Now that we know what happens to the dead. We need to know when Christians would be raised.
For those of you that didn’t read the thread death according to the bible let me summarize the verses for you here, a quick reminder of sort
Death above all without being raised by God is not an immediate transition to another life. If we died our state of mind would be likened to that of a sleeping person. Meaning that we would not be aware of anything including ourselves, our faith and God, time and our relationship with anyone including those who have died. In short the dead would become as if they were nothing.
Here are the verses that support the belief that being dead is likened to sleeping.
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John 11:1-43, Jesus brings Lazarus to life. I begin at verse 11-14
[read the bible to get the full story]
The he[Jesus] told them, “Our friend Lazarus is asleep, and I’m going there to wake him up.”
They replied, “Lord, if he’s asleep, he’ll get better.” Jesus really meant that Lazarus was dead, but they thought he was talking only about sleep.
Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead! I’m glad that I wasn’t there, because now you’ll have a chance to put your faith in me. Let’s go to him.
Verse 23
Jesus told her, “Your brother will live again!”
Martha answered, “I know that he’ll be raised to life on the last day, when all the dead are raised.”
Jesus then said, “I am the one who raises the dead to life! Everyone who has faith in me will live, even if they die. And everyone who has lives because of faith in me will never really die. Do you believe this?”
Let's look at Job. Job knows what awaits him after death. That he would descend to the kingdom of death until 'the sky disappears' that is until the last day when the Lord promised to raised the believers from their death.
What Job and Martha believes represent what the Jews believe. Jesus and his disciples were all Jewish.
Job 14: 10-12
Humans are different- we die, and that’s the end.
We are like streams and lakes after the water has gone;
We fall into the sleep of death, never to rise again until the sky disappears.
Job 17: 13:-16
I could tell the world below to prepare me a bed.
Then I could greet the grave as my father and say to the worms, “Hello, mother and sisters!”
But what kind of hope is that?
Will it keep me company in the world of the dead?
In the following verse Job realizes that the Messiah lives and is coming. That he would be raised from his sleep of death at the end and though his current body would be destroyed, from his new body he would see God.
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Job 19: 25:-27
I know that my Savior lives,
And at the end he will stand on this earth.
My flesh may be destroyed,
Yet from this body I will see God.
Yes, I will see him myself, and I long for that moment
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Now the next question that we should ask is when we Christians be raised from our death. Here is what Jesus promised us.
According to Mark, Matthew, Luke and John Jesus promised His believers that He would rise them up on the last day. So it takes the Lord for us to be risen from our death. And Jesus our Lord will raise us up on the last day.
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John 6:22-59 The bread that gives life
Verse 38
I didn't come from heaven to do what I want! I came to do what the Father wants me to do. He sent me, and he wants to make certain that none of the ones he has given me will be lost. Instead, he wants me to raise them to life on the last day.
Verse 43
Jesus told them,
Stop grumbling! No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me makes them want to come. But if they do come, I will raise them to life on the last day.
Verse 53
Jesus answered:
I tell you for certain that you won't live unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man. But if you do eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will have eternal life, and I will raise you to life on the last day.
Now when is exactly this last day.
For talking about resurrection we need to read what Paul had said in 1 Corinthians 15. read the whole of it for your understanding.
1 Corinthians 15:22-24
Adam brought dead to all of us, and Christ will bring life to all of us. But we must each wait our turn. Christ was the first to be raised to life, and his people will be raised to life when he returns. Then after Christ has destroyed all powers and forces, the end will come, and he will give the kingdom to God the Father.
So according to Paul the dead would be raised in 3 phases or batches.
Now we need to know where in the bible that tells us Jesus second coming.
Here's the second coming of Christ as foretold in revelation 19:11-16
The rider on the white horse,
I looked and saw that heaven was open, and a white horse was there. Its rider was called Faithful and True, and he is always fair when he judges or goes to war. He had eyes like flames of fire, and he was wearing a lot of crowns. His name was written on him, but he was the only one who knew what the name meant.
