Is tithing a correct teaching?
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There are recent outcry about mega churches and one of the issues is about money which of course comes from tithing. However, is tithing a correct teaching? Can they be enforced on all Christians? Should the church teach tithing? Ans: http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/ Pastor cannot defend tithing? Ans: http://www.tithingdebate.com/DeJongRebuttal.html The truth about tithing Ans: http://www.biblebb.com/files/tithing.htm Will a man rob God? Ans: http://biblicalfoundations.org/pdf/pdfarticles/bbrtithing1.pdf Biblical model of giving Ans: http://biblicalfoundations.org/pdf/pdfarticles/bbrtithing2.pdf No more tithing! Ans: http://www.nomoretithing.org/ What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? Ans: http://www.gotquestions.org/tithing-Christian.html Does God require me to tithe what I earn? Ans: http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/IA-tithe.htm Happy reading and reflecting!
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well it depends
if u really want to give
then give on your own accord
but dun mean that if u give
u will 100 percent get 100 folds back
u might get bless in other things but not money
do dun expect so much ya
me a good example ya
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
well it depends
if u really want to give
then give on your own accord
but dun mean that if u give
u will 100 percent get 100 folds back
u might get bless in other things but not money
do dun expect so much ya
me a good example ya
No tithing does not means no giving but using tithing to enforce giving is incorrect. I agree with you that you should give at your own free will and blessings from God is not exchanged with money......
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yep... agree if u have a revelation then tithe if u believe that tithing will give you results then tithe... if not don... Do not give money out of fear
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of course tithing is a right teaching. motive of tithing is also important. be a cheerful giver.
also.. when you tithe or make any sort of offering, make sure u dun hv any quarrels with anyone.. go make peace first.. it's a question of the heart now.
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ya, at ur own comfort..
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ya but again
dont mean u tithe
u will get anything back
somtime maybe 0
also one
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hi guys/gals
i used to wonder, wht is the purpose of tithing anyway, giving 10% of our salary or even giving offerings..
but as i grew older and c more of the activities going on the church, i realise tht the tithtes and our offering are used to pay for the ultitlity bills of the church, to pay church workers salary (even pastors..), the mission trips expenses (e,g, to china), other ministries such as orphanage ministry etc etc... and also build some extension of the church ( As we harvest more and more soul, we need bigger church)...building dont come cheap nowadays :Pyeah totally agree.. tht giving tithes u will not get anoything back...but normally u will in a way u dont nkow or expcet..as in scripture..god will trully bless those who follow his words..tht included tithes...
i have not eaten much salt in life, but thinking tis past few years..i think i m trully blessed, to meet the ppl i meet, to go places i nvr expect to go...
i m not the right person to say tis, but obey the lord and he will truly bless you..
p.s. i dont give ttithes because i expect something, but as an obligation :)
as some of you would say.. at ur own comfort...cheers
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The point missed here is that tithing is not enforceable and thus a wrong teaching.
But no tithing does not means no giving....tithing and giving (out of free will and what one could afford) is not the same.
The articles quoted (pls do spend some time reading) is just to highlight why teaching of tithing is wrong.
More importantly, what tithes really are.....
It is not to show that giving money to church is wrong. But to ask for 10% in the name of God and tithe is wrong (at least for those who agree with the articles).
God bless us all regardless if we tithe / give or not.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
of course tithing is a right teaching. motive of tithing is also important. be a cheerful giver.
also.. when you tithe or make any sort of offering, make sure u dun hv any quarrels with anyone.. go make peace first.. it's a question of the heart now.
Yes, the articles attempt to address the issue of motive
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hear that christ preach against rich people.doesn't mention about tithing in the new testament
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Originally posted by Joolead:
hear that christ preach against rich people.doesn't mention about tithing in the new testament
Just to clarify...Jesus is NOT AGAINST the rich but against GREED.....and the need more more and more....
And you are right that He never teach or preach about tithing because it is not required by God.
But again, no tithing does not means no giving but we need to give from our heart and what we are most comfortable to give.
Not like what is being preached by some self proclaimed pastors that tithing will bring you prosperity, riches, return whatever they call it. Worst that tithing is a command by God and not doing so is "stealing" from God etc....
So don't tithe out of GREED or FEAR.....NEVER tithe but do give generously (not to make the pastor rich but to help maintain the church and most important to help the poor and needy) and have peace. Never give cause you want "returns from God.
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so that he can lay his into the follower's pocket.
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jew managment
.how do you that the money you given to the church are helping the poor or for maintian the church?some will say look at god not man and treat the money is given to god.
Then who is the one who take the money not god but man.so can you be so sure the money is given to god?
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Originally posted by Joolead:
.how do you that the money you given to the church are helping the poor or for maintian the church?some will say look at god not man and treat the money is given to god.
Then who is the one who take the money not god but man.so can you be so sure the money is given to god?
First of all, understand the missions of the Church you attend and find out what they do - you can find many charities, home, hospices, hospitals etc that are run by religious organisations.
Secondly, the Church (at least I know the Catholics Churches do) will tell you that they money collected is for what purposes example : every month, there is a collection by St Vincent de Paul and collections are used to help the poor and needy within the parish regardless of faith.
Thirdly, you can give directly to any charities or any needy persons you come across. It is not necessary to give only to the Church or through the Church.
It is the reason why you give that matters.....and not the amount or a must to give only to the Church. Giving is about charity and most important - LOVE of your neighbour.
If you belong to a Church, you would want to help chip in by giving money for maintenence right? Just like staying in HDB, you pay town council and in condo, you pay maintenance too.....
The teaching of tithing is to give 10% to the "church" and if pastors are staying in semi-d and driving conti cars.....I wonder where most of the money goes to.......and worst by saying that God will prosper them when they give money to the "church" which they claimed is to give to God.
