Let's avoid discussion on sensitive topic ...
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
well, he did delete that note, which is more than what you can say about "intentions".... and all you have to say is "too bad"?
you are having fun but others can't? anyway taunting each other is your idea of fun? after your espousal of Christian love and brotherhood?
my intention? you tell me, afterall you seem to know me better than myself.
i am not angry, i am annoyed by your hypocrisy.
Aiyah....you suspect that I know your intention liao...so you behave like that. Dumdudmb is right that when one realised that he is wrong, the other party should encourage so that can move on.....but not to give falsehood right back thiking that he was not wrong after all. Others are crap, petty etc.....
Still cannot admit that there is a problem with sincerity?
Who taunting who? You netural? I think you are more annoyed by your own hypocrisy....
You not petty meh...you are unforgiving meh......you can love meh......?
Don't waste time lah.....
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Aiyah....you suspect that I know your intention liao...so you behave like that. Dumdudmb is right that when one realised that he is wrong, the other party should encourage so that can move on.....but not to give falsehood right back thiking that he was not wrong after all. Others are crap, petty etc.....
Still cannot admit that there is a problem with sincerity?
Who taunting who? You netural? I think you are more annoyed by your own hypocrisy....
You not petty meh...you are unforgiving meh......you can love meh......?
Don't waste time lah.....
yes, I suspect you know my intentions..... so what are they? please let it all out so that all can know. you keep going on about knowing my intentions but is unable to state them..... hmm... so you know or not?
how can one be annoyed by one's own hypocrisy??? that is factually impossible
!if one is a hypocrite, and he is annoyed with himself, that will continue to make him a hypocrite.... boy! I cannot even begin to understand the profoundness of that statement... if that can ever be true.
who's wasting time?.... like you say, you are here to have fun, so am I.
well, look at it this way, two persons apologised to two of us, on separate occasions. I accepted the apology and moved on but you go on-and-on-and-on about intentions, sincerity blah blah blah.
.... reminder... please state MY intentions so that all can know. Or you can remain silent and all will know what a hypocrite and liar you are.
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Actually, like I said previously on the other thread, these whole thing is started because some people are taking things too personally, some people are not capable of engaging discussion in a civilized and mature way.
In civilized and mature discussion, we should be able to completely detach ourselves from the topic we are discussing.
Why is it necessary to be completely de-couple ourselves from the topic? Because it will help us to see the thing clearly, because it will help us to look at the argument based on the argument itself, not based on who is making the argument. When we start to look at who is making the argument, we will without fail making assumption of the intention of the person making the argument, which in turn will turn the discussion ugly. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
yes, I suspect you know my intentions..... so what are they? please let it all out so that all can know. you keep going on about knowing my intentions but is unable to state them..... hmm... so you know or not?
how can one be annoyed by one's own hypocrisy??? that is factually impossible
!if one is a hypocrite, and he is annoyed with himself, that will continue to make him a hypocrite.... boy! I cannot even begin to understand the profoundness of that statement... if that can ever be true.
who's wasting time?.... like you say, you are here to have fun, so am I.
well, look at it this way, two persons apologised to two of us, on separate occasions. I accepted the apology and moved on but you go on-and-on-and-on about intentions, sincerity blah blah blah.
.... reminder... please state MY intentions so that all can know. Or you can remain silent and all will know what a hypocrite and liar you are.
I said I suspect your intention......I will tell you once confirmed. Let your actions speaks for itself. You avoided the sincerity issue because you know what's right in your heart. If he has not continue his way (after apologising), then nothing will happen right?
(Did the guy who apologised to you continue to taunt or irritate you? - what if he did?)
But he did as soon as you post appear....You blaming me for responding? Ha...ha..ha....
It's ok lah Chin Eng, move on as you said (and show me you can - I also expect a lot more from you)......if you think you want to attack me, go ahead lor...it's ok. It's your choice........
As you said, alll can see.......That's it!
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Aiyah....you suspect that I know your intention liao...so you behave like that.
Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:I said I suspect your intention......I will tell you once confirmed. Let your actions speaks for itself.
so at the end of the day, you don't know lah. what this suspect-this-suspect that thing? quite laughable, really.
so all those claims were for naughts.... take my advice, don't make too many dubious claims.
Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:You avoided the sincerity issue because you know what's right in your heart. If he has not continue his way (after apologising), then nothing will happen right?
