people around me and I have been encountering too many evil christians making things difficult. Oh God if you care to chastise your children, please help. Don't talk about wait for judgement day. Before judgement day can come some of these favourite victims' rice bowls will be broken by evil christians.
It true that there are tons of christians out there who think they are doing a "heavenly job" by "spreading the good news". The intention is good but the execution is questionable because of the teachings of different churches. For your info, Jesus preach by action and not talk alone.
Hope this do not lead one to start having negative feelings about Christianity (the fault lies with christians). The faith has been around for more than 2000 years and the various historical facts associated with this faith is certianly worth something.
Before anyone write off Christianity, at least try going to different churches and find out for yourself.
There are plenty of denominations to choose from and different denominations have different doctrines. Use your wisdom to guide you and choose one that do what they preach and preach what Jesus is teaching (which you can read from the bible).
Not one that talk only as talk is cheap. If they insult you or your current belief, it is likely that they do not do what Jesus preach. Christianity is all about faith, hope and love.
Forgive christians and don't hate christianity for Jesus died for us - it's up to you to find out and belief. No offence if christinaity is not your cup of faith. God bless all.
There are black sheeps in every religion and culture... so you should not generalise...
Christianity had been abused, still is abused by some and will always be.
I'm a Catholic(read Chrisitian) and have been dismayed by many fellow Christian people and have decided not to expect anything from fellow Christians.
The reason that I'm still Christian is because I believe and have found out the truth in Christianity that Jesus is God my savior. I know that may sound fanatical but that is the truth that I've come to find living God in Christianity. I'm not a saint but I try not to deviate too much in terms of sin because I do not want to lose the grace that I've recieved from God.
I wish that I could tell you what the graces that I've recieved so far but they at least one or two of them may sound so impossible that I choose to try to keep them to myself. Yes I tell about those graces to my own family, close friends which is mostly met with indifference LOL and even in this forum but I do not insist upon them to believe me. I already have my solace that I speak the truth not fabricated lies to 'sell' Christianity. Of course some people could always defame me as being crazy or delusional but I know that I shall not be embarrassed.
well...i would say it's not the religion that's flawed BUT the people proclaiming to believe in their religion.....which religion to not have HIPPOCRATES amongst their mist..??
it's not juz Christians.....human by nature are not perfect....hence everyone, of any religion will be tempted....some will succumb whilst some may not......
u talk about money given as tithe going into building glamorious places of worship....tell me, which religion do not have its own iconic building(s) built from its followers' generousity???
in history, which religion have not had a Leader who has fallen ungraciously...????
Hi,
Don't let others affect your opinion of the Creator.
Not every person who have decided to put their faith in JESUS because they are influenced by the behaviour of Christians. It's because they believe in HIS love, HIS forgiveness and HIS plan for them.
I would say Christianity is more than just about the behaviour of Believers. It's about HIS love, plan, purpose for every individual person and for HIS Creation.
If some foreigners told you that they feel disgusted about the behaviour of the Singaporeans whom they have encountered and they don't feel any good about becoming a Singapore Citizen. They gave you a list of misdeeds of your fellow Singaporeans. Fair statement? Would you agree with their opinion? How would you feel and what would you say to them?
That's just their bad encounter ! That's doesn't mean that majority of the Singaporeans are like that! Neither majority of the Christians are like those being described in this forum.
When I was in Sec 2, I was approached by a Christian asking for me to fill up his survey form .After that, he told me some details of God and asked for my phone no, then he invited me to go to a Chruch which is just nearby, I accepted since I was free that day.
After I went to the Church and listen to the sermons, I felt really bored with what the pastor says, anyway after that I told the Christian who invited me nicely that I am not interested and left.
Since that day, that guy just kept calling every weekend inviting me to go to his Church, I felt really f***ed up every time I reject him, there was once where I even shouted f*** through the phone, but even after that he still kept calling, so I had to switch off my phone whenever I start seeing his phone no. This lasts almost 3 months.
Should Christians really need to force ppl to join their religion so desperately, anyway since that day, I believe even if there is a heaven, i would want to go hell...seriously...
Even though some christians had made offenses in disregard to the bible. It is natural cos we are all are human and humans makes mistakes. But deep down u should know that the christ exist or theres some sort of stuff watching over our every tiny steps.Dont just totally believe any christians that preach to you, hear and judge.God would not force you to join the church but plant points around you in case one day u would want to join on your own free will
Originally posted by eternity99:Hi,
Don't let others affect your opinion of the Creator.
Not every person who have decided to put their faith in JESUS because they are influenced by the behaviour of Christians. It's because they believe in HIS love, HIS forgiveness and HIS plan for them.
