How is a life of a priest
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Originally posted by crimsontactics:
Besides, i don't think what you, if you will to be so kind as not to be offended, have done in your life which give you the rights to judge others.
Wrong I have the right to judge others.
Not because so much of what I've done but because what most other people have done but in a way you could say it's because what I've chosen not to do or follow.
I can tell you that I'm chosen and I can prove it to you but I don't think the lecturer could prove that he is doing anyhting better than commited priests. It was an arrogance on his side, a thought that he should have kept for himself.
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Are priests great healers?
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There is a story of a father and his son who took their donkey to the market one day in order to buy food. The father sat on the donkey and the boy walked.
As they traveled, on-lookers said: "What a terrible thing. A big strong man like that riding while the poor boy has to walk."
So the father got off and he let the boy ride. Then people said: "How disrespectful. The father walks while his son rides."
So they both got on the back of the donkey. And then people said: "How cruel. Two people riding on that poor donkeys back."
So they both got off the donkey and walked. People said: "How foolish. Both of them walk while a perfectly healthy donkey has nothing on his back."In other words, judging others is bad.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
There is a story of a father and his son who took their donkey to the market one day in order to buy food. The father sat on the donkey and the boy walked.
As they traveled, on-lookers said: "What a terrible thing. A big strong man like that riding while the poor boy has to walk."
So the father got off and he let the boy ride. Then people said: "How disrespectful. The father walks while his son rides."
So they both got on the back of the donkey. And then people said: "How cruel. Two people riding on that poor donkeys back."
So they both got off the donkey and walked. People said: "How foolish. Both of them walk while a perfectly healthy donkey has nothing on his back."In other words, judging others is bad.
Isn't it listening too seriously to other is not good?
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Donkey still Ok but Taxi wa dame desu!
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Originally posted by skythewood:
In other words, judging others is bad.
Not when I'm the judge.
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Originally posted by Smarty Boy:
I think you have some mis-understanding....Priests are not given any gadgets by the Church and certainly not latest laptops and handphones. Some priest who need a laptop (such as for out of Church events) may be given one but it belongs to the Church and not the priest. Like your rifle in army - it's not yours. Handphones are personal for sure and most Church do not even reimburse the priest for the line.....certainly not the phone.
All priests DO NOT own cars as they belong to the Church and I believe that it cannot be more than 1600cc. But only for parish Churches because priest need to travel to serve the community as mentiuoned.
You do make a very serious allegations when you said "i doubt that they can resist picking on the donations". The donations are not counted by the priests but by a committee of lay people.
If you know any "loop holes" that may allow a priest to dip into donations, perhaps you can raise them so that something can be done or...
If you know of any or suspect that any priest is dipping into donations, you can always make a report to the Archbishop or even the police.
$500 is for real and not face value only.....
Why would someone wants to give up everything (and some priests do give up successful careers) to join a seminary for 7-8 years (when they get even lesser - used to be $50 a month but not sure now) just to get a chance to dip into donations?
First off, i would like you to understand that these are my doubts and that i'm not making any allegations regarding the financial management of the Church.
For the rifle part, you do have several good points there. However, you have to take into consideration that it may be misused for personal gains (for example, the recent AWOL soldier with his SAR). If even the army cannot ensure total security over their men and equipment, I think its resonable to doubt the ability of a ( not the ) church to ensure that no money is being used for "other purposes".
A gentle reminder, indiviual contributions maybe insignificant, but if you consider the scale of the church ( like cityharvest or novena ), it is worth quite alot. Just around 1% of the total donation per annum could easily ensure the priest a decade of good life. You may argue that a group of people will monitor every movement of the donations, but if the priest can't be trusted, can they?
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Originally posted by Beautiful951:
Isn't it listening too seriously to other is not good?
it also means not everyone should judge others, just like the villagers.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Donkey still Ok but Taxi wa dame desu!
Taxi wa hayai desu -
Originally posted by skythewood:
it also means not everyone should judge others, just like the villagers.
But its still their right to judge as as its the right of the father and son not to listen.
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Originally posted by Beautiful951:
But its still their right to judge as as its the right of the father and son not to listen.
their judgement is detrimenental and full of half truth, similar to misselling of dbs high 5 bonds. if your judgement is not sound, you will do better by keeping quiet.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Wrong I have the right to judge others.