The rider wore a robe that was covered with blood, and he was known as "The Word of God." He was followed by armies from heaven that rode on horses and were dressed in pure white linen. from his mouth a sharp sword went out to attack the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod and will show the fierce anger of God All-Powerful by trampling the grapes in the pit where wine is made. On the part of the robe that covered his thigh was written, "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."
That foretold the second coming of Christ.
And just as what Paul had said, this second coming of the Lord is the first phase when the Lord would raise his people.
Revelation 20:4-6 The thousand years
I saw thrones, and sitting on those thrones were the ones who had been given the right to judge. I also saw the souls of the people who had their heads cut off because they had told about Jesus and preached God's message. They were the same ones who hadn't worshipped the beast or the idol, and they had refused to let its mark be put on their hands or foreheads. They will come to life and rule with Christ for 1000 years.
These people are the first to be raised to life, and they are especially blessed and holy. The second death has no power over them. They will be priests for God and Christ and will rule with them for 1000 years.
No other dead people were raised to life until 1000 years later.
So Jesus in his second coming would raise his people who are especially blessed and holy. Those who refused to worship the beast or the idol. And those who were martyred. So Jesus came the 2nd time to raise His chosen people.
What about the rest of us who may not be so holy or blessed? Those people would have to wait for the third phase that Paul had said. The end. Here is what the bible tells us about the end.
Revelation 20:11-15 The judgment at the great white throne
I saw a great white throne with someone sitting on it. earth and heaven tried to run away, but there was no place for them to go. I also saw all the dead people standing in front of that throne. every one of them was there, no matter who they had once been. Several books were opened, and then the book of life was opened. The dead were judged by what the book said they had done.
The sea gave up the dead people who were in it, and death and its kingdom also gave up their dead. Then everyone was judged by what they had done. afterwards, death and its kingdom were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Anyone whose name wasn't written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire
The sea refers to a plane below the earth, it’s the same plane of the world of the dead or the kingdom of death. It doesn’t necessarily be below the earth surface but it means that the state of life there is lower than in the higher plane because there is no life in it. Just like the earth is a lower plane than the heaven.
So according to this verse all the dead are judged at the end of time that is on the last day where the kingdom of death finally gave up their stock of dead people. And the dead would be gathered to be judged. In the end anyone whose name wasn't written in the book of life was thrown into hell. So it's either heaven or hell in the end. And what kind of people whose name would not be in the book of life? Read the following,
Revelation 21: 8
But I will tell you what will happen to cowards and to everyone who is unfaithful or dirty minded or who murders or is sexually immoral or uses witchcraft or worships idol or tells lies. They will be thrown into the lake of fire and burning sulphur. This is the second death.
So make sure my brothers and sisters that you are not among those who would be thrown into the lake of fire that was meant to punish satan and his angels. In the end the kingdom of death would be left empty. The dead would either be condemned to hell or be allowed to live eternal life(to eat the fruit of life) and live wit God. Knowing this I hope what I wrote here serve a meaningful purpose for your life as a Christian. I’m not perfect too and while compiling this I’ve made my decision to try to be a better Christian. Trying to catch the first plane out of the kingdom of death would be nice. As long as I don't get thrown into the fire.
God bless and always be strong in Christ.
ps: Could the moderator fix the texts that are supposed to be in bold? They are not showing in bold. It would be a lot easier for people to grasp what I write if they had been bold as they are supposed to be. Only two texts are showing in bold weird.
Hope all you want and feel better. But I tell you that it is better to face reality and live in reality. Only then can you find true happiness. Chrtistians must live up to the standards set for them. "Love your neighbour"... hahaha... it benefits people like me. If you cannot do it, don't live in a delusion.
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Hope all you want and feel better. But I tell you that it is better to face reality and live in reality. Only then can you find true happiness. Chrtistians must live up to the standards set for them. "Love your neighbour"... hahaha... it benefits people like me. If you cannot do it, don't live in a delusion.