I would say Christianity is more than just about the behaviour of Believers. It's about HIS love, plan, purpose for every individual person and for HIS Creation.
If some foreigners told you that they feel disgusted about the behaviour of the Singaporeans whom they have encountered and they don't feel any good about becoming a Singapore Citizen. They gave you a list of misdeeds of your fellow Singaporeans. Fair statement? Would you agree with their opinion? How would you feel and what would you say to them?
That's just their bad encounter ! That's doesn't mean that majority of the Singaporeans are like that! Neither majority of the Christians are like those being described in this forum.
But also need to be careful of dubious teachings that are happening which lead to such actions by Christians. They think they are spreading the good news but............
Christians need to ensure that they are not the cause of such bad experiences.....to do that, one need to check the pastor or priest before taking his words seriously....all pastors and priest should be trained and ordained.
Just like if one is sick, they go to a qualified doctor right?
Originally posted by Kelviz.GD:When I was in Sec 2, I was approached by a Christian asking for me to fill up his survey form .After that, he told me some details of God and asked for my phone no, then he invited me to go to a Chruch which is just nearby, I accepted since I was free that day.
After I went to the Church and listen to the sermons, I felt really bored with what the pastor says, anyway after that I told the Christian who invited me nicely that I am not interested and left.
Since that day, that guy just kept calling every weekend inviting me to go to his Church, I felt really f***ed up every time I reject him, there was once where I even shouted f*** through the phone, but even after that he still kept calling, so I had to switch off my phone whenever I start seeing his phone no. This lasts almost 3 months.
Should Christians really need to force ppl to join their religion so desperately, anyway since that day, I believe even if there is a heaven, i would want to go hell...seriously...
I am a Christians and I know what you mean.....the Church I go never teach us or ask us to do that. You need to know that if you want to go to a Church, it's your free will...if you decide not to, it's also your free will.....no one can force you and don't ever let anyone forced you.
Yes, we do invite people to Churches etc....but never force or anything. But if you do go, go with an open mind.
Before you go, go read the bible....(look into Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) which is interesting like a story book. It just tells you the story of Jesus's life. Things he do and teaches...including the last supper etc...
When you have done that, your interest may be drawn to the other parts of the bible...stories in Genesis and Exdous may also excite you and give you some basis to think if you want to find out more.
So when you go to the Church, you will not be bored because you don't know wthat the pastor or priest is talking about....
Don't say you want to go to hell lah....if you want, find out what that is too....you might be suprised that most of your freinds and relatives are not there ! Then you so lonely there.....ha.ha.ha....
Those people who hate Christians knows nothing about Christianity because mostly of them thought they know everything.
Those people who hate Christians knows nothing about Christianity because mostly of them thought they know everything.
classic example of over zealousness and passion without ration..look at all the sects of nicholas out there here claiming to be christians..cath,methodist,protestants....etc..some even claim a mortal woman is the mother of God..how insulting..
all claims a super 3 in 1 divine mix.yet it is clearly so different in the bible.doctrines that contradict each other. no wonder so many mindless acolyetes "preaching" to the masses that knows nothing about christ or God. no wonder they have no interest..and in time turns to irritation and hate.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:Those people who hate Christians knows nothing about Christianity because mostly of them thought they know everything.
classic example of over zealousness and passion without ration..look at all the sects of nicholas out there here claiming to be christians..cath,methodist,protestants....etc..some even claim a mortal woman is the mother of God..how insulting..
all claims a super 3 in 1 divine mix.yet it is clearly so different in the bible.doctrines that contradict each other. no wonder so many mindless acolyetes "preaching" to the masses that knows nothing about christ or God. no wonder they have no interest..and in time turns to irritation and hate.
Mind sharing why you said what you did? How did the bible contradict? Was the mother of God not a mortal woman? Is there something wrong with the trinity? Which bible are you reading or refering to? Curious to learn your point of view as you seems to know something many of us don't.
Originally posted by PassionInAG:Those people who hate Christians knows nothing about Christianity because mostly of them thought they know everything.
That could be a reason but some christians also do not know christianity....if they think evangelisation is trying to force your belief down someone else's throat..... thinking that "we are trying to save you" and doing "God's work". Actually, they unknowingly become anti-christ by driving people away and causing people to hate christianity.
I think most of most did not really hate Christianity. They hate christians....those who do think they know christianity and think that they are some super hero trying to save the world.
