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• domonkassyu

  22 Dec 08, 20:38

  Originally posted by deathmaster:

  do you believe that everything is arranged by God?

  nonsensical actually..if God predestined all things..why do he gives you freewill??so people can say he is being redundant??

• domonkassyu

  22 Dec 08, 20:40

  Originally posted by Ipirate:

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  And if we do not follow His rules then off to hell forever. Is this your idea of freedom.

  Sound more like slavery to me.

   

  Regards

  DL

  thats why to even think there is an eternal hell to punish some 100 years of sin a man can possibly commit is nonsense and unfair..is God unfair??i dont think so..

• davidche

  22 Dec 08, 22:41

  In this case, i think we do have freedom to do anything we want.

  There is a consequence in doing anything, soem are bad, others good.

• 24/7

  23 Dec 08, 06:57

  domon:

  just a comment. before the fall, adam and eve were not free from sin because there was no sin to speak of. Freedom =/= license to do as we will and please but freedom from sin's bondage. Put it simply, people who used to be addicted to drugs have kicked the habit with the power of the Holy Spirit.

• domonkassyu

  25 Dec 08, 19:36

  Originally posted by davidche:

  In this case, i think we do have freedom to do anything we want.

  There is a consequence in doing anything, soem are bad, others good.

  yes we can do anything...but can you bear the consequences??thats the only problem

• domonkassyu

  25 Dec 08, 19:42

  Originally posted by 24/7:

  domon:

  just a comment. before the fall, adam and eve were not free from sin because there was no sin to speak of. Freedom =/= license to do as we will and please but freedom from sin's bondage. Put it simply, people who used to be addicted to drugs have kicked the habit with the power of the Holy Spirit.

  not free because there was no sin..wow..zen...they were free because there was no sin..until they decided to sin..btw, if you realized..adam n wife started the 1st human sin..not the 1st sin..satan the bogey man started the 1st sin way before the humans....

  freedom= free from effects of sin(aka perfection)..this i agree..but this is the spiritual sense..the physical aspect means you can do whatever you can..thats where the freewill thingy is..

  ex addicts who kicked the habit with holy spirit...try saying that to a muslim or taoist and see their response??ex addicts who ask for the holy spirit to help them kick the habit eventually kick the habit with God's help throught the holy spirit issuing from God..