the BS about going to church praying for the continuity of humans govt should really be stoned to death..a direct disagreement from God's word...the people who do that are jus worshipping the new god known as patriotism.
Why go to Church? Just read the articles in the NDP special from yesterday.
Ok my 2 cents is this.
Going to church is a total waste of time.
You basically sit there for 30min to 1hr just listening to the priest talking about history which is so close to being fiction.
I think god would prefer you to use this time for social services or perhaps just spend this time with your family to increase your bonds, rather than listening to somethings that i guess majority of the participants can't understand.
When i go to church, i see many people with their heads down, looking around unattentively or even sleeping. They are not wrong, the masses held are just way to boring. Today is the 21st century, yet the Vatican acts like as if it is still the Dark Ages, asking the church to do all those traditional stuffs which are meaningless and boring at the same time.
Worshipping in churches is a want, not a must. Many want to be there for the camaderie and the group spirit. But it is not a neccessity.
Originally posted by crimsontactics:Ok my 2 cents is this.
Going to church is a total waste of time.
You basically sit there for 30min to 1hr just listening to the priest talking about history which is so close to being fiction.
I think god would prefer you to use this time for social services or perhaps just spend this time with your family to increase your bonds, rather than listening to somethings that i guess majority of the participants can't understand.
When i go to church, i see many people with their heads down, looking around unattentively or even sleeping. They are not wrong, the masses held are just way to boring. Today is the 21st century, yet the Vatican acts like as if it is still the Dark Ages, asking the church to do all those traditional stuffs which are meaningless and boring at the same time.
Worshipping in churches is a want, not a must. Many want to be there for the camaderie and the group spirit. But it is not a neccessity.
for my 2 cents now..it is written that fellow worshippers of the true God should congegate to worship God,to strengthen each other's faith and to help those who have fallen.
now the things taught in church are not entirely useless like u said, nor is it entirely beneficial any longer as many have being twisted.and im talking about churches as a whole...the vatican itself is entirely on a different scale..too sensitive to discuss in this close minded society.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:for my 2 cents now..it is written that fellow worshippers of the true God should congegate to worship God,to strengthen each other's faith and to help those who have fallen.
now the things taught in church are not entirely useless like u said, nor is it entirely beneficial any longer as many have being twisted.and im talking about churches as a whole...the vatican itself is entirely on a different scale..too sensitive to discuss in this close minded society.
What is written may not be true. You have to understand that the bible is not the direct word from god, but rather a compliation of what man presume god would say. You also have to take in the different factors like corruption and misleading which are weaknesses of man. These further lowers the quality and quantity of facts in the bible.
Now I'm not discrediting the bible. Rather i find that we should use our common sense to analyse and interpret whether what that is written is true and useful. God had blessed us with knowlegde and wisdom and had warn us of false prophets, that is why we must not believe in all that we are given, but rather find the truth out ourselves from all the sources. Be it the bible, the priest, the church or the Vatican and the pope.
It is when we believe in all that they, the Catholic Church, throws at us that we become extremists and cause harm rather than good. A typical example are the radical retards of different religions, instead of following the peaceful ways, chose to believe in violence and destruction, or simply put terrorism.
So to conclude my POV, find out whats right rather than believe in everything.
Originally posted by crimsontactics:What is written may not be true. You have to understand that the bible is not the direct word from god, but rather a compliation of what man presume god would say. You also have to take in the different factors like corruption and misleading which are weaknesses of man. These further lowers the quality and quantity of facts in the bible.
Now I'm not discrediting the bible. Rather i find that we should use our common sense to analyse and interpret whether what that is written is true and useful. God had blessed us with knowlegde and wisdom and had warn us of false prophets, that is why we must not believe in all that we are given, but rather find the truth out ourselves from all the sources. Be it the bible, the priest, the church or the Vatican and the pope.
It is when we believe in all that they, the Catholic Church, throws at us that we become extremists and cause harm rather than good. A typical example are the radical retards of different religions, instead of following the peaceful ways, chose to believe in violence and destruction, or simply put terrorism.
So to conclude my POV, find out whats right rather than believe in everything.
actually, it is good that u have a thirst for accurate knowledge for God.i m like you..unless, we do know the greek and hebrew used for writing the scriptures, there is only one other way to knw wtf it is really being written..to trust the responsible bible translators..there is a diff btwn writers of the bible and compilers of the bible..bible does points out of false prophets but it also teaches us that the end is near and the importance of gaining accurate knowledge of God so that we can be saved..n im not talking about blind faith here..
