It will take some revelation for the person to see the meaning of holding Christianity in contempt.
And certainly some churches are practicing that. But it is not up to us to judge them. We have our own problems to deal with. Too much to bother about what wrong have the others done. We can only steer far away from their main stream activities.
The more we try to convince the more resistant they will be. Let them find out the truth themselves and realise it themselves. Let God conduct the discipline. We are not qualified to do it.
Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:i really dont understand what kind of church that is.
They're based in a shopping mall, and they're paying $500Million to build a new one with dance clubs and wine bars.
Their music is like rock music or something, just with christian words as lyrics.
Their leader is more like a celebrity than a christian leader
is singapore expo a shoping mall?
Originally posted by skythewood:i heard some years ago they bought a holy stone with a large sum of money. i feel it is very stupid...
no sources don't any how say
Originally posted by rummage:moneysuckers
the original, ancient faith of christianity is gone in chc
u see their music, their culture
its more like singapore youth society
And can you tell me which company/religon no need money to survive?
Originally posted by Mid9Sun:Ok this is my personal take on mega churches,no intention to offend anyone.
Churches should be reminded what are Jesus’s teachings and should mirror what He stands for, like humility, self sacrifice, and other virtues.
Jesus could have all the $$ in the world to build mega and beautiful churches for his flocks but instead he usually choosed humble venues like wilderness or mountains etc etc.
Churches should never engage in any business or profit making activities unless it’s for charity or other good causes. Remember Jesus himself chase out those greedy merchants from the temples angrily didnt he?
Even if a church is rich and successful, the extra monies, should be used to set up trusts for or donate direct into charities where $$$ would be use more meaningfully.
Lastly, Jesus said very clearly like many will come in His name and much of these are wolves in sheep skins. So people should look beyond the glamour and flashy lights and see the real god that the church is subscribing to.
so what u mean christian should all be poor?
In singapore if you don't have any money no status you think people will respect you?
Oh please how do you know that CHC has not been giving out money to charties?
CHC is the one that organize the President Charity every year.
And do you think renting a Singapore EXPO hall is cheap?
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Success brings envy.
How many people have we ourselves fed?
If this City Harvest Church is abusing its congregation money for selfish purposes they will answer to God in time of judgment. How long can a man live afterall.
Unless we have some evidence that show they are abusing their congregation money it's pointless to rant.
You don't really believe that God is dead do you? We would all get what we deserved. Count on that.
agreed..secular success brings about secular envy..all are a vanity and chasing after the wind..we will a/c for ourselves soon to God..
Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:i really dont understand what kind of church that is.
They're based in a shopping mall, and they're paying $500Million to build a new one with dance clubs and wine bars.
Their music is like rock music or something, just with christian words as lyrics.
Their leader is more like a celebrity than a christian leader
churches who do stuff like tat will surely fall in time to come...God will wipe out all such hypocrisy..
Originally posted by skythewood:i heard some years ago they bought a holy stone with a large sum of money. i feel it is very stupid...
very stupid indeed..holy stone..from whom is it made holy??do true christians have holy artifects?those that appeared in the past are already defiled...holy stone...lol
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Really? I like Hillsong. . .
Do they exhibit the power of the spirit?
Do they really believe in Jesus and follow Jesus?
I don't mind how they worship God. As loong as it is God whom they worship and follow.
your last sentence..of cuz u should mind if you truly love God and jesus..would it be ok if there are people professing their love for God n jesus yet worshipping them with roast chicken,roast pig and burn incense money??
Originally posted by Mid9Sun:Ok this is my personal take on mega churches,no intention to offend anyone.
Churches should be reminded what are Jesus’s teachings and should mirror what He stands for, like humility, self sacrifice, and other virtues.
Jesus could have all the $$ in the world to build mega and beautiful churches for his flocks but instead he usually choosed humble venues like wilderness or mountains etc etc.
Churches should never engage in any business or profit making activities unless it’s for charity or other good causes. Remember Jesus himself chase out those greedy merchants from the temples angrily didnt he?
Even if a church is rich and successful, the extra monies, should be used to set up trusts for or donate direct into charities where $$$ would be use more meaningfully.
Lastly, Jesus said very clearly like many will come in His name and much of these are wolves in sheep skins. So people should look beyond the glamour and flashy lights and see the real god that the church is subscribing to.
pretty well said...bravo..none of my visit to a certain mega church taught about God's kingdom to come..
