Resurrection according to the bible
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
You didn't get what I wrote. read them again and this time take time to think. After that then reply back if you like.
What's there to get? Since you are so sure that your "Olahzhong" is not a delusion and as real as a "submarine" is real, what are you scared of? Check into IMH, let them examine your evidence and if they confirm that your "Olahzhong" is not a delusion and is real, why, you would be world famous and there is no need for you to try to sell your delusions in a forum. BBC, CNN and CNA will be glad to tell your story to the world.
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Originally posted by grandmaster89:
Essentially, all religion and philosophy boils down to a common theme - faith in mankind.
This hypothesis is consistent in Christianity as well.
1) The 'Gospels' were written by men centuries ago (30-100AD)
2) Men selected which books were true and termed them as Scripture (various councils in 4th century by Catholic Church) while deeming the rest as wrong. Their yardstick was their own intepretation of what was taught by the representatives of Christ at that time - Catholic Church.
3) Hence the Bible (a collection of 66 or 72 books) became God's word.
Based on this historical premises, it can be argued that faith in God is derived from faith in men and his ability to separate the inspired from the mundane.
An aethist can point out that this is hypocrisy while a religious men can point out how can we place our faith on what is unseen when we can't even trust what we can touch, feel and smell haha. :)
essentially u r not very correct.but not totally wrong..most religions are wrong..and most do not have faith in man..man can only do so much..but the point u put up is valid for modern christiandom..which of cuz is very flawed too..
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
What's there to get? Since you are so sure that your "Olahzhong" is not a delusion and as real as a "submarine" is real, what are you scared of? Check into IMH, let them examine your evidence and if they confirm that your "Olahzhong" is not a delusion and is real, why, you would be world famous and there is no need for you to try to sell your delusions in a forum. BBC, CNN and CNA will be glad to tell your story to the world.
You are not making any sense. First why do I want to convince the IMH for the existence of evil spirit? What do they got to do with evil spirit? Do men now need to proof the existence of God to IMH before testifying God's works in his life?
Second I'm not even Sinagporean and I'm not living in Singapore. So IMH doesn't have any authority wgere I live.
Tell my story to the world eh? I already am through this forum among others. Why do I need the CNN, BBC and CNA? mass coverage? And I have to confirm the existence of evil spirit through IMH before my story gets into CNN, BBC? What the IMH has got anything to do with CNN or BBC? Weird? Do you worship the IMH? You and the evil Lee Kuan Yew regime have been too reliant on the IMH to forge false diagnosis.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
You are not making any sense. First why do I want to convince the IMH for the existence of evil spirit? What do they got to do with evil spirit? Do men now need to proof the existence of God to IMH before testifying God's works in his life?
Second I'm not even Sinagporean and I'm not living in Singapore. So IMH doesn't have any authority wgere I live.
Tell my story to the world eh? I already am through this forum among others. Why do I need the CNN, BBC and CNA? mass coverage? And I have to confirm the existence of evil spirit through IMH before my story gets into CNN, BBC? What the IMH has got anything to do with CNN or BBC? Weird? Do you worship the IMH? You and the evil Lee Kuan Yew regime have been too reliant on the IMH to forge false diagnosis.
We are talking about delusions and reality, remember? When you believe that delusions are real, that your "olazhong" is real, like a submarine is real, IMH would be able to verify that wouldn't it? see your own post, 13 Jul `08, 8:57AM
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You are talking about defamation and reality. The ruler of your island tried to kill me and defamed me as being insane in 2002. Forgering false diagnosis from NUH. That's how those brave men covered their evil deeds. Hiding behind IMH power. IMH doesn't rule the world.
Free will nobody could make me to Andrew.
What you believe as a delusion is not for me. You cannot force me to think otherwise and I cannot force you to think otherwise but to tell someone to verify his sanity to the IMH is an insult Andrew.
.So for every Christian testimony the IMH needs to verify them now?
Free will andrew free will you cannot make me. I do not have to either. Why should I because you think I was delusional? Because you told me to?
Like I said I'm not even Singaporean or Singaopre PR and I do not reside in Singapore.
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dun u guys ever sleep?
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Just woke up dumbdumb
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I don't mean to ressurect an older thread but I just want to say that I put what I put here in several other Indonesian forums
and to my surprise I got a PM from one claiming to be a Moslem who is currently studying the bible and he wrote to me that what I wrote about death and what the Bible wrote about death and resurrection is actually parallel to what his Quran wrote.
