Originally posted by youyayu:not in jurong leh..
expo that 1 leh.. the camera.. like =.= always hit me
expo one ok
so chc having its christmas celebration soon
Originally posted by noahnoah:
expo one okso chc having its christmas celebration soon
yea...
i love the candle part
Originally posted by youyayu:yea...
i love the candle part
o yes nice
that part
can feel the presence of God
Originally posted by Creation1656:Hi Rafeash, since u brought up Genesis 14:20, i would like to give u a cut n paste answer from this christian website:
http://www.tithingdebate.com/DeJongRebuttal.html
KELLY: DeJong is placing words into Abraham’s mouth which are not found in Scripture. From my essay:
For the following reasons, Genesis 14:20 cannot be used as an example for Christians to tithe. (1) The Bible does not say that Abraham "freely" gave this tithe. (2) Abraham’s gift was NOT a holy tithe from God’s holy land gathered by God’s holy people under God’s holy Old Covenant. (3) Abraham’s tithe was only from pagan spoils of war common to many nations. (4) In Numbers 31, God only required 1% of spoils of war. (5) Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek was a one-time recorded event. (6) Abraham’s tithe was not from his own personal property. (7) Abraham kept nothing for himself; he gave everything back. (8) Abraham’s tithe is not quoted anywhere in the Bible to endorse tithing. (9) Genesis 14, verse 21, is the key text. Since most commentaries explain verse 21 as an example of pagan Arab tradition, it is contradictory to explain the 90% of verse 21 as pagan, while insisting that the 10% of verse 20 was God’s will. (10) If Abraham is an example for Christians to give 10% to God, then he should also be an example for Christians to give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom! (11) Since neither Abraham nor Jacob had a Levitical priesthood to support, they had no place to bring tithes and probably left food for the poor at their altars.
We refers to G-d as Hashem cos we dun want to transgress Hashem commandment:
'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. Deu 5:11 (NASB).
sorry to say this..but you guys think that when your God is wronged by others either by ignorance or by false charges and you speak up for your God..it is still considered a misuse of God's holy name??and in conflict with the 10 laws??it is that thinking that prevented humans now to really know how to even address God's name..is that the way it should be??to not even know how to say the name of the one you should love and worship with all your mind,soul,heart and strength??
humans.. you should wake up by now..traditions will be meaningless and come to a pass soon..
and for attacks on CHC...please stop..you have your gods..they have theirs..just they they are more practical in the secular sense to use worship money and use God's name to render service to their god..
the world will never know who God is
till end of world come "but not in our generation"
To me after death not impt anymore
I more bother now waht is going to happen tom
and in the future
Originally posted by noahnoah:
the world will never know who God is
till end of world come "but not in our generation"
To me after death not impt anymore
I more bother now waht is going to happen tom
and in the future
haha...dun wory.it is coming in our generation after all..keep waiting...the signs are clear enough...jus a lil more..whats gonna happen 2ml and in the future...expect more crashes in the economy....your havent seen rock bottom yet..
Originally posted by Asaph:well..churches are different because everyone is different. There's no perfect church in this way because no man is perfect. So please do not judge. every church has its own way of doing things. to the finances part, this issue is quite sensitive and thus it is unwise to comment unless you have concrete facts. Btw, for those who are thinking CHC is just sucking money, please go check out CHCSA's website, you'll know more
churches are different, everyone is different...
the last I heard, the Bible is still the same...
beyond that, the folks of CHC has a history of having strange bedfellows.... choosing to work with preachers who has questionable past, and more questionable doctrines. many of such foreign preachers have been flagged to be controversial (in the least) and outright heretic.
Originally posted by Chin Eng:churches are different, everyone is different...
the last I heard, the Bible is still the same...
beyond that, the folks of CHC has a history of having strange bedfellows.... choosing to work with preachers who has questionable past, and more questionable doctrines. many of such foreign preachers have been flagged to be controversial (in the least) and outright heretic.
haha what does the bible comment has to do with anything? =P
which preacher got questionable past? i heard it was benny hinn
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:haha what does the bible comment has to do with anything? =P
which preacher got questionable past? i heard it was benny hinn
well, when questioned, folks from such churches will do one (or all) of the following:
1. don't judge...
2. we are all different...
3. our churches (culture) are different...
yet they forget: the doctrine is the same.... and where does the doctrine come from? the Bible.... so the Bible is the same.
questionable past...? Benny Hinn being one of them... and the others.... sometimes if you check into the roster of speakers in the CHC website... and do a search in the internet, you'd find them being flagged as questionable or even dangerous.
Originally posted by Chin Eng:well, when questioned, folks from such churches will do one (or all) of the following:
1. don't judge...
2. we are all different...
3. our churches (culture) are different...
yet they forget: the doctrine is the same.... and where does the doctrine come from? the Bible.... so the Bible is the same.
questionable past...? Benny Hinn being one of them... and the others.... sometimes if you check into the roster of speakers in the CHC website... and do a search in the internet, you'd find them being flagged as questionable or even dangerous.
i've only seen 1 guest speaker b4, nv bothered to search though. uh, from america one.
hmm doctrine i always believe has been influenced by man. so i view doctrine as different from what God says. like.. method of baptism, methods of worship - charismatic or traditional
Originally posted by Asaph:bible principles are forever the same..its in the book. its how people interprets the bible tat makes every church different. anyway, about controversial people, these people are ordained by God to be in the 5-fold ministry, don't know wat's tat? go read up. aniwae, if really they've wrongdoings, den his faults will eventually come to light.
