Does God Exist??
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
oh please, i just googled "nobel prize winners who believe in god".
the first name amongst those winners was albert einstein =,= Well, he may believe in a god, but he certainly is against the god which goes by the name of Yahweh or Allah.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau, founder of modern deism was listed as well? wow, i wonder what that list is trying to do huh, misguide more people into religion i say. Someone born protestant, converted to Catholicism in his teens, but eventually turned deist.. why's he listed!!?
I have no problems with people who believe in god/gods which go with science, side by side, trying to answer what science cannot, and most probably never will be able to.
furthermore, those scientists may be nobel winners. but so what? does that make them more knowledgeable about whether a god exists or not?
eg: a person devotes his life to chemistry, makes astonishing discoveries about new elements or creates some wonderful synthetic material. This will guarantee him a nobel prize.
BUT lets say he's a theistic satanist. A theistic satanist believes satan as the true creator of man, advocates indulgence instead of abstinence, etc etc. Yet none of these beliefs and morals will ever contradict with his chemistry knowledge.
Studying evolution, natural selection and the universe's origin is the way to go if one wants to defraud the bible or koran.
I'm saying not all scientists are atheists. Christian scientists didn't renounce their religion after receiving a nobel prize. The number of Christian scientists, especially physics, who received Nobel prizes are remarkably high.
Why do you mention Jean-Jacques Rousseau? Was he a nobel laureate? Was he a Physicist?
Einstein was a Jew. Would you consider Einstein an atheist? Was he even an atheist? He believe in Spinoza's God.
Unlessl you can invent a scientific theory - have it named after you- that can debunk the bible, there will always be great Christian scientists. Science students will continue to learn from these Christian scientists, whether you like it or not.
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adam and eve are supposedly the 1st people of the earth.
meaning Jesus is one of their descendants.
and saying god is jesus's father means adam and eve are like in respect to family term, greater than him?
does that mean adam and eve are god or god's siblings or wadever shitnot?
it has become an affair of incest now
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Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:
adam and eve are supposedly the 1st people of the earth.
meaning Jesus is one of their descendants.
and saying god is jesus's father means adam and eve are like in respect to family term, greater than him?
does that mean adam and eve are god or god's siblings or wadever shitnot?
it has become an affair of incest now
adam and eve are the first humans on earth not the first people -
Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:
adam and eve are supposedly the 1st people of the earth.
meaning Jesus is one of their descendants.
and saying god is jesus's father means adam and eve are like in respect to family term, greater than him?
does that mean adam and eve are god or god's siblings or wadever shitnot?
it has become an affair of incest now
let me say this AGAIN
Incest is OKAY till the time of Moses...
its like last time selling Bubble gum is okay in singapore! but now its not
get the logic?
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Originally posted by youyayu:
let me say this AGAIN
Incest is OKAY till the time of Moses...
its like last time selling Bubble gum is okay in singapore! but now its not
get the logic?
u see arh
GOD created adam and eve
adam and eve reproduce until one one day mary comes out
mary got pregnant with god's child
doesnt that make it like god's weak for having a child with the descendants of his own creation?
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Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:
u see arh
GOD created adam and eve
adam and eve reproduce until one one day mary comes out
mary got pregnant with god's child
doesnt that make it like god's weak for having a child with the descendants of his own creation?
why not?
he is God right?
he want to mess around we also cannot do anything.. he is playing with his own creation..
just like pap going to put another ERP at your house carpark.. u can't do anything right?
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god cannot be god if he has family nor does he have gender
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Originally posted by youyayu:
why not?
he is God right?
he want to mess around we also cannot do anything.. he is playing with his own creation..
just like pap going to put another ERP at your house carpark.. u can't do anything right?
see god created adam out of wat?adam got dad arh?
so if he can create adam out of nothing(no papa mama) then he can make some1 be born without father
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God is just a light...-.- so he's not human...
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Originally posted by Afrasastrasz:
see god created adam out of wat?adam got dad arh?
so if he can create adam out of nothing(no papa mama) then he can make some1 be born without father
how i know.. u ask god maybe he give u an answer =.=
maybe he trying to prove something....
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apes......
where did apes come from then?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
I'm saying not all scientists are atheists. Christian scientists didn't renounce their religion after receiving a nobel prize. The number of Christian scientists, especially physics, who received Nobel prizes are remarkably high.
Why do you mention Jean-Jacques Rousseau? Was he a nobel laureate? Was he a Physicist?
Einstein was a Jew. Would you consider Einstein an atheist? Was he even an atheist? He believe in Spinoza's God.