He gave me several verses from his Quran that showed the parallelism.
One that attractt my attention was that according to the Quran the dead would know no difference had they been raised 1000 years later or one day later as they all would feel they had just been sleeping for a day.
Another one that catches me was that in the end of time all the dead would be raised to be judged. This is the same as what our revelation told us.
I thought somebody might be interested knowing this.
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the quran is pretty much based on the bible....not difficult to note the are many many similarities..
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
the quran is pretty much based on the bible....not difficult to note the are many many similarities..
The Catholics at least the ones on national forum are pretty much against what I wrote here. They all think they would go straight to heaven or hell rightaway.
I give them the verses for them to read if they are having difficulty with English but they refuse to even digest what the revelation wrote on the first resurrection and the resurrection on the last day when the book of life is opened. My main opposition is CCC. I beginning to think it as 666. LOL.
So a Moslem(who has read the bible) can appreciate my testimony and my compilation of bible verses than my fellow. Catholics I got flamed reeel bad. LOL.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
The Catholics at least the ones on national forum are pretty much against what I wrote here. They all think they would go straight to heaven or hell rightaway.
I give them the verses for them to read if they are having difficulty with English but they refuse to even digest what the revelation wrote on the first resurrection and the resurrection on the last day when the book of life is opened. My main opposition is CCC. I beginning to think it as 666. LOL.
So a Moslem(who has read the bible) can appreciate my testimony and my compilation of bible verses than my fellow. Catholics I got flamed reeel bad. LOL.
pretty glad u realize the truth that many cath refused to see wat the bible really teaches and thats why im not a cath..the findings of yours i can say are pretty much more accurate then wat even bishops will teach.however, just like buddha in the end chose to go back to his ancestors religion of karma, i hope u will not end up with RC as your base so that your reading of the bible will be warp.
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A LIVING TRUTH IS THE UNDERTAKER
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
pretty glad u realize the truth that many cath refused to see wat the bible really teaches and thats why im not a cath..the findings of yours i can say are pretty much more accurate then wat even bishops will teach.however, just like buddha in the end chose to go back to his ancestors religion of karma, i hope u will not end up with RC as your base so that your reading of the bible will be warp.
Well I'm not planning to switch to Protestant anytime soon.
Yes I'm beginning to see your reason domonkassyu,
The ones who are against what I wrote are mostly ordinary people while a Catholic pastor said plainly that theologically I was correct that a dead person would not be resurrected immediately but would be in a state of resting until God raised him to life.
I've had an encounter with a Catholic monk or at least who is now been given the brown robe that I knew he was once a man but he no longer is and that he has received power from God. I still remember pretty well that he was well built and I at once wanted to be like him. I thought If he could make it so could I. Whatever he endured in his life I could too. I said these things to him through my heart because I was tempted by his power. hahahahahah I've never felt wanting to be anybody else even until this day aside from that well built monk.
So I think I'll be a minority among the Catholics for now.
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It can be argued that it was the Catholic Church who gave us the NT hmmm? It was she who determined which books were inspired by comparing its writings against her own teachings? Please remember that the first time the 27 book canon existed was in the 4th century haha.So how can the CC teachings be way off the marked of her own Canon hmm? It is plain illogical.So unless Christianity is false (a possibility as stated by Islam)), I concur Catholicism teachings are truly the historical expression of Christianity hmm.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Well I'm not planning to switch to Protestant anytime soon.
Yes I'm beginning to see your reason domonkassyu,
The ones who are against what I wrote are mostly ordinary people while a Catholic pastor said plainly that theologically I was correct that a dead person would not be resurrected immediately but would be in a state of resting until God raised him to life.
I've had an encounter with a Catholic monk or at least who is now been given the brown robe that I knew he was once a man but he no longer is and that he has received power from God. I still remember pretty well that he was well built and I at once wanted to be like him. I thought If he could make it so could I. Whatever he endured in his life I could too. I said these things to him through my heart because I was tempted by his power. hahahahahah I've never felt wanting to be anybody else even until this day aside from that well built monk.
So I think I'll be a minority among the Catholics for now.
maybe u should start by goin to the gym?also, i do not urge u or any one to join the protestant church or sth..but what i do urge all who wishes to be God's follower to read the bible and differentiate humans doctrine and God's word.
