Equality Before God
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Dun be so cock sure of yourself. Hav u been around the world to ask every human being?Why would I want to do that? God, if HE exists and is sending people to hell, is indecent and cannot even do the decent thing and that is, have the courtesy to warn people himself in an unambiguos manner that they risk going to hell for eternity.
If HE exists, why the hell can't he stop hiding like an insect under a rock?
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Originally posted by Omnia:
For those who refuse to believe, God can appear in all his glory before the person, whack him on the head and (to borrow an army phrase) ask him to 'wake-up his idea' before it is too late; and the person will still refuse to believe. He will probably attribute the whole episode to a hallucination, a dream or something. Your second statement shows it ...
Really? How do you know that? You are GOD?
Considering how many delusionals there are that are willing to believe based on no good evidence, how did you come to that conclusion?
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were you once a christian, andrew?
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
were you once a christian, andrew?
...and a Buddhist and a Hindu....
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Originally posted by Omnia:
Brought over from another thread.
My view is that equality before God means that when we stand before God in judgement after we die to determine whether we go to heaven or hell for all eternity, he will judge us according to our faith and how we lived our lives, ie: our good works and our unrepented sins. It does not matter whether we are rich or poor, strong or weak, Singaporean or Malaysian, Chinese or Eurasian.
Equality does not mean that we will all be equally prosperous etc in this temporal life.
And why do you say that God helped the Israelites but not the Egyptians or the Babylonians ?
Well how do you know? If god favours one race over another when you're alive, what makes you so sure it won't happen when you die?
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Originally posted by dadeadman1337:
Well how do you know? If god favours one race over another when you're alive, what makes you so sure it won't happen when you die?
...just to add to yoru observations.... if God is in hiding while you are alive, what makes you so sure HE won't be in hiding like an insect under a rcok after you are dead?
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why god cannot be equal to me? not fair. I want equality.
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Originally posted by jgho83:
why god cannot be equal to me? not fair. I want equality.
personally imo
when we are born, we come with nothing, when we die, we lose everything. we are all sinners, so all deserved to be condemned.
in that aspect, we're all the same i guess
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Why would I want to do that? God, if HE exists and is sending people to hell, is indecent and cannot even do the decent thing and that is, have the courtesy to warn people himself in an unambiguos manner that they risk going to hell for eternity.
If HE exists, why the hell can't he stop hiding like an insect under a rock?
hmm. because if He appears again, it would mean it's the end.
and i guess He's waiting for another one to come to Him because He don't want to lose that fellow for eternity.
meanwhile, we experience Him in little interpersonal ways
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Originally posted by jgho83:
why god cannot be equal to me? not fair. I want equality.
When i re-read, i think i sounded like i have monkey-god's mentality!!!
Qi Tian Da Shen Sun Wu Kong!
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Really? How do you know that? You are GOD?
Considering how many delusionals there are that are willing to believe based on no good evidence, how did you come to that conclusion?
I came to this conclusion because you were griping about how God doesn't "warn people HIMSELF to each and everyone individually" and yet you dismiss anyone who said he has met God as being delusional, requiring an IMH visit.
I agree that there are many folks who are delusional but there are also those who might have had true encounters with God. But based on your belief that God does not exist, you would dismiss all as delusions.
What good evidence do you want ? There's no need to tell us. Whatever it is, I pray that God will give you your evidence one day and that you will open your heart to him. Just try not to be too stubborn or pig-headed if and when that day comes.
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Originally posted by dadeadman1337:
Well how do you know? If god favours one race over another when you're alive, what makes you so sure it won't happen when you die?
What makes you think that God favours one race over another in this life ? How has he done so ?
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Originally posted by Omnia:
What makes you think that God favours one race over another in this life ? How has he done so ?
i agree. God allows the sun to shine on good and evil men alike. He allows the rain to fall on good and evil alike.
Salvation is not exclusive to the jews, but available to all of us, gentiles.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
hmm. because if He appears again, it would mean it's the end.
and i guess He's waiting for another one to come to Him because He don't want to lose that fellow for eternity.
meanwhile, we experience Him in little interpersonal ways
"Appears Again"???!!! hahaha I tot HE is EVERYWHERE?
Excuses... excuses....
Either too indecent to show Himself even if it is to save humans from eternal hell that He is going to send them, or there are a bunch of delusionals, too weak minded to face reality and need a crutch to live.