Dear Mrlimkopi
the bible itself does not contradict. but the doctrines do. go through the bible a million times and you notice not once did Christ says anything about himself being God. instead, one can only see Christ subjecting himself to Yodh Heh Wah Heh the father. even the Christ knows not the hour of armageddon. but he exclaimed that the father does. know if Christ is God, can he not know?? God who has no equal subject himself to someone else? No man can see God and yet live we all know this. we also know no man has seen God. how many saw the Christ again when he was walking among people?
does this not contradict the teachings in the bible? Yodh Heh Wah Heh the alpha and omega meant He has no beginning nor end. to say a mortal mary gave birth to God means not only was God originated by a mortal sinful woman. but also made that woman in a higher position than God. again this doctrine contradicts with the teachings is it not?
til now i have not found a single pastor,church leader,so on and so forth that can clearly explain trinity to me. nor can i find it in the bible.(maybe the pope can help on this)
as most already knows, mordern christiandom was founded by constantine the roman emperor. and again most also know he is a immoral pagan who used religion to unite his people. thus a certain religion after him modelled lots of pagans' beliefs into christainity. corrupting the pure worship of 1st century christians.
also an interesting point to note is that pagans( from ancient bablyon to mordern religions) tend to worship gods/goddesses in groups of 3s and 4s or even more.more interesting is that they claim the particular deity is 3 yet one godhead.
again let us see what a typical cath has at home. usually is an alter which the ceramic idol of mary,Christ(infant or otherwise) may include some "saints".and they usually pray to God? in front of such alter,even openly addressing to mary.reminds us of something forbidden in the Bible?
Rosaries were used.but again contradict Bible. Another major thing in the bible was to be of no part of this system as said by Christ.yet look at vatican. why even the 2 world war was sparked by diff sects of christiandom.
as for what bible i read..i got them from bookstores like Popular, Mph< kino and such..even city harvest,christians shops. only bible i cant finish is cath bible.
kindly advise me on all your diff point of views that i may have more research materials.
btw,i research many types of religions.
oh btw the concept of heaven and hell..
anyone care to explain why God bother to create paradise earth(eden) if he wants humans to live in heaven?
and hell an ever lasting place of torment as punishment for a lifetime of sin does not seems fair. 70-100 odd years of wrong doing being punish to be tormented for infinity is kinda unfair aint it? if thats where sinners go, then we have a case with God for God is fair.
kindly enlighten me on this dear christians of all sects.
Just a comment, just because you're a nice person doesn't mean u will go heaven because according to christians, it would be like saying the lion won't hurt you because you have been a vegetarian all ur life. I believe in God, I just don't believe in going to church and sing some songs and get my ticket to heaven that way. For the record, I am not a Christian, but I believe in God.
as most already knows, mordern christiandom was founded by constantine the roman emperor. and again most also know he is a immoral pagan who used religion to unite his people. thus a certain religion after him modelled lots of pagans' beliefs into christainity. corrupting the pure worship of 1st century christians.
me protestant. probably dont belong in the "most already know" category.
As i know it, Constantine I didnt found modern Christiandom, it was during his reign that he called for the Council of Nicaea to consolidate a uniform Christian belief system. It was there that the Bible was canonized and to combat other false teachings out there. Within the whole situation, there were a lot of politics within (his motivation was partly to consolidate his power), and Christianity was almost taking off but a lot of people wanted to abuse this faith. It's not as if Constantine I himself was a pious believer of it too.
He couldnt have corrupted the 1st century Christians, cuz he lived in the 4th century. Time travel?
i am sure if god has all the powers in the world he would just appear in the sky to the world for ten seconds, then all the world will become christians, me included, but that didnt happen, end of story... the world is still not 100% christian after 2008 years after jesus is born.
i do not hate christians, but sometimes i do wonder if what they say is true.
Originally posted by xalkyrie:i don't think there's still one thousand years later. Jesus is coming down very soon (open your eyes and look at around us, the signs...) And the one who judges us is Him.
yeah. for 2008 years already. wheres him? I didnt see him, when the muslims burnt his churches on CNN
even, christians can't agree with themselves, with all the different factions.. protestants catholics etc etc, there are 1001 kinds of religion in the world, what do you have to convince the world? come on you got to have somthing.....
Originally posted by snowfoxx:i do not hate christians, but sometimes i do wonder if what they say is true.
like the first chapter of java programming text book says: "what better way to learn swimming, than to dive in and get wet?"
Originally posted by snowfoxx:even, christians can't agree with themselves, with all the different factions.. protestants catholics etc etc, there are 1001 kinds of religion in the world, what do you have to convince the world? come on you got to have somthing.....
true. But you don't need a big miracle to believe. What you need is a personal disaster, and have nowhere else to turn to, except for God. but are you willing to go through that?
my dad found God, when he, when struck with a face infection with no cure, was cured by God. My aunt and family found God, when she had cancer, and so many miracles occurred to them, small blessings of hope, when she's alive.
sometimes, some people need to be cut off from everything that is good, before they realise that they are indeed helpless.