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Originally posted by grandmaster89:
It can be argued that it was the Catholic Church who gave us the NT hmmm? It was she who determined which books were inspired by comparing its writings against her own teachings? Please remember that the first time the 27 book canon existed was in the 4th century haha.So how can the CC teachings be way off the marked of her own Canon hmm? It is plain illogical.So unless Christianity is false (a possibility as stated by Islam)), I concur Catholicism teachings are truly the historical expression of Christianity hmm.
this is a reason why i have not joined any churches or watever it is out there. it was the pagan roman emperor who "persuaded" the rabbis and followers of JC to compile the bible we have today. while some scriptures were not included, what we have now that is known as the bible is still trustworthy enough as ALL scriptures are INSPIRED of God.
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
maybe u should start by goin to the gym?also, i do not urge u or any one to join the protestant church or sth..but what i do urge all who wishes to be God's follower to read the bible and differentiate humans doctrine and God's word.
Gym eh. LOL. I don't think anyone alive or ever alive is even close to the shape of that broad shoulder and such prominent chest. I would say only superheroes in comics books to be a close match yet they are still not a match. Hahahahhaha. I now understand from science-tv that the shape of that kind of body is actually that of an ideal body of a man.
Yes I now read the bible when I feel to. It's not a habit I'm used to. But now I understand more especially about death and resurrection than my whole life before.
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
this is a reason why i have not joined any churches or watever it is out there. it was the pagan roman emperor who "persuaded" the rabbis and followers of JC to compile the bible we have today. while some scriptures were not included, what we have now that is known as the bible is still trustworthy enough as ALL scriptures are INSPIRED of God.
Where is your proof that pagan roman emperor 'persuaded' the Catholic Church to compile the 27 NT Canon? The compilation was the result of nearly 3 centuries worth of studies. Book by book were declared inspired - starting with the sypnotic Gospels in the 2nd century by the Catholic Bishop St Irenaus. Note that Rome was still persecuting the Church in that era.And since you are quoting 2 Tim 3:16, if your exegesis is true, why isn't the other 10 odd gospels declared true as well? Why not the Gospel of Judas, Gospel of (Proto) James etc? Those other Gospels also claimed to be inspired like 2nd Book of Timothy, but yet they were rejected...why? Its simply because self-claim isn't a method of proof. 2 Tim and the other 26 books were deem Scripture simply because it was corrobated by Catholic teachings of the 2-4th century. Hence it is akward to state the Bible (one of the many Catholic 'invention" like purgatory etc) doesn't support Catholicism :)
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Gym eh. LOL. I don't think anyone alive or ever alive is even close to the shape of that broad shoulder and such prominent chest. I would say only superheroes in comics books to be a close match yet they are still not a match. Hahahahhaha. I now understand from science-tv that the shape of that kind of body is actually that of an ideal body of a man.
Yes I now read the bible when I feel to. It's not a habit I'm used to. But now I understand more especially about death and resurrection than my whole life before.
the monk u says...remind me of uther the lightbringer from warcraft...hehe.
you are starting to look at the creations of God and basing it with the bible.a good move..from it,faith will grow stronger and truth will be shown to you as to what are words of God and of men.may Yodh Heh Waw Heh continue to bless you as u search zealously for his will
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Originally posted by grandmaster89:
Where is your proof that pagan roman emperor 'persuaded' the Catholic Church to compile the 27 NT Canon? The compilation was the result of nearly 3 centuries worth of studies. Book by book were declared inspired - starting with the sypnotic Gospels in the 2nd century by the Catholic Bishop St Irenaus. Note that Rome was still persecuting the Church in that era.And since you are quoting 2 Tim 3:16, if your exegesis is true, why isn't the other 10 odd gospels declared true as well? Why not the Gospel of Judas, Gospel of (Proto) James etc? Those other Gospels also claimed to be inspired like 2nd Book of Timothy, but yet they were rejected...why? Its simply because self-claim isn't a method of proof. 2 Tim and the other 26 books were deem Scripture simply because it was corrobated by Catholic teachings of the 2-4th century. Hence it is akward to state the Bible (one of the many Catholic 'invention" like purgatory etc) doesn't support Catholicism :)
can go wiki and search..wiki pretty good..if we are to say the bible we have now is a mere collection of books chosen by men.(no matter who started it), it will mean we will have nothing to fall back on.it is safe to say the 11 disciples of JC who are with him even now, what they had preached will be good.and their letters to congregations and to others is good spiritual food.it is a source that is from the son of God directly.