Originally posted by domonkassyu:actually, it is good that u have a thirst for accurate knowledge for God.i m like you..unless, we do know the greek and hebrew used for writing the scriptures, there is only one other way to knw wtf it is really being written..to trust the responsible bible translators..there is a diff btwn writers of the bible and compilers of the bible..bible does points out of false prophets but it also teaches us that the end is near and the importance of gaining accurate knowledge of God so that we can be saved..n im not talking about blind faith here..
So now you are saying that armaggadon is approaching?
Ok let me just change my way of explaination, hope this can clear your doubts.
Would sitting in Church, listening to the priest blabber about some do-da-da, helps the suffering, which God had dedicated to help?
Or would using this time to go to old folks home to accompany the lonely or perhaps gathering donation, be more of a help?
If you were God, which would you prefer your creations to do?
The same concept goes to praying, one example is someone pray and pray and pray for lets say world peace. Yet, will these prayers help? Or would it be better donating for the cause?
I have seen people praying all day long and during donation time not even give a single cent. Would this help?
Originally posted by crimsontactics:So now you are saying that armaggadon is approaching?
Ok let me just change my way of explaination, hope this can clear your doubts.
Would sitting in Church, listening to the priest blabber about some do-da-da, helps the suffering, which God had dedicated to help?
Or would using this time to go to old folks home to accompany the lonely or perhaps gathering donation, be more of a help?
If you were God, which would you prefer your creations to do?
The same concept goes to praying, one example is someone pray and pray and pray for lets say world peace. Yet, will these prayers help? Or would it be better donating for the cause?
I have seen people praying all day long and during donation time not even give a single cent. Would this help?
yes..armageddon is approaching as evident in rev..so many of the signs are being fulfilled..yet even the churches does not teach that anymore i guess..
what was God's standard for his creation?to put who first?y did adam n eve die?did they put God's word 1st?
like i said, the church is a very diff story..i never did like goin to church too..the teaching usually make people turn away frm God and into the world.
would donating really helps?will man be able to salvate himself through his own means?
it is very interesting to talk to you..u do know certain stuff the churches babble on are false..
Originally posted by domonkassyu:yes..armageddon is approaching as evident in rev..so many of the signs are being fulfilled..yet even the churches does not teach that anymore i guess..
what was God's standard for his creation?to put who first?y did adam n eve die?did they put God's word 1st?
like i said, the church is a very diff story..i never did like goin to church too..the teaching usually make people turn away frm God and into the world.
would donating really helps?will man be able to salvate himself through his own means?
it is very interesting to talk to you..u do know certain stuff the churches babble on are false..
I'm not really sure about armageddon. If you mean god forgetting that he created us, yeah I think thats more likely. Haven't seen the 4 horsemen ride yet, nor the dragon being killed.
I reckon the fullproof way to go to heaven, is not to pray or w/e. it's just to be a good person. Thats it. If thats what you mean by "salvation (salvage)"
Originally posted by domonkassyu:yes..armageddon is approaching as evident in rev..so many of the signs are being fulfilled..yet even the churches does not teach that anymore i guess..
what was God's standard for his creation?to put who first?y did adam n eve die?did they put God's word 1st?
like i said, the church is a very diff story..i never did like goin to church too..the teaching usually make people turn away frm God and into the world.
would donating really helps?will man be able to salvate himself through his own means?
it is very interesting to talk to you..u do know certain stuff the churches babble on are false..
yeah same here. You seem quite a knowlegdable fellow unlike the wussie i find in every Church i been to, Protestant or Catholic, who seem to take what is given to them without questioning.
The point the Church stop proclaiming about the armaggeddon is that they realise that
1) its false, made from some man who wants to scare the hell out of others
2) Which he did and that made alot of Catholics stop coming to Church
So realising the decrease in numbers and the falseness of this topic, the Church decided to drop it.
Another question here is this, would a master destroy his own creation?
Regarding the donation, economically and socially, donation is a better way of assistance. Only morally it is deemed less important.
Originally posted by crimsontactics:yeah same here. You seem quite a knowlegdable fellow unlike the wussie i find in every Church i been to, Protestant or Catholic, who seem to take what is given to them without questioning.
The point the Church stop proclaiming about the armaggeddon is that they realise that
1) its false, made from some man who wants to scare the hell out of others
2) Which he did and that made alot of Catholics stop coming to Church
So realising the decrease in numbers and the falseness of this topic, the Church decided to drop it.
Another question here is this, would a master destroy his own creation?