Originally posted by Rgr ong:Hey, i WAS in CHC for a while too. Well, we do have our own views and opinions bout how things are done. There is really no clearly defined Right Or Wrong. Everyone please to write things that are more of facts and less of offensive to CHC and christians.
there is a clear point on what is right or wrong..is everything being taught based on the bible??use the bible as the basis for right n wrong.
Originally posted by noahnoah:
yep happy go lor
dun happy dun go lor
so simple
kekeke
But they preach a lot on money one
always ask members to give and give
then say u will get 100 folds back
i been there for 6 years
given money but never c any folds back
so i dun think is wise keep telling people
u put 10 bucks in u will reap 100 folds
sounds like stock market to me
so i guess im not the only one tat feels they are teaching ppl to be materially greedy...
Originally posted by MS:It will take some revelation for the person to see the meaning of holding Christianity in contempt.
And certainly some churches are practicing that. But it is not up to us to judge them. We have our own problems to deal with. Too much to bother about what wrong have the others done. We can only steer far away from their main stream activities.
The more we try to convince the more resistant they will be. Let them find out the truth themselves and realise it themselves. Let God conduct the discipline. We are not qualified to do it.
but when we do know the bible,it is our duty and responsibility to spread the word and bring as many people back to the truth as possible isnt it? though we are not qualified to judge, but we can be God's sower of seeds..God himself will do the growing.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:when jesus walked the earth,he was penniless
I beg to defer,
John 12:4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages." He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.
Jesus wasn't penniless.
Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:i really dont understand what kind of church that is.
They're based in a shopping mall, and they're paying $500Million to build a new one with dance clubs and wine bars.
Their music is like rock music or something, just with christian words as lyrics.
Their leader is more like a celebrity than a christian leader
So you rather they go indoor stadium and pay 3 to 6 time the amount?
Those churches are big not in terms of building size, but member size.
There's alot of churches expending but many can't match the size of those. If you are a pastor and you have soo many member what you do?
They are doing the great work. The Lord will take away their candle stick if they are not going by the gospel. I have more concern with churches that don't grow at all.
Not ppl donate and do charities are good. Yet you found porn in their computer...Jesus sees the heart.
Do look at the members will determin the maturity of the church. If it's all children it a sunday school, if majority is teens it's a youth church...etc
Originally posted by youyayu:And can you tell me which company/religon no need money to survive?
u missing the point
i know u CHC
but they manipulating minds, using the word 'christianity' to control the people
Originally posted by MS:....
Let God conduct the discipline. We are not qualified to do it.
Wise words there.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:pretty well said...bravo..none of my visit to a certain mega church taught about God's kingdom to come..
Jesus is mobile and his audience is 4000 - 5000 not counting woman and children. How to build a church. He taught in the temple and yet ppl want to stone him.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Why learn about the kingdom to come?
Luke 17:20 Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
Don't be confuse it's not heaven He's refering to.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Really? I like Hillsong. . .
Do they exhibit the power of the spirit?
Do they really believe in Jesus and follow Jesus?
I don't mind how they worship God. As loong as it is God whom they worship and follow.
What do you mean exactly by follow Yeshua?
What do you mean by follow Yahweh, how do you worship Yahweh?
Someone from the church said that they are "forced" to buy the CDs of the pastor's wife, buy 13 pcs. Pastor using pulpit time to advertise the CD of the wife.
Originally posted by aHGer^83:i used to almost went into CHC.. some 7-8yrs back...
but didnt. feel that their tactic was like MLM.... keep pestering u....
hate it....
That is the way to get rich mah.
Originally posted by gigabyte14:u missing the point
i know u CHC
but they manipulating minds, using the word 'christianity' to control the people
define control, are you even from there? i don't think they are controlling they are leading.. say that with prove wad point did i miss?
Originally posted by Fantagf:Someone from the church said that they are "forced" to buy the CDs of the pastor's wife, buy 13 pcs. Pastor using pulpit time to advertise the CD of the wife.
That some one is lying
I have been in the church for 7 years attend almost every service i nv heard of Dr.Kong advertising/ "forced" ppl to buy
the most is they put in the stores, put it in video thats all..
I myself don't buy those CDs, cos i don't really think is worth the money
Please do not any how critisize
Originally posted by domonkassyu:churches who do stuff like tat will surely fall in time to come...God will wipe out all such hypocrisy..
go check the church history before saying anything