As you rightly questioned:"Then who is the one who take the money not god but man.so can you be so sure the money is given to god?"
which is why teaching of tithing is not right.
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well .... if the pastor's driving a bigger car than the average parishioner, then anyone would be able to tell you something is wrong, no ? ....
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Whether to tithe or not to tithe, it's between you and God. I simply believe that God has blessed us with a job that it's fair enough to give some up for His work.
It's also a matter of how you believe in the works that your church is doing. The church can only reach out to the non-believers and to help out the unfortunate with the support of the members including you and me. Everything involves money nowadays (utilities, salary to the staffs etc) and we just need to be realistic that the only way to keep the church going is from our tithe.
No one has the right to judge you whether you give or not. But if you do choose to give, give it with a grateful heart instead of obligation. Give and you will be given.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
well .... if the pastor's driving a bigger car than the average parishioner, then anyone would be able to tell you something is wrong, no ? ....
Not really because the pastor can come from a rich family right? Anyway, if there is a need to must have a big car and semi-d, then perhaps, pastoring is the wrong choice of "job". Pastoring is a vocation and is a calling from God to serve....
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Originally posted by Smarty Boy:
Not really because the pastor can come from a rich family right? Anyway, if there is a need to must have a big car and semi-d, then perhaps, pastoring is the wrong choice of "job". Pastoring is a vocation and is a calling from God to serve....
exactly .... it's a calling to serve ...
when I used to go to mass, the basillian fathers were chaps who's taken a vow of poverty (and celibacy), they conducted mass wearing cheap plastic casio watches and plastic rimmed glasses, they wear sneakers so scruffed it looked like something from the salvation army free box ...
contrast that with some of the other chaps you see around ... driving in a merc or a beemer, staying in a private property, wearing nice tailored suits and patent shoes, living it up like rock stars ...... is this the flavour of "men of god" you like ? ...
sure, you can stretch imagination and logic by saying that they ALL came from a rich family .... but everyone's free to make their own conclusions, I rest my case ....
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Originally posted by honeymouse:
Whether to tithe or not to tithe, it's between you and God. I simply believe that God has blessed us with a job that it's fair enough to give some up for His work.
It's also a matter of how you believe in the works that your church is doing. The church can only reach out to the non-believers and to help out the unfortunate with the support of the members including you and me. Everything involves money nowadays (utilities, salary to the staffs etc) and we just need to be realistic that the only way to keep the church going is from our tithe.
No one has the right to judge you whether you give or not. But if you do choose to give, give it with a grateful heart instead of obligation. Give and you will be given.
The point that is missed here is again : No tithing does not means no giving.
Tithing is a wrong teaching and the biblical facts to support this are in the links provided in the first posts.
There is no need to tithe and Jesus never tell us to do so. God's blessings are not tied to tithe.
Catholic Churches never teaches to tithe and yet they survived for 2000+ years and still thriving.....simply proved that "the only way to keep the church going is from our tithe" is not correct.
Agreed with you that "give and you will be given" as well as "we should give with a grateful heart instead of obligation".
To add on, we should give what we are comfortable with and to whom we wishes to help and not tithe to make someone rich.
"No one has the right to judge you whether you give or not" but certainly NO ONE should teach me to tithe or teach "the benefits of tithing" when it is wrong.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
contrast that with some of the other chaps you see around ... driving in a merc or a beemer, staying in a private property, wearing nice tailored suits and patent shoes, living it up like rock stars ...... is this the flavour of "men of god" you like ? ...
Yes, I agreed with you that I disagree with such people and that is why I started this thread so that people can see the other side of the teaching of tithes.
It is sad that some people see pastoring as a way to get rich fast and they really cheapen the word Pastor. Many of these are untrained and self-proclaimed ones....which is why they always need to say "God spoke to me"......some even started their own training school to teach!
They do a lot of injustice to those Pastors who are trained and who are really out to serving God.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
sure, you can stretch imagination and logic by saying that they ALL came from a rich family .... but everyone's free to make their own conclusions, I rest my case ....
Relax lah...some may have come from rich family....but I do see your point and I agree with you.
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heng,after i backout from the church(once a believer) i was abled to clear debt .is a blood thirsty sucker place just for money.
and alot of them is TONA (tok only no action) in the church .And say thing until very nice and what god love you and must tithie lar and donate for this one and that one lar. .then behind say bad thing about.wow, that so and so tithie so little lar ...(bad news spread faster than good news especially i church.)like you own them $$$.
(the pastor eat in very ex resturant and drive nice and stay in big hse.
wear branded thing.)
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i don't care what the church does with my tithing..
i just have to give my 10% thats all
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Originally posted by Joolead:
heng,after i backout from the church(once a believer) i was abled to clear debt .is a blood thirsty sucker place just for money.
and alot of them is TONA (tok only no action) in the church .And say thing until very nice and what god love you and must tithie lar and donate for this one and that one lar. .then behind say bad thing about.wow, that so and so tithie so little lar ...(bad news spread faster than good news especially i church.)like you own them $$$.
(the pastor eat in very ex resturant and drive nice and stay in big hse.
wear branded thing.)
so its wrong to be rich?
Who here don't want to eat in very expensive resturant, Drive nice, and stay in big house?
Rev Kong don't earn money from tithings.. he has his own business, Selling CDs..
if you are giving so unwillingly. how is god able to bless you back?
i gave $200 for building funds.. though is not alot but its withing my reach..
i got bless back a Omnia phone, a Laptop out of the blue by my friends dad
and i never even say anything about those 2 items and i got it why? God is at work.. but must give with a smile