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Originally posted by Omnia:
I came to this conclusion because you were griping about how God doesn't "warn people HIMSELF to each and everyone individually" and yet you dismiss anyone who said he has met God as being delusional, requiring an IMH visit.
I agree that there are many folks who are delusional but there are also those who might have had true encounters with God. But based on your belief that God does not exist, you would dismiss all as delusions.
What good evidence do you want ? There's no need to tell us. Whatever it is, I pray that God will give you your evidence one day and that you will open your heart to him. Just try not to be too stubborn or pig-headed if and when that day comes.
Right some folks.... hahahahaha, not you, I guess....
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
"Appears Again"???!!! hahaha I tot HE is EVERYWHERE?
Excuses... excuses....
Either too indecent to show Himself even if it is to save humans from eternal hell that He is going to send them, or there are a bunch of delusionals, too weak minded to face reality and need a crutch to live.
Hmm, just a question, do you agree that we are all free, totally uninfluenced by any spiritual entity or human influence, to make our own choices, and then living with the responsibility of the choices we make
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why are u so aggresive, andrew?
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
why are u so aggresive, andrew?
character flaw....
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
Hmm, just a question, do you agree that we are all free, totally uninfluenced by any spiritual entity or human influence, to make our own choices, and then living with the responsibility of the choices we make
...ah... free choice... sooner or later it crops up to explain why God is hiding like a cocroach under a rock.... but it does not explain why people are warned to behave and if people are warned, that, does not explain why God cannot come out of his hiding place to warn people....
But
Regarding "choice"; some schools of thought do not accept that humans have free will to make their choices.
For example, just as a shark cannot decide to live on land, man cannot choose to live in water naturally.
Man is constrained by the reality that is the limitation of his body. As far as living naturally under water is concerned, he does not have free will. If I can point out an instance where humans do not have free will but is constrained, that shows that to say humans have free will is rubbish.
Let's take sex for example. If man is non sexual or at least, reproduction does not entails strong urges and pleasure, there will be no sexual crimes. You will not read about men having sex with underage girls.
... but I guess for people that takes the easy way out... just believe, don't think, all this is too much to try to understand.
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we share similar beliefs.. but i think u're too mad to do anything constructive o.o
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Originally posted by Omnia:
What makes you think that God favours one race over another in this life ? How has he done so ?
Read the bible and first post. The bible says we are not in the garden of eden because of adam and eve's sins, so now its punishing the children for what their parents have done. In this perspective if u offend me can i kill your son? Its clearly supportive of the blood feuds in the past, the bible contradicts itself
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Originally posted by dadeadman1337:
Read the bible and first post. The bible says we are not in the garden of eden because of adam and eve's sins, so now its punishing the children for what their parents have done. In this perspective if u offend me can i kill your son? Its clearly supportive of the blood feuds in the past, the bible contradicts itself
...and dont forget those passages that says, "After you have conquered them, ....kill the men, the women, the children, the cattle and burn the crops...."
Genocide that does not even let the children and animals off......
Contradict is to put it mildly.
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Originally posted by dadeadman1337:
Read the bible and first post. The bible says we are not in the garden of eden because of adam and eve's sins, so now its punishing the children for what their parents have done. In this perspective if u offend me can i kill your son? Its clearly supportive of the blood feuds in the past, the bible contradicts itself
What does this have to do with God favouring one race over another ?!
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the bible constantly mentions jews being the chosen ppl, so christianity is following the bible why? church teaches peace yet bible mentions kill false prophets, aka everyone else. bible says god is forgiving, whrs our garden of eden.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
...ah... free choice... sooner or later it crops up to explain why God is hiding like a cocroach under a rock.... but it does not explain why people are warned to behave and if people are warned, that, does not explain why God cannot come out of his hiding place to warn people....
But
Regarding "choice"; some schools of thought do not accept that humans have free will to make their choices.
For example, just as a shark cannot decide to live on land, man cannot choose to live in water naturally.
Man is constrained by the reality that is the limitation of his body. As far as living naturally under water is concerned, he does not have free will. If I can point out an instance where humans do not have free will but is constrained, that shows that to say humans have free will is rubbish.
Let's take sex for example. If man is non sexual or at least, reproduction does not entails strong urges and pleasure, there will be no sexual crimes. You will not read about men having sex with underage girls.
... but I guess for people that takes the easy way out... just believe, don't think, all this is too much to try to understand.
you didn't answer the question. do you think that we are all free to make our choice, and live with the consequences of the choices we make?