When did I avoid the sincerity issue? I have already said that whatever apology that was made sounds sincere.Not just that.... in other subsequent posts, dumb2 had cooled down tremendously and attempted to engage you in a friendlier way. However an apology does not amount to agreement on the viewpoints. It was a apology for losing the temper, that's all. What did you expect, dumb2 apologised and then change his mind suddenly to agree with you?
Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:(Did the guy who apologised to you continue to taunt or irritate you? - what if he did?)
But he did as soon as you post appear....You blaming me for responding? Ha...ha..ha....
I see, so you were irritated by dumb2. That's really funny. Bear in mind the context of the apology.... and that is, he was sorry for losing his temper. So, again, in your juvenile mind, what is the reason for the apology - that he should agree with all your views or that he is just sorry for blowing his top?
You're referring to malcom??? give me a break lah. He was posting his comments, and he has every right to do so. That isn't even taunting me.....
Whaddaya mean "as soon as your post appear"? I have been posting daily and he only wrote just a while ago. He's probably busy over the past few days or maybe he has nothing else to say on this matter.
Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:It's ok lah Chin Eng, move on as you said (and show me you can - I also expect a lot more from you)......if you think you want to attack me, go ahead lor...it's ok. It's your choice........
As you said, alll can see.......That's it!
The part in BOLD... is that a promise? and I thought we are just having fun. Remember what I'd said earlier don't make any dubious claims....
No need to expect too much from me..... the folks here know.... I am not really Mr Nice Guy.
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Originally posted by malcom:
Actually, like I said previously on the other thread, these whole thing is started because some people are taking things too personally, some people are not capable of engaging discussion in a civilized and mature way.
In civilized and mature discussion, we should be able to completely detach ourselves from the topic we are discussing.
Why is it necessary to be completely de-couple ourselves from the topic? Because it will help us to see the thing clearly, because it will help us to look at the argument based on the argument itself, not based on who is making the argument. When we start to look at who is making the argument, we will without fail making assumption of the intention of the person making the argument, which in turn will turn the discussion ugly.
seeking your opinion here... there is absolutely no intention for flaming.
1. Can we complete detach ourselves from the topic we are discussion - note that the context here is our religious inclination. Note also that our religious inclination is based on our personal understanding of the scriptures.
2. When such differences in understand of the scriptures erupt, how should it be handled?
3. When there is a flaring out, one party admitted to being too hot headed and backoff with an apology, can he still continue to debate with a slightly more gentle spirit?
again, I emphasize, I only need your opinion.
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Guys, he's just having fun with you. Entertain him at your own whim.
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bleah, i've already apologised, like 5 times already, are we still on the issue whether i am sincere or not? =x
if he forgiven me, good lor, if he hasn't (and only he would know), then he isn't a very good catholic lor.
in the end, God knows whether i've been sincere or not, or whether limkopi is actually angry or not. if i'm sincere, i'll benefit from this, and will move from one level of faith to the next. if i'm not, then i'll be learning this lesson another time.
if limkopi has truly forgiven me, then he would also benefit from it, if he has not, then it'd be interesting to worship God while bearing grudges against me, which totally goes against the teaching of Christ, then he wouldn't be enjoying worshipping God (because i can't see how anyone can really worship God while bearing so much issues.)
doesn't matter, in the end, we all reap from our own action. if i didn't apologise, i'm going to feel very guilty to worship God in cell group tomorrow. but since i did, i'm reaping peace with myself. so i'm the one who benefits, i wouldn't really be bothered if he thinks i'm sincere or not
if limkopi still wants to up my lorry, of course i'll feel annoyed, and honestly it isn't easy to keep it in and to turn the other cheek, but everytime i don't blow up, it's a personal victory for me. =)
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Aiyah....you suspect that I know your intention liao...so you behave like that. Dumdudmb is right that when one realised that he is wrong, the other party should encourage so that can move on.....but not to give falsehood right back thiking that he was not wrong after all. Others are crap, petty etc.....
Still cannot admit that there is a problem with sincerity?
Who taunting who? You netural? I think you are more annoyed by your own hypocrisy....
You not petty meh...you are unforgiving meh......you can love meh......?