Otherwise, we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Even if you read about their wrongdoings in webs or books, they could b haters of the preacher himself, or set to do him no good or to discredit him. They might be works of some christians who are envy of his works. so pls....think
its how people interprets the bible tat makes every church different. - it is also how people interpret the Bible that makes one church a cult.
these people are ordained by God to be in the 5-fold ministry - who told you that?
benefit of the doubt - if your first definition is - everyone is is wrong and these are just envious people, it does not leave any room for discernment in you.
As you'd said: Please Think.... but you obvious don't. afterall you continue to give benefit of doubt.
Originally posted by Asaph:bible principles are forever the same..its in the book. its how people interprets the bible tat makes every church different. anyway, about controversial people, these people are ordained by God to be in the 5-fold ministry, don't know wat's tat? go read up. aniwae, if really they've wrongdoings, den his faults will eventually come to light. Otherwise, we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Even if you read about their wrongdoings in webs or books, they could b haters of the preacher himself, or set to do him no good or to discredit him. They might be works of some christians who are envy of his works. so pls....think
hmm, and they could be sincere people who feel that they're wrong too.
i heard there was this incident in chc where pastor benny was praying, and said smth like if u give more money, he'll bless them to be richer etc.
while the bible did say if you give more, more will be given to you, but i think.. tts abit too doh alr.
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i've only seen 1 guest speaker b4, nv bothered to search though. uh, from america one.
hmm doctrine i always believe has been influenced by man. so i view doctrine as different from what God says. like.. method of baptism, methods of worship - charismatic or traditional
all that being said... dumb2, how do you recognise a cult???
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:hmm, and they could be sincere people who feel that they're wrong too.
i heard there was this incident in chc where pastor benny was praying, and said smth like if u give more money, he'll bless them to be richer etc.
while the bible did say if you give more, more will be given to you, but i think.. tts abit too doh alr.
The bible said it, but it's not specifically about money. It can be your sacrifice, your time, your skills....
Hinn will always only go the money way...
In the first place, why should Christians desire to give more money in order to blessed with (specifically) riches??? Where in the Bible is that stated? Isn't that greed?
To me, it goes against the grain of Biblical teachings to desire wealth.
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
all that being said... dumb2, how do you recognise a cult???
a cult believes in absolute, that everyone around them is wrong, and they're the only one who is right of way. they interpret the teachings out of context to twist the original teachings until it seems to support their views.
and some even add on teachings to the original teachings
they're above accountability, and they drive others using fear of lack or promise of blessings.
they have a leader who is in charge of everything
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:a cult believes in absolute, that everyone around them is wrong, and they're the only one who is right of way. they interpret the teachings out of context to twist the original teachings until it seems to support their views.
and some even add on teachings to the original teachings
they're above accountability, and they drive others using fear of lack or promise of blessings.
they have a leader who is in charge of everything
to me you have just descibed CHC.....
... suing a church member when a member made negative comments....
... until recently, the church was controlled by one man ... and his glamour puss wife...
... the "prosperity gospel" is questionable at best.... and has very few scriptural support...
... the "word-faith" doctrine is not very far from the "prosperity gospel"...
Originally posted by Chin Eng:In the first place, why should Christians desire to give more money in order to blessed with (specifically) riches??? Where in the Bible is that stated? Isn't that greed?
To me, it goes against the grain of Biblical teachings to desire wealth.
Prosperity gospel contradicts with blibical teachings.
Originally posted by noahnoah:
the world will never know who God is
till end of world come "but not in our generation"
To me after death not impt anymore
I more bother now waht is going to happen tom
and in the future
i'm not christian, but based on what i know, if you believe in God, should you not have to be 'bothered' about what's going to happen in the future? because God has already planned it all for you?? :?
Originally posted by davidche:Prosperity gospel contradicts with blibical teachings.
- Matthew 19:24
I’ll say it again—it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”- Mark 10:23
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!”
hi dave.... how was "O" levels? trying for ACJC??
it must be stated that "wealth" in itself is not the issue, and reality is, nowhere in the Bible does it espouse the need to live in poverty.
both the passages quoted by dave are similar.
the context is not: wealth is bad...
the context is: is wealth so important that you cannot give it up...
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
to me you have just descibed CHC........ suing a church member when a member made negative comments....
... until recently, the church was controlled by one man ... and his glamour puss wife...
... the "prosperity gospel" is questionable at best.... and has very few scriptural support...
... the "word-faith" doctrine is not very far from the "prosperity gospel"...
hur hur hur - alot of ppl say prosperity gospel isn't scriptural, can u explain further?
i didn't know they sued their own member.. tts.. kinda against what the bible teaches right, it's not right to take another brother to court, since all of us will judge angels, surely we are capable of judging what is right
TALK WITH YOUR TONGUE
TALK WITH YOUR TONGUE
LOLOL
Originally posted by davidche:Prosperity gospel contradicts with blibical teachings.
- Matthew 19:24
I’ll say it again—it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”
- Mark 10:23
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!”
i tink u... better read the entire passage and see what was really going on, you just quoted the verse out of context.
clue: being rich or not has nothing to do with salvation
Originally posted by gigabyte14:TALK WITH YOUR TONGUE
TALK WITH YOUR TONGUE
LOLOL
u need ur tongue to talk.
speaking in tongues..i think CHC has the most no. of people who can do that..
and once u enter, and decide to leave, you might as well change ur damn hp number.