Not because so much of what I've done but because what most other people have done but in a way you could say it's because what I've chosen not to do or follow.
I can tell you that I'm chosen and I can prove it to you but I don't think the lecturer could prove that he is doing anyhting better than commited priests. It was an arrogance on his side, a thought that he should have kept for himself.
You don't have to prove to me that you're chosen. I believe you. I also believe that everyone here is chosen to be born a human, and that only a retard would say that a father's care and contribution is indeed, a selfish act.
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dear all, our church is continually in need of priest, please help those who are called to come forth and serve the Lord.
thanks.
i'll pray for you..
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Amen :)
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Originally posted by crimsontactics:
You don't have to prove to me that you're chosen. I believe you. I also believe that everyone here is chosen to be born a human, and that only a retard would say that a father's care and contribution is indeed, a selfish act.
I was saying that he didn't have the merit to utter such opinion in public that might offend other people. By making such a claim that all the priest are doing nothing he was saying that he was doing something! In other words he judged the priests as valueless and useless. and he judged himself to be far useful than priests.
he brought the shame unto himself.
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Originally posted by crimsontactics:
First off, i would like you to understand that these are my doubts and that i'm not making any allegations regarding the financial management of the Church.
For the rifle part, you do have several good points there. However, you have to take into consideration that it may be misused for personal gains (for example, the recent AWOL soldier with his SAR). If even the army cannot ensure total security over their men and equipment, I think its resonable to doubt the ability of a ( not the ) church to ensure that no money is being used for "other purposes".
A gentle reminder, indiviual contributions maybe insignificant, but if you consider the scale of the church ( like cityharvest or novena ), it is worth quite alot. Just around 1% of the total donation per annum could easily ensure the priest a decade of good life. You may argue that a group of people will monitor every movement of the donations, but if the priest can't be trusted, can they?
There bounds to be cases of misuse of funds. Like there bounds to be criminal cases or corrupt people. But that doesn't mean that all people are criminal or all people are corrupt.
I consider the misuse of church funds to be a major offence not to men but to God. I know that God doesn't need the funds but rather it was raised for the benefit of supporting God's cause. If it was misused it would be the same as stealing from the God whom he or she worship and that's the same with contempt.
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priest and pastor different ah?
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Originally posted by crimsontactics:
First off, i would like you to understand that these are my doubts and that i'm not making any allegations regarding the financial management of the Church.
For the rifle part, you do have several good points there. However, you have to take into consideration that it may be misused for personal gains (for example, the recent AWOL soldier with his SAR). If even the army cannot ensure total security over their men and equipment, I think its resonable to doubt the ability of a ( not the ) church to ensure that no money is being used for "other purposes".
A gentle reminder, indiviual contributions maybe insignificant, but if you consider the scale of the church ( like cityharvest or novena ), it is worth quite alot. Just around 1% of the total donation per annum could easily ensure the priest a decade of good life. You may argue that a group of people will monitor every movement of the donations, but if the priest can't be trusted, can they?
Well, if it is something you presume, then there is nothing we need to discuss further. You can cast your doubts but are they cause for concern? Perhaps it would be better if you find out more about priesthood and what they really are and do.
Maybe this link will help Life in Kampung Ponggol if you are free on 16.11.08
When you said "but i doubt that they can resist picking on the donations." sounds like an allegations that the priests do dip into the donations.
The collections are done during Mass and counted after by a committee. City Harvest is different because they have no priest there and I am not familiar with their check and balance although I was there for a while. So I have no comments.
If a priest wants a "good life" in your context, I don't think they will enter priesthood in the first place.
I can trust the priests for what they are representing. Wonder why you cannot trust them...misconceptions?
I conclude that your doubts are with the integrity of the priests and anybody else serving the Church because of the temptations of money...... which is fair enough.
Well, can you trust our government? We have corrupted ministers before....how? Stop paying taxes? Label all minsisters as corrupt? Or do we improve our check and balance and continue to have faith?
Christianity teaches against the temptation of greed although I know the current hype is to preach the greedy gospel but then, that is not what the faith is teaching isn't it?
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Originally posted by crimsontactics:
I see. Thanks for enlightening me.
However, i don't get it why they are given such lastest model of gadgets? While, if it is for work, i think that some average laptops and handphones should be suffice. The money saved could be used to help others in need.
Just for you ease, the models im talking about is phones like w960i, n95 and some other smartphones.
eh.... you expect the priest to use
and
??????