Don't waste time lah.....
hmm. i've never felt that i was not wrong in blowing up, and i never retracted my apology, in fact i apologised a few times already. and chin eng has not led me to think that i was not wrong after all, in fact he did tell me not to stir the pot again, gently and kindly. which helps encourage me =)
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What Mrlim had posted in his blog: http://mrlimkopi.blogspot.com/
Well, there's a Chinese saying that says the same grain produces various types of people.
How true can that be....
Recently, I met someone who is very passionate about something. So much so that he will use any means just to prove that he is right. Even when he is obviously wrong. Out of good faith, have been trying to explain why he may be wrong only to have abuses hurled at me.....and to add insult to injury, he make a mockery out of everything I said. How, by not wanting to accept facts presented and keep argument based on his personal feelings only.
Only when faced with the undeniable situation that he starts to back down....
This is when devil (a bystander) comes in by giving him support and dismissing his doubts (which he just realised) as craps. Thus, he rekindle his original thoughts as correct and abuses starts once again.......
Who is more evil?
The guy who refused to accept facts and abuses others or the bystander who rekindle his falsehood?hmm... just wondering... who might mrlim be referring to.....?
on one hand he preaches love and brotherhood, and other, call other people "devil" when others do not agree with him.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
What Mrlim had posted in his blog: http://mrlimkopi.blogspot.com/
hmm... just wondering... who might mrlim be referring to.....?
on one hand he preaches love and brotherhood, and other, call other people "devil" when others do not agree with him.
Ha..ha...ha....your tails is exposing itself.......Chin Eng......let people who is reading here as well as those who read Christians No Offence decide lah.......why conclude for others?
Don't waste time....
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Ha..ha...ha....your tails is exposing itself.......Chin Eng......let people who is reading here as well as those who read Christians No Offence decide lah.......why conclude for others?
Don't waste time....
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
bleah, i've already apologised, like 5 times already, are we still on the issue whether i am sincere or not? =x
if he forgiven me, good lor, if he hasn't (and only he would know), then he isn't a very good catholic lor.
in the end, God knows whether i've been sincere or not, or whether limkopi is actually angry or not. if i'm sincere, i'll benefit from this, and will move from one level of faith to the next. if i'm not, then i'll be learning this lesson another time.
if limkopi has truly forgiven me, then he would also benefit from it, if he has not, then it'd be interesting to worship God while bearing grudges against me, which totally goes against the teaching of Christ, then he wouldn't be enjoying worshipping God (because i can't see how anyone can really worship God while bearing so much issues.)
doesn't matter, in the end, we all reap from our own action. if i didn't apologise, i'm going to feel very guilty to worship God in cell group tomorrow. but since i did, i'm reaping peace with myself. so i'm the one who benefits, i wouldn't really be bothered if he thinks i'm sincere or not
if limkopi still wants to up my lorry, of course i'll feel annoyed, and honestly it isn't easy to keep it in and to turn the other cheek, but everytime i don't blow up, it's a personal victory for me. =)
Like you said, you will know if you are sincere or not and others can see too.....and I have said many times not to turn this into our personal feud.
Grudges? It was you who openly declare you hate Catholic and they will go to hell and 90% are ............ Now you said I bear grudges? I don't like or dislike anyone based on their race or religon.
I said that if you continue to post unfounded, provcative or suggestive pots, I will respond strongly....That's all I did.
There is no hard feelings here and I never did want you to agree with me. Chin Eng never did....I only want you to see what you apologised for and the wrong execution part only......I did achieve that.
So what is the issue? Your anger? Like I said before, go and celebrate your victory....
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
so all those claims were for naughts.... take my advice, don't make too many dubious claims.
Never did.............
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
When did I avoid the sincerity issue? I have already said that whatever apology that was made sounds sincere.Not just that.... in other subsequent posts, dumb2 had cooled down tremendously and attempted to engage you in a friendlier way. However an apology does not amount to agreement on the viewpoints. It was a apology for losing the temper, that's all. What did you expect, dumb2 apologised and then change his mind suddenly to agree with you?
Its sounds sincere to you but for you. Hey, did I also take the same approach? When did I said that he must agree with me? I only said that if you continue to make those posts, I will reply strongly....is that wrong? Or should I let things that I felt as unfounded to go by? Or Is it right to make "dubious claim" and expect others not to response?