Unlessl you can invent a scientific theory - have it named after you- that can debunk the bible, there will always be great Christian scientists. Science students will continue to learn from these Christian scientists, whether you like it or not.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau was a nobel laureate, but not a physicist.
Christian scientists in the PAST have found stuff which contradicted their religion, yet because of faith, and probably social influences, that they didn't renounce their religion
Einstein is a Jew by ethnicity not the religion. And Einstein is a deist (one who believes the world is made by a supreme being and left nature to develop it) , not an atheist.
Spinoza's god is a POSSIBLE god
Yahweh/Allah is an IMPOSSIBLE god
See the difference? I am not an atheist
Those christian scientists who first discovered about science contradicting their faith just made the building blocks of study into the world's origins. It is up to the modern scientists to, based on their findings, unveil the answer.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
I'm saying not all scientists are atheists. Christian scientists didn't renounce their religion after receiving a nobel prize. The number of Christian scientists, especially physics, who received Nobel prizes are remarkably high.
Why do you mention Jean-Jacques Rousseau? Was he a nobel laureate? Was he a Physicist?
Einstein was a Jew. Would you consider Einstein an atheist? Was he even an atheist? He believe in Spinoza's God.
Unlessl you can invent a scientific theory - have it named after you- that can debunk the bible, there will always be great Christian scientists. Science students will continue to learn from these Christian scientists, whether you like it or not.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau was a nobel laureate, but not a physicist.
Christian scientists in the PAST have found stuff which contradicted their religion, yet because of faith, and probably social influences, that they didn't renounce their religion
Einstein is a Jew by ethnicity not the religion. And Einstein is a deist (one who believes the world is made by a supreme being and left nature to develop it) , not an atheist.
Spinoza's god is a POSSIBLE god
Yahweh/Allah is an IMPOSSIBLE god
See the difference? I am not an atheist
Those christian scientists who first discovered about science contradicting their faith just made the building blocks of study into the world's origins. It is up to the modern scientists to, based on their findings, unveil the answer.
And please stop quoting from the bible or using their fictional characters in your arguments. The bible is written in such a way that whoever reads it will get a severe headache if that person truly reflects on what he reads.
There is no clear-cut distinct teaching in the bible. Words can be twisted.
Whatever you hear in church, in sermons, is merely the priests interpretation of the bible.
And whatever u hear in South Korea's churches are mere interpretations of the bible by Lee Myung-Bak. (He tells you to pray for buddhist temple's destructions)
And if i want to, i can even write my own interpretation of the bible, and i'm positive it can brainwash thousands, maybe even millions worldwide
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My personal opinion: Religion is a sensitive issue as it has a long history and there are many believers in different religions.
Personally I do not fully believe in God. Also there are many Gods for different religions, that's why I feel each religion's God is an extension of a culture/race. That's why Christian Gods are "ang moh", Buddhist "gods" are chinese, etc. (correct me if there are exceptions?) Why isnt there a religion with Gods that embody all the races on Earth?
However, I do see that religion does do good for certain people. Eg, Christianity is now a popular religion. There are non-believers who convert during times of calling or crisis periods where Christian frenz provide a good social support network. I've also thought about joining Christianity at one point in time as I've a few frenz who are devout christians, who also convert during school days. I think the social network and support that christian groups display show a very strong and warm community. I've even visited a church session before. However, something told me that I can't join and pretend to believe in God if I seriously do not believe it from the bottom of my heart. No doubt I may enjoy the social network, but I can't envisage myself talking about a religion or God or the Bible which I do not connect with and do not believe with. There are too many questions than answers for me.
At the end of the day, it's a personal choice for religion. You must know what you want and be true to yourself. You may deceive others into thinking you do truly believe in God, but you yourself will know deep down in your heart if you really do believe.
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religion divides...
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Originally posted by youyayu:
how i know.. u ask god maybe he give u an answer =.=
maybe he trying to prove something....
he tell me already
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got god or not depends on what you want to believe.
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btw if u look at quran it can also explain things supported by science.
it has chapters about earthquakes,spiders,lightning,metal,stars and so on....
so if u say it is copied from bible,
how does prophet muhammad know about
black holes
and go to national geographic .com|universe|photos
and u will see photos star evolution and it is explained in quran
'and when the heavens are red asunder'
how did muhammad know about stars and how did he managed to establish a religion called islam in 22 years?
he got his first revelation from god at age 40
and y does it stand for 1400 years
some orphan from arabia which not even romans or other great empires of that time cared to invade?
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
Jean-Jacques Rousseau was a nobel laureate, but not a physicist.