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Originally posted by Master -_-:
priest and pastor different ah?
Do correct me if I'm wrong.
From a layman perspective, a Catholic priest is someone the Catholic Church ordains and given powers to celebrate Mass and the Eucharist (Holy Communion) and to forgive sins in persona Christi (in the person of Christ), amongst other things.The priest may i) belong to a religious order such as the Jesuits or the Dominicans which have their own 'specialisations' such as theology or evangelisation, or ii) take care of a community, preaching, administering sacraments (baptism, holy communion, confirmation, reconciliation, holy matrimony, annointing of the sick), providing advice etc. In the latter role, the priest is known as a parish-priest or a pastor.
A number of protestant denominations do not believe in an ordained priesthood and therefore do not have priests. Virtually anyone can start his own church and call himself a pastor to the congregation who attend his church.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
I was saying that he didn't have the merit to utter such opinion in public that might offend other people. By making such a claim that all the priest are doing nothing he was saying that he was doing something! In other words he judged the priests as valueless and useless. and he judged himself to be far useful than priests.
he brought the shame unto himself.
Quite true. I agree with you that he does not have to merits to judge others. However, what i'm unhappy about is the way you describe the act of caring for a family as a selfish act
~As far as I know he wasn't not doing anything aside trying to make his and his family ends met. A very selfish goal I'd say.~
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Priests are the masters of healing and preservation, restoring their wounded allies, shielding them in battle, and even resurrecting their fallen comrades from death. While they have a variety of protective and enhancement spells to bolster their allies, priests can also wreak terrible vengeance on their enemies, using the grand powers of the Holy Light to smite and purge their enemies, or the devastating powers of the Shadow to decimate their minds. They are a diverse and powerful class, highly desirable in any group and capable of fulfilling multiple roles.
The Priest is perhaps the best healing class with a surprisingly strong damage potential as well (should the player choose to enhance this aspect of the class). Their ability to heal and buff allies, avoid aggro, dispel buffs on enemies, dispel debuffs on their allies, and Resurrect fallen comrades makes them an important member of any group, whether it's PvP or PvE.
Priests practice a complex, organized form of spirituality that embraces moralistic philosophies, the worship of a particular deity (such as Elune) in some cases, and/or idol worship, rather than the reverence of the elements that shamans practice, or the close divine connection with animals and the wilderness that Druids maintain. Priests serve not only as influential religious figures in their respective societies, but also as powerful practitioners of divine magic, which they use to heal and protect, or harm and weaken.
Devotion to the faiths of Azeroth leads many Priests to the paths of courage and heroism. In dark times, priests carry the light of faith with them as a reminder of the powerful forces at work beyond the comprehension of the peoples who walk the land. Powerful healers with an intimate connection to the divine, Priests are empowered with abilities that aid them in times of dire need.
Priests comprise a very varied group in Azeroth. A female priest is called a "priestess". Many are followers, in some manner, of the Holy Light. Some priests choose to be pyremasters or Priestesses of the Moon, while some of the most experienced become epic Priests.
History
A dwarf PriestThe Clerics of Northshire were human priests who served the kingdom of Stormwind during the First War. The clerics served as healers on the battlefield, but were ill-prepared for the hazards of combat, and thus suffered heavy casualties. This order was largely destroyed, and the Second War saw fragile Priests replaced on the battlefield by armored paladins; The Knights of the Silver Hand, established by the Clerics' leader Archbishop Alonsus Faol, and his apprentice Uther Lightbringer.
During events of the Third War, despite the high elves' official departure from the Alliance, some elves still remained true to their former human and dwarven allies. The altruistic Priests of Quel’Thalas refused to abandon their roles as healers and agreed to remain in Lordaeron despite the edicts from their reclusive masters in Silvermoon. The high elven Priests used their Light-given powers to heal the wounded and bolster the spirits of Lordaeron’s fighting elite. A holy field medic, these padres roam the battlefield curing the wounds of fallen comrades.
We are Martyrs. We are Saviors. We are Vindicators. We are Corruptors. We are Priests.
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Originally posted by crimsontactics:
Quite true. I agree with you that he does not have to merits to judge others. However, what i'm unhappy about is the way you describe the act of caring for a family as a selfish act
~As far as I know he wasn't not doing anything aside trying to make his and his family ends met. A very selfish goal I'd say.~
Then compare it with a priest who leaves behind his family, the worldy things of this world like a high paying career, houses, cars, girlfriend or wive and the possibility of having children to serve the people whom he is assigned to. Losing the hope of owning the luxuries of this world. Getting moved from time to time so there is no one place that he could truly call home or to everyplace he must call them home.
