absolutely sure that there are no absolutes?
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Im not sure, but with my limited knowledge, this is the conclusion i came to.
"No one can be absolutely sure of anything, due to the fact that we may be deluded by our senses" - David Hume -
Originally posted by S.gal83:
I believe right and wrong is defined by the indiviudal himself/herself. There is no absolute right or wrong. Everything, including the value or right and wrong, is set up for the sake of self-interest.
The law is there because it protects people. For the sake of the safety of the majority, the law is invented. Therefore, the law is the freedom of the majority.
On the individual level, there is no absolute right or wrong. Some satanists may choose to sacrifice animals/babies to worship Satan. Others, like myself, prefer to be law-abiding citizens. The individual level of freedom knows no boundary. However, the freedom of majority will be there to judge the freedom of the individual. That is why Satanists that sacrifice babies/animals inventually have to go to jail/be hanged for their deeds. They may do what is right in their eyes on an individual level, but they do what is wrong on their eyes on the majority level of freedom.
Satanists decide right or wrong, therefore by self- interest. Law is set up to protect the self-intererst of the majority.
so basically you are saying that there is no absolute right and wrong, but it depends on the majority. if majority says smth is right, it should be right, if majority says smth is wrong, it is wrong.
am i understanding you correctly? =)
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
Im not sure, but with my limited knowledge, this is the conclusion i came to.
"No one can be absolutely sure of anything, due to the fact that we may be deluded by our senses" - David Humewell, you said that there are no absolutes about it, you're either absolutely sure or you're not.
since you're not sure that there are no absolute right and wrong, means there's a chance that you might be wrong about what you believe about that there is no absolute right and wrong, would u agree?