Originally posted by domonkassu:
for the JW..they believe in JC as the son of God as stated in the bible. the almighty God is not a 3in1 God head. in this part, they are a little like Judaism..however, they believed truly that JC is the messiah and redeemer. just that JC aint no God.
core beliefs are that God, Jehovah, is the supreme being that has the right to rule all creation. JC the boy will support fully whatever the Dad wills.HS is a breath of God.
the so called armageddon is a period of time for dead loved ones to be resurrected so they can be judged and learn about Jehovah God.( this is the same God as Yahweh, Yodh He Waw He). all this will be inconjunction with the restoration of the planet and human body. while satan and frens is in the pit for 1k years. after the 1 k years, satan will be released for a final test.all who side him again will die.
btw, they do not believe in immortality of the spirit,hell fire,idolatries,xmas and easter.
basically, core beliefs = adhering to the bible lor.
How about the 7 main feasts of the LORD, JW also celebrate these feasts? How about the sabbath and the 613 law of Moses?
Originally posted by domonkassyu:btw, they do not believe ......xmas and easter.
basically, core beliefs = adhering to the bible lor.
Just to be cheeky....
If christmas and easter are pagan religions, is christianity itself a cult since it has gone away from the core beliefs of the bible?
Originally posted by Creation1656:How about the 7 main feasts of the LORD, JW also celebrate these feasts? How about the sabbath and the 613 law of Moses?
they only got the Lord's evening meal as in the last supper of JC. the bread and red wine which is JC body and blood. they do it once a year.
no sabbath..the mosiac law was considered fufilled by the arrival of JC.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Just to be cheeky....
If christmas and easter are pagan religions, is christianity itself a cult since it has gone away from the core beliefs of the bible?
wah piang..trying to harm me ar..if i say the truth sure get
shoot everywhere..worse still i will be targetted as flaming religious
war.
i will try to rectify this as politically correct as possible.
firstly, i did not say christmas and easter are pagan religions. i do say JWs do not celebrate it.
2ndly, no where in bible was stated when was JC born. as much as we can estimate is a clear sky with shepards out in the plains. they used hebrew calandar. which equates to roughly the month of nisan as the JWs deduced.
3rd, the romans happen to celebrate the bday of their pagan sun god on 25th dec dated using the gregorian calandar. this could be just a co incidence as they are "consolidating" the bible and christians beliefs.
4th, an exact practice just like easter was also practiced by the paganistic romans.same bunny, same egg thingy. though the bible made no mention of a bunny with egg was seen or refered to when JC was resurrected, the bunny somehow turn up for the party.
of cuz i would not say christianity is a cult like how christianity branded mormons,jws etc as cults cuz im jus a nobody. and people in power very often will use whatever tools they have to serve their own needs. including using religions..tink osama.
no religion now is perfectly correct. everyone claims God on their side of the field.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Just to be cheeky....
If christmas and easter are pagan religions, is christianity itself a cult since it has gone away from the core beliefs of the bible?
i dont get your statement...how can Christmas and Easter be pagan 'religions'?...Christmas marks the birth of Jesus Christ our Saviour, Easter marks the Resurrection of Jesus Christ...which is a core thing in Christianity!
Originally posted by ~b1RD_m4N~:i dont get your statement...how can Christmas and Easter be pagan 'religions'?...Christmas marks the birth of Jesus Christ our Saviour, Easter marks the Resurrection of Jesus Christ...which is a core thing in Christianity!
1stly,brey is a jew no??hes judaism..
2ndly, xmas and easter might not be originated frm christianity. =)
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
1stly,brey is a jew no??hes judaism..
Btw, Brey believe that JC is YHVH, Judaism don't believe in JC, so i think the believe that JC is YHVH will qualify Brey as believing in a type of Christianity, that is not mainstream.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
wah piang..trying to harm me ar..if i say the truth sure get shoot everywhere..worse still i will be targetted as flaming religious war.i will try to rectify this as politically correct as possible.
firstly, i did not say christmas and easter are pagan religions. i do say JWs do not celebrate it.