Why do you think I or anybody else live in delusion? Because I compiled what I wrote? God's words is as real as it can be. And you mocking here is practising loving thy neighbor? I found it weird. If you do not know anything shut the hell up will you? Delusion eh? I could have saved a whole nation because of what God told me. And what could you do by your own power? Mock us? Before writing here pls give them some thoughts.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Why do you think I or anybody else live in delusion? Because I compiled what I wrote? God's words is as real as it can be. And you mocking here is practising loving thy neighbor? I found it weird. If you do not know anything shut the hell up will you? Delusion eh? I could have saved a whole nation because of what God told me. And what could you do by your own power? Mock us? Before writing here pls give them some thoughts.
you must understand....
"delusion" is andrew's favorite word - which he use on others. the fact is, andrew is the delusional one. just check out any of his posts or visit his website that states that he is a writer with a book in hand, yet you will never find that book in the market.
I believe there is some truth in the saying that 'hurt people hurt people' since I almost became one of them.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Why do you think I or anybody else live in delusion? Because I compiled what I wrote? God's words is as real as it can be. And you mocking here is practising loving thy neighbor? I found it weird. If you do not know anything shut the hell up will you? Delusion eh? I could have saved a whole nation because of what God told me. And what could you do by your own power? Mock us? Before writing here pls give them some thoughts.
How else would you describe believing in something without evidence? You say, "God's words is as real as it can be" and where is the evidence that it is "God's words" and that it is "as real as it can be"?
You said: "I could have saved a whole nation because of what God told me" and where is the evidence that it is "God" and not "Devil"? (Not that there is any evidence of either, you understand.)
You "could have saved a whole nation"? Wow maybe you should actively seek help.
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:How else would you describe believing in something without evidence?
.... the same way you believe you are a writer...
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
How else would you describe believing in something without evidence? You say, "God's words is as real as it can be" and where is the evidence that it is "God's words" and that it is "as real as it can be"?
You said: "I could have saved a whole nation because of what God told me" and where is the evidence that it is "God" and not "Devil"? (Not that there is any evidence of either, you understand.)
You "could have saved a whole nation"? Wow maybe you should actively seek help.
Because I'm not the devil's own obviously.
You know there is this one really wealthy man who is righteous and who fear and put his faith in God. His life is full of good things and never lacking in anything good. He lend his money to many but borrow from none. His life is truly blessed.
Is there any reason for this man who put his faith in God to even to suspect that his blessings came from the devil?
Of course not.
Seeking help yea got any Israeli contact? I needed an Israeli contact perhaps I will need it again in the future in case I have to tell them anything. PM me will ya?
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Because I'm not the devil's own obviously.
You know there is this one really wealthy man who is righteous and who fear and put his faith in God. His life is full of good things and never lacking in anything good. He lend his money to many but borrow from none. His life is truly blessed.
Is there any reason for this man who put his faith in God to even to suspect that his blessings came from the devil?
Of course not.
Seeking help yea got any Israeli contact? I needed an Israeli contact perhaps I will need it again in the future in case I have to tell them anything. PM me will ya?
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"Because I'm not the devil's own obviously." End Quote
How would you know that? If you believe in the devil, then you believe the 'devil' to be cunning and sneaky. How would you know that you are not?
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You know there is this one really wealthy man who is righteous and who fear and put his faith in God. End Quote
I think Tang's chairman is a believer and now that he is facing jail-time, God failed him?
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"I needed an Israeli contact perhaps I will need it again in the future in case I have to tell them anything." End Quote
You should seriously seek help. The contact will simply laugh in your face if he does not call the IMH ambulance. Wake up to reality OK?
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Quote:
"I needed an Israeli contact perhaps I will need it again in the future in case I have to tell them anything." End Quote
You should seriously seek help. The contact will simply laugh in your face if he does not call the IMH ambulance. Wake up to reality OK?
I don't care if they laughed at me because I would speak the truth. I would not try in vain to convince anyone because I speak the truth and it would happen. If they didn't believe in what I said fine because they would eventually. I would however try in vain to convince other if my intentions were only to deceive people.