as for the gospel of judas, i read abit of it and seriously imo, it definitely serve to contradict the nature of God.its just like saying God purposely created satan to tempt men and angels to prove God is better and that satan is really a faithful servant to God but has to be destroyed.it will be so unfair of God to do it..
hence, though the bible does not contain all the scriptures be it found or still lost.it will suffice till armageddon.
and yes.RC has invented lots of "christians" teachings
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
can go wiki and search..wiki pretty good..if we are to say the bible we have now is a mere collection of books chosen by men.(no matter who started it), it will mean we will have nothing to fall back on.it is safe to say the 11 disciples of JC who are with him even now, what they had preached will be good.and their letters to congregations and to others is good spiritual food.it is a source that is from the son of God directly.
as for the gospel of judas, i read abit of it and seriously imo, it definitely serve to contradict the nature of God.its just like saying God purposely created satan to tempt men and angels to prove God is better and that satan is really a faithful servant to God but has to be destroyed.it will be so unfair of God to do it..
hence, though the bible does not contain all the scriptures be it found or still lost.it will suffice till armageddon.
and yes.RC has invented lots of "christians" teachings
Such a strange response. The Gospel of Judas is wrong because it contradicts what the sypnotic Gospels claimed? And the Sypnotic Gospels are true because it can be found in my 4th century Bible....dear me...the early christians must be time travellers.
Hence, how did the Early Christians determine which books were inspired and which were false when there was no benchmark of faith (no bible yet)?
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
.it is safe to say the 11 disciples of JC who are with him even now, what they had preached will be good.and their letters to congregations and to others is good spiritual food.it is a source that is from the son of God directly.
and yes.RC has invented lots of "christians" teachings
Ahh but only it was easy to prove that the 12 Apostles really did wrote the epistles and gospels. But none of them could be easily verified. That is why the very first "Bible" was created a heretic called Marcion which consisted of mainly 2/3 of the Gospel of Luke.We can easily view historical evidence of the Catholic Church selecting books and deeming them as inspired.
"For the blessed apostle Paul himself, following the rule of his predecessor John, writes only by name to seven Churches in the following order--to the Corinthians afirst...there is a second to the Corinthians and to the Thessalonians, yet one Church is recognized as being spread over the entire world...Howbeit to Philemon one, to Titus one, and to Timothy two were put in writing...to be in honour however with the Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline...one to the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul's name to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church...But of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all." The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177).
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Originally posted by grandmaster89:
Such a strange response. The Gospel of Judas is wrong because it contradicts what the sypnotic Gospels claimed? And the Sypnotic Gospels are true because it can be found in my 4th century Bible....dear me...the early christians must be time travellers.
Hence, how did the Early Christians determine which books were inspired and which were false when there was no benchmark of faith (no bible yet)?
u mean checking the wiki is strange??for one, JC during his ministry has often quoted the so called Old Testament or the hebrew scriptures and one often will hear him say, it is written.hence forth, the books he quote from cannot be false. he was there when the writers were inspired by God himself, JC was also there when the things happened.hence we are quite clear on the hebrew part. now for the greek scriptures or New Testaments.the apostles were taught directly by the man.JC also said they were filled with Holy Spirit so that it might lead them to teach the word in different tongues.(by this i do not mean the queer practice of churches now that members starts to make strange utterance n sounds they call speaking in tongues).
n the sacarstic note of time travel, nope. but things got carried down.
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Originally posted by grandmaster89:
Ahh but only it was easy to prove that the 12 Apostles really did wrote the epistles and gospels. But none of them could be easily verified. That is why the very first "Bible" was created a heretic called Marcion which consisted of mainly 2/3 of the Gospel of Luke.We can easily view historical evidence of the Catholic Church selecting books and deeming them as inspired.
"For the blessed apostle Paul himself, following the rule of his predecessor John, writes only by name to seven Churches in the following order--to the Corinthians afirst...there is a second to the Corinthians and to the Thessalonians, yet one Church is recognized as being spread over the entire world...Howbeit to Philemon one, to Titus one, and to Timothy two were put in writing...to be in honour however with the Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline...one to the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul's name to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church...But of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all." The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177).
dude. if we were to factor in catholics, den nth will make sense.no matter how pure a teaching is originally, it will always turn out quite differently.jus like how humans always have to screw up..