2ndly, no where in bible was stated when was JC born. as much as we can estimate is a clear sky with shepards out in the plains. they used hebrew calandar. which equates to roughly the month of nisan as the JWs deduced.
3rd, the romans happen to celebrate the bday of their pagan sun god on 25th dec dated using the gregorian calandar. this could be just a co incidence as they are "consolidating" the bible and christians beliefs.
4th, an exact practice just like easter was also practiced by the paganistic romans.same bunny, same egg thingy. though the bible made no mention of a bunny with egg was seen or refered to when JC was resurrected, the bunny somehow turn up for the party.
of cuz i would not say christianity is a cult like how christianity branded mormons,jws etc as cults cuz im jus a nobody. and people in power very often will use whatever tools they have to serve their own needs. including using religions..tink osama.
no religion now is perfectly correct. everyone claims God on their side of the field.
Hey Domon,
it is a pretty well known fact that the 25th of dec is not the birth date of Yeshua. Actually we are told that when Yeshua was born, the shepherds were in the field, this infers that it was not in dec.
You have actually just shot christianity in the foot with your 3rd remark, if the romans consolidate the bible and their belief in the pagan worship of the sun god by calling it the birthdate of Yeshua, then what does that make all of christianity that come after that? Idol worshippers.
Easter was never acknowledged by Yeshua nor was it ever practiced by early believers. Yeshua kept passover not easter, and it is also widely known that easter and passover may differer by about a month. It is just funny that the bunny just turned up. Do you know the history of easter?
That is the whole point of believing in Yeshua, it is not about religion, it is about personal relationship. These are very different.
Originally posted by ~b1RD_m4N~:i dont get your statement...how can Christmas and Easter be pagan 'religions'?...Christmas marks the birth of Jesus Christ our Saviour, Easter marks the Resurrection of Jesus Christ...which is a core thing in Christianity!
christmas marks the birth of the sun god, Yeshua was not born in dec, the closest Yeshua ever got to dec is september/october
passover marks the ressurection of Yeshua, not easter.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Hey Domon,it is a pretty well known fact that the 25th of dec is not the birth date of Yeshua. Actually we are told that when Yeshua was born, the shepherds were in the field, this infers that it was not in dec.
You have actually just shot christianity in the foot with your 3rd remark, if the romans consolidate the bible and their belief in the pagan worship of the sun god by calling it the birthdate of Yeshua, then what does that make all of christianity that come after that? Idol worshippers.
Easter was never acknowledged by Yeshua nor was it ever practiced by early believers. Yeshua kept passover not easter, and it is also widely known that easter and passover may differer by about a month. It is just funny that the bunny just turned up. Do you know the history of easter?
That is the whole point of believing in Yeshua, it is not about religion, it is about personal relationship. These are very different.
exactly..people are celebrating certain christian festival just because of humans doctrine. Yeshua celebrated only the passover. later he asked people to keep in memorial the covenant of the body and blood thingy.
anyway, u have just perfectly explained why we should not be celebrating certain christian festivals.
btw, xmas, the birth of the sun god.. was celebrated by mass orgies.. woo hoo.
btw, for those that knows not easter...
Modern-day Easter is derived from two ancient traditions: one Judeo-Christian and the other Pagan. Both Christians and Pagans have celebrated death and resurrection themes following the Spring Equinox for millennia. Most religious historians believe that many elements of the Christian observance of Easter were derived from earlier Pagan celebrations.
The equinox occurs each year on March 20, 21 or 22. Both Neopagans and Christians continue to celebrate religious rituals linked to the equinox in the present day. Wiccans and other Neopagans usually hold their celebrations on the day or eve of the equinox. Western Christians wait until the Sunday on or after the next full moon. The Eastern Orthodox churches follow a different calculation; their celebration is often many weeks after the date selected by the Western churches.
btw brey, Yeshua born around the month of nisan??
Originally posted by domonkassu:
no sabbath..the mosiac law was considered fufilled by the arrival of JC.