If they called the IMH ambulance I would sue them to bankruptcy however. Because in a fair trial I would surely win everytime.
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
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"Because I'm not the devil's own obviously." End Quote
How would you know that? If you believe in the devil, then you believe the 'devil' to be cunning and sneaky. How would you know that you are not?
Because the last evil who tried to scare and overpowered me ran when I cried to God. It was called Olahzhong.
Because everything that God had told me in advance have always happened.
Because every heart that God had allowed me to know is true
Because God answered me when I needed sign and consolation from my troubles
Because God had allowed me to see Him in glory.
Because what God had revealed to me on the secret of the kingdom of death is confirmed through the bible and my pastor(I'm a Catholic).
Because most of all I still believe in God despite everything that have happened. And I still believe in God because He has showed me that I never walked my path alone. My God is truly a living God!
Now I can proudly say that I fear no evil because the Lord would set me free!
I wish I can say the same for people though. I'm still learning though
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
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You know there is this one really wealthy man who is righteous and who fear and put his faith in God. End Quote
I think Tang's chairman is a believer and now that he is facing jail-time, God failed him?
I do not know about this chairman of Tang and whether he was really righteous and how do you tell if the man was really righteous unless you know him really well but
you know the apostles were put in jail by Herod. John the baptist was put in jail and was beheaded by authority. Paul was beheaded too. Peter was crucified to death by the Roman authority.
The jewish people who believed in Jesus were chased out Jewsih meeting and forbidden to enter the synagogue.
Not everyone who is incarcerated by the authority is guilty of crime Andrew.
And one false prophet doesnt make the whole prophets false either.
Andrew you didn't even read what I wrote in my first post did you? Just trolling
I know where I'm going when I die Andrew do you know where you are going? We are nothing andrew only to live for a shortwhile before disappearing forever. Our only hope is God Andrew.
So read my first post
We don't own our money in the bank, we do not own our beautiful wife, we do not own our own children, we do not own our own company, we do not own our own wealth, we do not own our own mind and heart, we do not own our own family and relatives, we do not own our own condo, we do not own our own mansion, we do not own our own luxury cars. We do not own anything at all. Except time Andrew. All we got is time. In an ever decreasing amount that is.
In the end what you do with your time is all we got Andrew that is all we got. Our deeds is all we got Andrew to decide between our life or our death.
Essentially, all religion and philosophy boils down to a common theme - faith in mankind.
This hypothesis is consistent in Christianity as well.
1) The 'Gospels' were written by men centuries ago (30-100AD)
2) Men selected which books were true and termed them as Scripture (various councils in 4th century by Catholic Church) while deeming the rest as wrong. Their yardstick was their own intepretation of what was taught by the representatives of Christ at that time - Catholic Church.
3) Hence the Bible (a collection of 66 or 72 books) became God's word.
Based on this historical premises, it can be argued that faith in God is derived from faith in men and his ability to separate the inspired from the mundane.
An aethist can point out that this is hypocrisy while a religious men can point out how can we place our faith on what is unseen when we can't even trust what we can touch, feel and smell haha. :)
Halt.
We digress.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Because the last evil who tried to scare and overpowered me ran when I cried to God. It was called Olahzhong.
Because everything that God had told me in advance have always happened.
Because every heart that God had allowed me to know is true
Because God answered me when I needed sign and consolation from my troubles
Because God had allowed me to see Him in glory.
Because what God had revealed to me on the secret of the kingdom of death is confirmed through the bible and my pastor(I'm a Catholic).
Because most of all I still believe in God despite everything that have happened. And I still believe in God because He has showed me that I never walked my path alone. My God is truly a living God!
Now I can proudly say that I fear no evil because the Lord would set me free!
I wish I can say the same for people though. I'm still learning though
Check in to IMH, tell them about "Olahzhong". Show them the evidence you have of this "Olahzhong" and if they review your evidence and pronounce that you are telling the truth and is not in a delusion. Good for you. Don't do it for me. Do it for yourself, please.