Regarding the donation, economically and socially, donation is a better way of assistance. Only morally it is deemed less important.
hmm.seems like the corruption of false teaching is harming u too..
if true christians establish that everything in the bible is true,rev will also be true as it is given to john by Jehovah thru Jesus.so it has been spoken by Jehovah,so it will happen for he cannot lie.
if more people knw armageddon is nearing, would it not be reasonable to say that people will want to know what is the true meaning of armageddon and how to survive it?it will only mean more people will want to know the bible.in terms of churches, it means more revenue..in terms of true christians,means more ppl will be saved. and that they have the satisfaction of serving God by doing what he willed.
back in noah's days, God sent a global flood to destroy all things, however, he did make an exception in case of noah n his family and the animals.
as for this system of things now.God has said that it is wicked and not from him but from the devil, satan.and it brings about death and sadness. would it not make more sense to end this system and start a new perfect system where no more death and tears?
the imperfect humans will make use of donations to serve their own needs.instead of donating, we can do the hard work.also, after we gain accurate knowledge of God and how to save people. we can also engage in preaching work while helpin needy people.that way, we really teach needys to fish den jus feed them the fishes.
Originally posted by EvolutionPIG:further more, i have rarely seen a christin that is good enough to the ppl around him.. manyy of my christin friends disparage other ppl and their attitude really suks
Theres a story behind it, really. You go search protestant and catholic comparison chart you will understand.
Originally posted by Danielhuang88:I'm not really sure about armageddon. If you mean god forgetting that he created us, yeah I think thats more likely. Haven't seen the 4 horsemen ride yet, nor the dragon being killed.
I reckon the fullproof way to go to heaven, is not to pray or w/e. it's just to be a good person. Thats it. If thats what you mean by "salvation (salvage)"
hmm..the 4 horseys are out...will type out ltr when im free..the dragon is not slain yet..God never forgets.heaven is not meant for everyone as reflected in my other posts..only 144k are goin up..the rest stays put on earth to play.prayers are very impt or JC would not have taught us how to pray.nor would prayers take so much air time in the bible..
Originally posted by domonkassyu:hmm.seems like the corruption of false teaching is harming u too..
if true christians establish that everything in the bible is true,rev will also be true as it is given to john by Jehovah thru Jesus.so it has been spoken by Jehovah,so it will happen for he cannot lie.
if more people knw armageddon is nearing, would it not be reasonable to say that people will want to know what is the true meaning of armageddon and how to survive it?it will only mean more people will want to know the bible.in terms of churches, it means more revenue..in terms of true christians,means more ppl will be saved. and that they have the satisfaction of serving God by doing what he willed.
back in noah's days, God sent a global flood to destroy all things, however, he did make an exception in case of noah n his family and the animals.
as for this system of things now.God has said that it is wicked and not from him but from the devil, satan.and it brings about death and sadness. would it not make more sense to end this system and start a new perfect system where no more death and tears?
the imperfect humans will make use of donations to serve their own needs.instead of donating, we can do the hard work.also, after we gain accurate knowledge of God and how to save people. we can also engage in preaching work while helpin needy people.that way, we really teach needys to fish den jus feed them the fishes.
And how would you teach the needy to fish?
I have read about the Armaggaddon and there had been many dates at which it is predicted to occur, yet it don't....
See the problem here? How long are you going to preach something that had been constantly proven to be nothing but false talk? Are they, the Roman Church, going to do it till people claim that they are the false prophet?
And look at things scientifically, there is no one disaster which could wipe out the Earth in one strike. Not even a nuke could do that.
Originally posted by crimsontactics:And how would you teach the needy to fish?
I have read about the Armaggaddon and there had been many dates at which it is predicted to occur, yet it don't....
See the problem here? How long are you going to preach something that had been constantly proven to be nothing but false talk? Are they, the Roman Church, going to do it till people claim that they are the false prophet?
And look at things scientifically, there is no one disaster which could wipe out the Earth in one strike. Not even a nuke could do that.
the needy benefit from money,from goods.but benefit even more from a hope of everlasting life in bliss.by studying the bible with them, they are being taught to get spiritual food.
the armageddon has been spoken about since eden.JC himself says the end is near and thats ard 2k years ago.nobody, not even JC knows when the end is coming, he just know its near.only the father will know when..thats why it is being taught that we should have a waiting attitude.to be prepared for it to come.and not be caught un prepared..remember the illustration of the buggers waiting for the bridegroom to come with the light..some brought extra oil..some didnt..
many people be them christians or self proclaim prophets like nostradamus tried to predict the end of world by placing an exact date..they all failed,bcuz as above, only the father,Jehovah, know when it is coming.it is also written that all translations belongs to Jehovah God alone.
those being taught the bible and apply it and died without seeing the end of world takes heart that they need not suffer the worst and they did all their best and now have the hope of everlasting life.
scientically speakin, no 1 disaster will wipe all life out..maybe unless earth fly into the sun.but u said it...no 1 disaster..the rev makes clear that it will be more den one..accumulate and there u have it =)