Under the mosiac law, the sabbath is to be observed by Isreal only. The sabbath law is not applicable to gentile believers in Hashem. How than can the mosiac law be considered fufilled by JC for the gentile?
Originally posted by Creation1656:Under the mosiac law, the sabbath is to be observed by Isreal only. The sabbath law is not applicable to gentile believers in Hashem.
Actually shabbat is to be observed by all who wish to follow the God of Avraham, Yitzak and Yakov. See Numbers 15:15. See also Exodus 12:49. Goyim believers in Hashem, have the same requirements to follow Shabbat. It was never changed and it is an ordinance throughout all our generations.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:btw brey, Yeshua born around the month of nisan??
Nope, in the month of Tishrei. I think Yochannan was born in the month of Nisan.
Originally posted by Creation1656:Btw, Brey believe that JC is YHVH, Judaism don't believe in JC, so i think the believe that JC is YHVH will qualify Brey as believing in a type of Christianity, that is not mainstream.
Hi creation,
I don't use JC, I use Yeshua. Very different.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Actually shabbat is to be observed by all who wish to follow the God of Avraham, Yitzak and Yakov. See Numbers 15:15. See also Exodus 12:49. Goyim believers in Hashem, have the same requirements to follow Shabbat. It was never changed and it is an ordinance throughout all our generations.
Exodus 12:49 refers to the celeberation of the Passover by both the children of Isreal and proselyte who live with them. Gentile soujourners are not allowed to celeberate the Passover in the same manner as Isreal. However a proselyte may cerebrate the passover with the children of Isreal.
Exodus 12:43-49
The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the statute of the Passover sacrifice: No estranged one may partake of it.
And every man's slave, purchased for his money you shall circumcise him; then he will be permitted to partake of it.
A sojourner or a hired hand may not partake of it.
It must be eaten in one house; you shall not take any of the meat out of the house to the outside, neither shall you break any of its bones.
The entire community of Israel shall make it.
And should a proselyte reside with you, he shall make a Passover sacrifice to the Lord. All his males shall be circumcised, and then he may approach to make it, and he will be like the native of the land, but no uncircumcised male may partake of it.
There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who resides in your midst." All the children of Israel did; as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did. It came to pass on that very day, that the Lord took the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt with their legions.
Here is a commentary by Rashi on the issue.
49. There shall be one law. [This verse comes] to liken a proselyte to a native also regarding other commandments in the Torah.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Nope, in the month of Tishrei. I think Yochannan was born in the month of Nisan.
oh..thanks..wats the Tishrei = to in gregorian calandar?? whos Yochannan when translated??thanks
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Hi creation,
I don't use JC, I use Yeshua. Very different.
Sori brey, i use JC becos many christians don't know the name Yeshua.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
oh..thanks..wats the Tishrei = to in gregorian calandar?? whos Yochannan when translated??thanks
september/october
Originally posted by Creation1656:Sori brey, i use JC becos many christians don't know the name Yeshua.
they should... : )
Originally posted by breytonhartge:september/october
ok,...thanks..how about the yochannan?? as well as the original words for peter,moses and how do one pronounce Yodh He Waw He?? is the d in Yodh silent??
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
ok,...thanks..how about the yochannan?? as well as the original words for peter,moses and how do one pronounce Yodh He Waw He?? is the d in Yodh silent??
Yochannan, is John, Peter is Kefa, Moses is Moshe. YHWH, is pronounced as Yahweh.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Yochannan, is John, Peter is Kefa, Moses is Moshe. YHWH, is pronounced as Yahweh.
thanks alot brey.. i always though YHWH is a 4 syllable word as Hebrew got no vowels..i got the 4 syllables from psalms..
Originally posted by domonkassyu:exactly..people are celebrating certain christian festival just because of humans doctrine. Yeshua celebrated only the passover. later he asked people to keep in memorial the covenant of the body and blood thingy.
anyway, u have just perfectly explained why we should not be celebrating certain christian festivals.
btw, xmas, the birth of the sun god.. was celebrated by mass orgies.. woo hoo.
Wah lau eh....that means want to be christians also cannot celabrate CNY and take ang pao liao ah?