Christian scientists in the PAST have found stuff which contradicted their religion, yet because of faith, and probably social influences, that they didn't renounce their religion
Einstein is a Jew by ethnicity not the religion. And Einstein is a deist (one who believes the world is made by a supreme being and left nature to develop it) , not an atheist.
Spinoza's god is a POSSIBLE god
Yahweh/Allah is an IMPOSSIBLE god
See the difference? I am not an atheist
Those christian scientists who first discovered about science contradicting their faith just made the building blocks of study into the world's origins. It is up to the modern scientists to, based on their findings, unveil the answer.
How did religion contradicted with the discovery of Laws of the Universe by the Christian scientists? Which scientist/s are you referring to? Or is this your assumption?
Nobel Laureates in science were/are modern scientists in the last hundred years. Who has renounced his religion for science? None. Then you come up with another assumption that it's probably social influences.
Deism is the belief of a creator that created the universe. That's good enough for Christians. Many Christians have personal experiences with God. That increases their faith. It's understandable that not everyone will accept this because they have not had the experience. They want to see proof. That's asking for facts.
Which year did Jean-Jacques Rousseau received his nobel prize? I like to know.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
How did science contradicted with the discovery of Laws of the Universe by the Christian scientists?
Nobel Laureates in science were/are modern scientists in the last hundred years. Who has renounce his religion for science?
Deism is the belief of a creator that created the universe. That's good enough for Christians. Many Christians have personal experiences with God. That increases their faith. It's understandable that not everyone will accept this because they have not had the experience. They want to see proof. That's asking for facts.
Which year did Jean-Jacques Rousseau received his nobel prize? I like to know.
I have no idea what are the laws of the universe by christian scientists, google did not provide me an answer. But there are conflicts between science and christianity, we all know what they are, dun nid me type out.
Einstein believed in a deist god rather than his supposed jewish one, based on his ethnicity.
Its written in this page http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html but it did not state the year of any of them.
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
I have no idea what are the laws of the universe by christian scientists, google did not provide me an answer. But there are conflicts between science and christianity, we all know what they are, dun nid me type out.
Einstein believed in a deist god rather than his supposed jewish one, based on his ethnicity.
Its written in this page http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html but it did not state the year of any of them.
deism and jewism is the same since jews believe in one god and dont associate partners except theydont believe jesus and prophet muhammad.
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Originally posted by dAiyAm0nd0:
I have no idea what are the laws of the universe by christian scientists, google did not provide me an answer. But there are conflicts between science and christianity, we all know what they are, dun nid me type out.
Einstein believed in a deist god rather than his supposed jewish one, based on his ethnicity.
Its written in this page http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html but it did not state the year of any of them.
Oh, you did not study physics in school. You are not familiar with Newton, Boyle, faraday or Kepler. What a jerk!
You better explain the conflicts between science and Christianity or you will not be taken seriously.
BTW, what happened to my question on Jean-Jacques Rousseau? Realised the blunder you've made?
You don't even know when the first Nobel prize was awarded.
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erm Afrasastrasz is ur religion Islam?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Oh, you did not study physics in school. You are not familiar with Newton, Boyle, faraday or Kepler. What a jerk!
You better explain the conflicts between science and Christianity or you will not be taken seriously.
BTW, what happened to my question on Jean-Jacques Rousseau? Realised the blunder you've made?
You don't even know when the first Nobel prize was awarded.
Well, pardon me, for i was about to leave home for dinner. I did further research and i admit that i made a mistake about jean-jacques, yet i still hold true to my views that there is a contradiction between science and christ.
I did not take my secondary school education seriously, and yes i'm not very familiar with them. so what? I can still provide u the reasons.
Conflicts between science and christianity:
1) Leviticus 11:13-19 states: These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
when did bats become birds?
2)Leviticus 11:20-22 states: All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: ... Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket, or grasshopper.
locusts, katydids, crickets and grasshoppers DO have SIX legs.
3) ... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (Psalms 93:1) ... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30) He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (Psalms 104:5) Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon. (Joshua 10:12)
As we all know, all these statements are false.
I can go on and on, i shall stop here unless asked for more.
Now the point is, people in the past believed these to be true, yet has been proven to be false in this current age.
The christian community has been constantly changing it's views ever since the religion was born, due to facts contradicting the scriptures.
So what makes you think you are among a pioneer batch that truly understands the bible?
What I am more concerned with, is that people are actually believing the bible word for word, believing the facts to be wrong and are of the devil. eg: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
I must stress once again that religion, even in moderation, creates a breeding ground for fanatical idealogy.
and so what if i do not know when's the first nobel prize awarded? of course i don't know what i have not researched and i won't be a smart-ass and google the answer just to act like a know-it-all. i humbly admit my ignorance.
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