Imagine a member of a unknown tribe from the jungles of Papua New Guinea, is taken to a city (Jarkarta) for a day, and then returned to the tribe.
Never having seen or known of the modern world, how would he describe what he saw to his people, in his own language. His narrative then translated verbatim into Boyan, and then the Boyan version is translated into Bahasa Indonesia, and the Bahasa Indonesia translated into American-version English. The final story would be something like the Bible in English. You got to try figure out what was the original story.
So when you read something like this:
I saw a great white throne with someone sitting on it. earth and heaven tried to run away, but there was no place for them to go. I also saw all the dead people standing in front of that throne. every one of them was there, no matter who they had once been. Several books were opened, and then the book of life was opened. The dead were judged by what the book said they had done.
The sea gave up the dead people who were in it, and death and its kingdom also gave up their dead. Then everyone was judged by what they had done. afterwards, death and its kingdom were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Anyone whose name wasn't written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire
remember my primitive friend.
Because it would be from someone unknown narrator, translated into Hebrew, translated into Greek, and then translated into old-English (King James version), then translated into the New International Version.
For someone that describes it as: "I saw a great white throne with someone sitting on it. earth...."
He was "taken by someone" to an unknown place or "taken by a mushroom", "of the genus Psilocybe"?
History
Early
Several mesolithic rock paintings from Tassili n'Ajjer (a prehistoric North African site identified with the Capsian culture) have been identified by author Giorgio Samorini as depicting the shamanic use of mushrooms, possibly Psilocybe.[3]
Hallucinogenic mushrooms have a history that dates back as far as 1 million years ago, originating in East Africa. Early hominids such as Homo africanus, Homo boisei, and the omnivorous Homo habilis expanded their original diets of fruit and small animals to include underground roots, tubers, and corms.[4] It is said[who?] that at this particular time, early hominids gathered Psilocybin mushrooms off the African grasslands and ate them as part of their diet. With the domestication of cattle, Hominids found themselves within greater proximity to cattle, and thus, increased contact with the mushrooms because many species commonly grow on cattle dung.[citation needed] The Psilocybin-containing mushrooms that were thought to have grown on the grasslands at that time were the Panaeolus species and Stropharia cubensis, also called Psilocybe cubensis, which is the famous "Magic Mushroom" widely distributed today. .[5]
Hallucinogenic species of Psilocybe have a history of use among the native peoples of Mesoamerica for religious communion, divination, and healing, from pre-Columbian times up to the present day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin_mushrooms
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Check in to IMH, tell them about "Olahzhong". Show them the evidence you have of this "Olahzhong" and if they review your evidence and pronounce that you are telling the truth and is not in a delusion. Good for you. Don't do it for me. Do it for yourself, please.
Why do I want to convince them about evil spirit or demon?
I have friends who had been choked by demon and freed when they ask for God's help. It's pretty common.
You are not making sense Andrew.
You have seen a submarine travelling at 200m underwater? But you believed it. Why? Because men tell you it could? Because you trust them?
Imagine telling a tribe who hasb't known the iron age and try telling them of iron and the iron made weapons that could break their bronze tools.
Originally posted by mancha:Imagine a member of a unknown tribe from the jungles of Papua New Guinea, is taken to a city (Jarkarta) for a day, and then returned to the tribe.
Never having seen or known of the modern world, how would he describe what he saw to his people, in his own language. His narrative then translated verbatim into Boyan, and then the Boyan version is translated into Bahasa Indonesia, and the Bahasa Indonesia translated into American-version English. The final story would be something like the Bible in English. You got to try figure out what was the original story.
So when you read something like this:
I saw a great white throne with someone sitting on it. earth and heaven tried to run away, but there was no place for them to go. I also saw all the dead people standing in front of that throne. every one of them was there, no matter who they had once been. Several books were opened, and then the book of life was opened. The dead were judged by what the book said they had done.
The sea gave up the dead people who were in it, and death and its kingdom also gave up their dead. Then everyone was judged by what they had done. afterwards, death and its kingdom were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Anyone whose name wasn't written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire
remember my primitive friend.