Have you heard of mother teresa?
I din't say that being a family man was bad but to be frank a family man busies himself with the things of the world and his family and have much less time to serve others in need.
In comparison a family man is more oriented towards his own family(who doesn't put his own family as top priority?)while a priest or nun serve a lot more people with selfless motive.
I'm sorry If my writing that taking care a family is a selfsih act offended you. I apologize. Of course each family must be strong before it can give any positive contribution to society. I wasn't sensible enough to consider the fact that people might take it offensive.
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Originally posted by fatone:
Priests are the masters of healing and preservation, restoring their wounded allies, shielding them in battle, and even resurrecting their fallen comrades from death. While they have a variety of protective and enhancement spells to bolster their allies, priests can also wreak terrible vengeance on their enemies, using the grand powers of the Holy Light to smite and purge their enemies, or the devastating powers of the Shadow to decimate their minds. They are a diverse and powerful class, highly desirable in any group and capable of fulfilling multiple roles.
The Priest is perhaps the best healing class with a surprisingly strong damage potential as well (should the player choose to enhance this aspect of the class). Their ability to heal and buff allies, avoid aggro, dispel buffs on enemies, dispel debuffs on their allies, and Resurrect fallen comrades makes them an important member of any group, whether it's PvP or PvE.
Priests practice a complex, organized form of spirituality that embraces moralistic philosophies, the worship of a particular deity (such as Elune) in some cases, and/or idol worship, rather than the reverence of the elements that shamans practice, or the close divine connection with animals and the wilderness that Druids maintain. Priests serve not only as influential religious figures in their respective societies, but also as powerful practitioners of divine magic, which they use to heal and protect, or harm and weaken.
Devotion to the faiths of Azeroth leads many Priests to the paths of courage and heroism. In dark times, priests carry the light of faith with them as a reminder of the powerful forces at work beyond the comprehension of the peoples who walk the land. Powerful healers with an intimate connection to the divine, Priests are empowered with abilities that aid them in times of dire need.
Priests comprise a very varied group in Azeroth. A female priest is called a "priestess". Many are followers, in some manner, of the Holy Light. Some priests choose to be pyremasters or Priestesses of the Moon, while some of the most experienced become epic Priests.
History
A dwarf PriestThe Clerics of Northshire were human priests who served the kingdom of Stormwind during the First War. The clerics served as healers on the battlefield, but were ill-prepared for the hazards of combat, and thus suffered heavy casualties. This order was largely destroyed, and the Second War saw fragile Priests replaced on the battlefield by armored paladins; The Knights of the Silver Hand, established by the Clerics' leader Archbishop Alonsus Faol, and his apprentice Uther Lightbringer.
During events of the Third War, despite the high elves' official departure from the Alliance, some elves still remained true to their former human and dwarven allies. The altruistic Priests of Quel’Thalas refused to abandon their roles as healers and agreed to remain in Lordaeron despite the edicts from their reclusive masters in Silvermoon. The high elven Priests used their Light-given powers to heal the wounded and bolster the spirits of Lordaeron’s fighting elite. A holy field medic, these padres roam the battlefield curing the wounds of fallen comrades.
We are Martyrs. We are Saviors. We are Vindicators. We are Corruptors. We are Priests.
yaya.. warcraft..
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The Beautiful Hands of a Priest
We need them in life's early morning,
we need them again at its close;
We feel their warm clasp of friendship,
we seek them when tasting life's woes.
At the altar each day we behold them,
and the hands of a king on his throne
Are not equal to them in their
greatness; their dignity stands all alone;
And when we are tempted and wander
to pathways of shame and sin,
It's the hand of a priest that will absolve
us----not once, but again and again;
And when we are taking life's partner,
other hands may prepare us a feast,
But the hand that will bless and unite
us is the beautiful hand of a priest.
God bless them and keep them all holy
For the Host which their fingers caress;
When can a poor sinner do better than
to ask Him to guide thee and bless?
When the hour of death comes upon us
may our courage and strength be increased.
By seeing raised over us in anointing the
beautiful hands of a priest!Author Unknown