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
I see, so you were irritated by dumb2. That's really funny. Bear in mind the context of the apology.... and that is, he was sorry for losing his temper. So, again, in your juvenile mind, what is the reason for the apology - that he should agree with all your views or that he is just sorry for blowing his top?
You're referring to malcom??? give me a break lah. He was posting his comments, and he has every right to do so. That isn't even taunting me.....
Whaddaya mean "as soon as your post appear"? I have been posting daily and he only wrote just a while ago. He's probably busy over the past few days or maybe he has nothing else to say on this matter.
If you again to choose to read it that way, it's up to you. Facts speaks for itself.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
The part in BOLD... is that a promise? and I thought we are just having fun. Remember what I'd said earlier don't make any dubious claims....
No need to expect too much from me..... the folks here know.... I am not really Mr Nice Guy.
Yes, That's it.............
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
What Mrlim had posted in his blog: http://mrlimkopi.blogspot.com/
hmm... just wondering... who might mrlim be referring to.....?
on one hand he preaches love and brotherhood, and other, call other people "devil" when others do not agree with him.
Thanks for promoting the blog.......I think you should read the the last sentence as
"The guy who refused to accept facts and abuses others or the bystander who rekindle his falsehood?"
which does not lead to : "call other people "devil" when others do not agree with him."
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Never did.............
sure or not?
As you said, alll can see.......That's it!
see... it's obviously not "THAT'S IT" afterall the saga continues in your blog.... one dubious claim...
Aiyah....you suspect that I know your intention liao...so you behave like that.
I said I suspect your intention......I will tell you once confirmed. Let your actions speaks for itself.
another dubious claim... i-know-i-suspect-i-don't know
Its sounds sincere to you but for you.
errh? what are you trying to say hah? if you are not in a good mood to type, chill first, otherwise you sound absolute stupid with poorly constructed sentences. just another friendly advice from CE. -
Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Yes, That's it.............
obviously not "that's it" because immediately....
Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:Thanks for promoting the blog.......I think you should read the the last sentence as
"The guy who refused to accept facts and abuses others or the bystander who rekindle his falsehood?"
which does not lead to : "call other people "devil" when others do not agree with him."
you are welcome....
so the "devil" title....means what hah?
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first he told me to listen more to CE, now he says i listen too much to CE. or would it be more accurate to say that he wants me to listen to people who says that he is right.
and zzz, i said alr, i apologised like what 5 times? where did i began to start thinking i was right to hurl abuses at you again? or was led and encouraged to it?
i'd like you to show me.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
sure or not?
see... it's obviously not "THAT'S IT" afterall the saga continues in your blog.... one dubious claim...
another dubious claim... i-know-i-suspect-i-don't know
errh? what are you trying to say hah? if you are not in a good mood to type, chill first, otherwise you sound absolute stupid with poorly constructed sentences. just another friendly advice from CE.Again...ha..ha..ha.. Devil? There is a question mark behind right?
No dubious claims on my blog.....Just my thoughts....
Feeling guilty again about your suspected intentions? Don't lah.....People can read and let them decide.. Ok?
See what happen after your post? Saga continue? conspiracy theories? That's it.
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Again...ha..ha..ha.. Devil? There is a question mark behind right?
No dubious claims on my blog.....Just my thoughts....
Feeling guilty again about your suspected intentions? Don't lah.....People can read and let them decide.. Ok?
See what happen after your post? Saga continue? conspiracy theories? That's it.
hmm.. shrugs, ok, let's let others decide.
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Again...ha..ha..ha.. Devil? There is a question mark behind right?
No dubious claims on my blog.....Just my thoughts....
Feeling guilty again about your suspected intentions? Don't lah.....People can read and let them decide.. Ok?
See what happen after your post? Saga continue? conspiracy theories? That's it.
aaa? what question mark.... the blog got no question mark leh.how does one feel guilty about our own suspected intentions? you mean to say that a person don't understand fully about one's intentions.... and at the same time feel guilty about it....? can be a little more coherent or not hah?
what does "that's it" mean hah? you said it so many times.... so that's it WHAT?!
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
aaa? what question mark.... the blog got no question mark leh.how does one feel guilty about our own suspected intentions? you mean to say that a person don't understand fully about one's intentions.... and at the same time feel guilty about it....? can be a little more coherent or not hah?
what does "that's it" mean hah? you said it so many times.... so that's it WHAT?!
Ha...ha..ha...That's it.