Because it would be from someone unknown narrator, translated into Hebrew, translated into Greek, and then translated into old-English (King James version), then translated into the New International Version.
Remember my advanced friends that only the truly brightest person could see the handprints of God everywhere in this universe. The others just think of themselves smart and pretended to know everyhting and think and act likewise like a fool.
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
For someone that describes it as: "I saw a great white throne with someone sitting on it. earth...."
He was "taken by someone" to an unknown place or "taken by a mushroom", "of the genus Psilocybe"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin_mushrooms
Asshole (or arsehole in British English) is slang for the anus and can be used to describe an unpleasant person. It is formed from arse, which according to the Oxford English Dictionary has been used since the 11th century to refer to the rump of an animal and since the 14th century to refer to a person's buttocks. The combined form arsehole is first attested from 1500 in its literal use to refer to the anus. The metaphorical use of the word to refer to the worst place in a region (e.g., "the arsehole of the world") is first attested in print in 1865; the use to refer to a contemptible person is first attested in 1933.[1] But as with other vulgarities, these uses of the word may have been common in oral speech for some time before their first print appearances.
The word is mainly used as a profanity towards someone the speaker does not like or whose behavior is hurtful, self-centered, or particularly abrasive. Usually, the term is directed at a male (in female anatomy, the focus is deflected to the nearby genitals; see cunt). It may also sometimes be used to describe people who are viewed as stupid or useless or even meaningless, similar to wanker.
This word or its literal translation is found in colloquial speech in a number of cultures (in both English and other languages). This is because it describes an organ of elimination that is considered a taboo region (since it belongs to the intimate parts) of the body in many societies.
The English word ass (meaning donkey, a cognate of its zoological name Equus asinus) may also be used as a term of contempt, referring to a silly or stupid person. In North America, the words arse and ass have become synonymous; however, in the rest of the English-speaking world, ass still only refers to the donkey, rather than the arse (buttocks). It is worth noting that speakers of some varieties of English “drop their Rs” before consonants, leading to a pronunciation of arse that is quite similar to ass.
Until the early 1990s, the word was considered one of a number of words that could not be uttered on commercial television in the United States. Comedian Andrew Dice Clay caused a major shock when he uttered the word during a televised awards show in the 1980s. However, there were PG-13 and R rated films in the 1980s that featured use of the word, such as "The Terminator" (1984) and the PG-13 "National Lampoon Christmas Vacation" (1989) and "Back to The Future II" (1989). By 1994, however, the word was considered less vulgar and was featured in dialog on the long-running television series NYPD Blue, though it has yet to become anything close to commonplace on network TV. It is important to note that while the word arse has found a place on broadcast television, arsehole is not used, probably due to its more vulgar connotation. In some broadcast edits (such as the syndication airings of South Park), the word is partially bleeped out—ironically, as "arseh---", with the profane half of the word intact.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Why do I want to convince them about evil spirit or demon?
I have friends who had been choked by demon and freed when they ask for God's help. It's pretty common.
You are not making sense Andrew.
You have seen a submarine travelling at 200m underwater? But you believed it. Why? Because men tell you it could? Because you trust them?
Imagine telling a tribe who hasb't known the iron age and try telling them of iron and the iron made weapons that could break their bronze tools.
Wow, you do not know how to tell whether something is real or not? You do not know how to tell whether a submarine travelling at 200m underwater is a fact or a delusion?
No wonder you can't tell that "Olahzhong" is a delusion.
You didn't get what I wrote. read them again and this time take time to think. After that then reply back if you like.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:You didn't get what I wrote. read them again and this time take time to think. After that then reply back if you like.
But how do can believe in the NT when it was the catholic Church who chose them? I mean what is so special about that NT Canon as opposed to Marcion's one etc? Or was it you who decided which books were inspired and coincidentally it matches the CC NT ones?
Remember my advanced friend that only the truly brightest person could see the hand prints of Man everywhere in this planet. The others just think of themselves godly and pretended to know everything, and think and act likewise, like a fool.