hmm hey, i posted this in the catholic forum, but i got no answer.
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i want to know, cuz my friend, she told me that she believes that even if a person nv receive christ, he can still goto heaven, just take a longer route. she's a catholic, so i want to know, is it just her opinion or do catholics really do believe that?
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Wah lau eh....that means want to be christians also cannot celabrate CNY and take ang pao liao ah?
technically...no to all other holidays..by the way, holidays is derived from holy day.only God is holy as in holy of holiest.
but nowadays got people care one mehz??
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:hmm hey, i posted this in the catholic forum, but i got no answer.
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i want to know, cuz my friend, she told me that she believes that even if a person nv receive christ, he can still goto heaven, just take a longer route. she's a catholic, so i want to know, is it just her opinion or do catholics really do believe that?
wa piang dumbdumb..in the end is a she or he???dun knw why people believe they will go heaven if receive jc/yeshua. very plain in the bible only 144000 will go.all others stay on earth to r&r and r.o.c..
mainstream also twist til like this den still can call others as cults and heretics..sad..no wonder some will say christiandom will suffer very jialat at armageddon..
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
wa piang dumbdumb..in the end is a she or he???dun knw why people believe they will go heaven if receive jc/yeshua. very plain in the bible only 144000 will go.all others stay on earth to r&r and r.o.c..mainstream also twist til like this den still can call others as cults and heretics..sad..no wonder some will say christiandom will suffer very jialat at armageddon..
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and that's JW teaching lor, which is recognised as cultic. (sounds like a good way to keep the flock in check)
Anyway if you look at it chronologically, later on, the rest of the dead ressurect, and are judged, and if their names are not found in the book of life, they are thrown into the lake of fire along with death and hades.
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:she.
and that's JW teaching lor, which is recognised as cultic. (sounds like a good way to keep the flock in check)
Anyway if you look at it chronologically, later on, the rest of the dead ressurect, and are judged, and if their names are not found in the book of life, they are thrown into the lake of fire along with death and hades.
nonononnono....
look at any bible and we can see clearly the idea of the meek,most humans will inherit the earth.no1 can dispute that fact ya? the garden of eden was on earth too ya. God also told adam to go fuck and populate the earth ya..i meant procreate. if humans were to go heaven, would be pretty stupid not to create eden in the heaven realm ya?
during armageddon and after the 1k years of jc/Yeshua reign, those not in the scroll of life will die with satan.this part is true.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:nonononnono....
look at any bible and we can see clearly the idea of the meek,most humans will inherit the earth.no1 can dispute that fact ya? the garden of eden was on earth too ya. God also told adam to go fuck and populate the earth ya..i meant procreate. if humans were to go heaven, would be pretty stupid not to create eden in the heaven realm ya?
during armageddon and after the 1k years of jc/Yeshua reign, those not in the scroll of life will die with satan.this part is true.
i'm not looking at the bible now, but that garden of eden is part of the old earth.
it's only (if i am not mistaken), at the last chapter, the new heaven and new earth is created, and those whose names are found in the book of life, will live together with Him, in this new heaven and new earth.
i believe that the 14400 is a gross misrepresentation and misinterpretation because it conflicts with the bible chronologically and logically.
what you said about the 14400 does conflict with it chronologically and logically. if it is only meant for 14400 to be saved, why bother with raising the dead since Jesus already has his 14400?
and remember that God desires that all to be saved. That's why I don't agree with predestination either, that God has already chosen who is to be saved etc.
the difference between christianity, and everything else is the unique fact that we start with the confidence of our salvation, we don't do anything, while being unsure that we are loved and saved. How can anyone love God while feeling jittery about the love he receives?
It is not that we love God, but God first loved us, and demostrated that love for us. Unless you believe in a backstabbing God who promises us great things like LKY only to screw us over at the end. which don't make sense logically to me either.---dumbdumb
even when jc/Yeshua has his fellow heirs of the 144k. the people that are resurrcted consists of some of the 144k. as well as the other flock..they are resurrected to enjoy life. this is in harmony with your God desires all to be saved.
but then people will ask den y dont save satan n frens?christians have a good start cuz when a person accept christ, he is sumthing like a premier member. unless he fall away frm God then sure wun be saved.
btw, the only predestined stuff in bible was yeshua's death since it was agrred between him and Yodh He Waw He. but should the human yeshua ever decide not to die for human, we also ll..God will also ll..maybe i should rephrased to an agreement instead of predestiny.
bible also states there is no destiny and luck..so i also dun knw where certain mainstrem churches get the idea from to teach people that.