Let's avoid discussion on sensitive topic ...
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
i apologised because i was wrong in losing my temper. the reasons why i snapped was real to me. the issues were real to me. but i shouldn't have taken them out on you. i was angry at my aunt's friends, and involved you because you both write the same religion on the resume paper.
and i apologised not because you asked for it, but because i do felt bad after it. in which you said you weren't angry, so there was no need for it. so why are you acting up now? if you're angry, just say you're angry.. nothing wrong with it. pointless in trying to act righteous like you're above being angry over petty issues. if you're angry, and you should be, because i was really horrid, then admit it. i'll apologise again lor.
I was not angry and still is not.....it's just a forum and will not take it like you think..... But I will still be strong in my reply to anything I think is suggestive, provocative and insulting....That's all.
It's true I never asked for apologies and it is still true that I do not expect any......if one is done is good faith, I will appreciate it. But pls let your actions matches up your apologies....if you can't, don't bother to apologise.
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
I was not angry and still is not.....it's just a forum and will not take it like you think..... But I will still be strong in my reply to anything I think is suggestive, provocative and insulting....That's all.
It's true I never asked for apologies and it is still true that I do not expect any......if one is done is good faith, I will appreciate it. But pls let your actions matches up your apologies....if you can't, don't bother to apologise.
there there, pat pat, take some green tea.
if you can't turn the other cheek, then don't turn lor, it's ok, God still loves you.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
then when the crowd told Jesus to come down from the cross to prove his claims of being God, he didn't answer it either.
i backed down because if i said anymore, i'll really blow it. and definitely, my execution was wrong. =)
But you are so passionate that you want to save everyone from the burning house and you accusse Catholic of doing nothing.....
I told you before that we need to know our limits.....and I also ask you to go and take a look at the problem of passions gone wrong... Is that not what I told you?
I am glad that you know your execution is wrong.....which is what I have been trying to tell you when you keep saying you are saving this and that and we do nothing....except pray etc....
Let's keep it that way.....and do rework your evangelisaing attitude and strategy.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
there there, pat pat, take some green tea.
if you can't turn the other cheek, then don't turn lor, it's ok, God still loves you.
How you know I like green tea? But I thought you are always slapping yourself what....
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Dumddumb, let's not turn this into our private feud....no need to reply liao.....Good luck and do listen more to Chin Eng.....at the end, you know who wants you to see the reality.
Let's not waste time liao.
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
But you are so passionate that you want to save everyone from the burning house and you accusse Catholic of doing nothing.....
I told you before that we need to know our limits.....and I also ask you to go and take a look at the problem of passions gone wrong... Is that not what I told you?
I am glad that you know your execution is wrong.....which is what I have been trying to tell you when you keep saying you are saving this and that and we do nothing....except pray etc....
Let's keep it that way.....and do rework your evangelisaing attitude and strategy.
oh i did. i think it was some post about vegetarianism. and unfortunately, i still do feel the same way abt catholics la. true, my execution was wrong, but there was at least an attempt at execution.
ok la, let's not argue anymore. cheer up.
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gentlemen, we have agreed to disagree!
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
oh i did. i think it was some post about vegetarianism. and unfortunately, i still do feel the same way abt catholics la. true, my execution was wrong, but there was at least an attempt at execution.
ok la, let's not argue anymore. cheer up.
Go back and re-read those posts that I said about baptism at Easter and the condoms and you may see that Catholics do reach out (it's a fact) yet we avoided wrong execution. But if you choose not to see it, then it's your choice to continue to feel that way.
But you cannot stop me from continuing to dispute with you on this becasue that is unfounded and misleading.......
In case you have a chance to get a copy of Vanilla (May issue) which I happen to read today at a lounge, there is a article on 110 years old Teresa Hsu (winner of Vanilla Lifetime Achievement Awards). Inspiring story and you may see what I am trying to tell you from there better.
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Facts speaks for itself.....just read. Your intention to mediate is questionable......If you are neutral, you mediate, if you have other intentions - don't - it's obvious.
Go on and celebrate your victory...over what ? Eating humble pies?
one person apologise - it's questionable, one person tries to mediate - it's also questionable... sigh.
what victory?? it's only victory to you only. you don't know how many times i'd lost in an argument, but to me it's never about victory, why are you so hung up about WINNING an argument, so far neither dumb2 or myself had talked about victory, only you are so concern about who's "eating humble pie" and who's "won". so tell me, it isn't really about a "discussion" is it?
.... give me a break.
Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:tell me your intention.....if you read on a neutral basis of his first post.......
I never ask for apology......
I never think I am always right.....but if somone think he has not done wrong, why apologise? Strange......
did i say YOU ASKED for an apology??? i said that dumb2 HAD apologised. he had already clarified, his apology was for LOSING HIS TEMPER, something that you keep denying that is happening to you.anyone with a neutral stance can tell that you're pissed.
Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:Never did and never will..............not that your actions did not match up my expection, it's obvious.......you know best in your heart.
may i ask.... WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION? please clarify.... on the issue of expectation, you definitely did not meet mine.
so what's my expectation of you? I assume you are someone slightly older in age, therefore slight more mature in thinking, someone who has expoused the goodness of God, yet you come out as petty, immature, unforgiving, not to mention rude.
but then again, is my expectation of you important? obviously not. so neither is your expectation of dumb2 or myself.
like i'd said, it's a forum, it's not bread and butter. our opinions of each other don't really matter.
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Dumddumb, let's not turn this into our private feud....no need to reply liao.....Good luck and do listen more to Chin Eng.....at the end, you know who wants you to see the reality.
Let's not waste time liao.
maybe you should also listen more to me too.
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oops
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...slaps dumb2 on the wrist.... shaddup awreaddy!
...and at this point, had this forum been moderated, it will be locked....
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
...slaps dumb2 on the wrist.... shaddup awreaddy!
...and at this point, had this forum been moderated, it will be locked....
i know. actually it would have been locked around... 5 pages ago
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
hmm hmm. may i say smth?
a gracious person is somebody who gives up his right to be angry at the other person, even if he is right. giving in, to avoid an argument.
forgot where i read it b4.
haha. i don't know if it is a christian thing or a catholic thing to always claim that they're above the emotion of anger and petty feelings. maybe it's a religious thing. haha..
like maybe they're taught that if they admit to anger, they're spiritually weaker etc, but if they keep up the appearance of not being angry, they +1 level
and it's interesting that he keeps claiming that he isn't angry and didn't need an apology (which either means he was never angry or felt provoked in the first place, or he did feel angry and insulted, but has already forgiven and forgotten), but later on, keeps trying to up my lorry and claim that i am not sincere, and in a way suggesting that he wants to see some sincerity (by admitting that the catholics' teachings are right, perhaps?) so he either has an issue with forgiveness, or he's lying about never feeling angry in the first place.
lol, dunno la, only God knows the condition of our hearts, right? i've got nothing to prove. can't prove anyway haha.
Well, Chin Eng, what do you think of this? Dumddumb has agree with me not to carry on....you come into the picture and this comes on again?
If you insist I am angry, so be it....if that makes you happier and more correct.
To me this is just a fourum and we "do not know each other" as such. If I am pissed, I just leave....why bother ? It does not make any difference to my life.....
If you feel affected by it, sorry for you.....
Yes, I suspect your intention.......that's my choice......Why be angry? Cheers!
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Well, Chin Eng, what do you think of this? Dumddumb has agree with me not to carry on....you come into the picture and this comes on again?
If you insist I am angry, so be it....if that makes you happier and more correct.
To me this is just a fourum and we "do not know each other" as such. If I am pissed, I just leave....why bother ? It does not make any difference to my life.....
If you feel affected by it, sorry for you.....
Yes, I suspect your intention.......that's my choice......Why be angry? Cheers!
if you had noted, dumb2 had already deleted his post. The time stamp clearly showed that he deleted his post about 5 minutes before your reply.
you can't leave because you bother.
so what is my intention?
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
i know. actually it would have been locked around... 5 pages ago
yes it should have been...but this is a three page thread. ha ha.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
if you had noted, dumb2 had already deleted his post. The time stamp clearly showed that he deleted his post about 5 minutes before your reply.
you can't leave because you bother.
so what is my intention?
Too bad....I did read the post...and it's the intention that counts...does that looks and sound like he is really sorry and want to stop this? You condone such behaviour?
I am not leaving because I am having fun...........and that's also my choice.
Your intention? You know in your heart lah......No need be angry if there is nothing.....
No need be angry lah......Cheers!
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Too bad....I did read the post...and it's the intention that counts...does that looks and sound like he is really sorry and want to stop this? You condone such behaviour?
I am not leaving because I am having fun...........and that's also my choice.
Your intention? You know in your heart lah......No need be angry if there is nothing.....
No need be angry lah......Cheers!
yeah, it is fun, actually. =x
anyway i didn't hurl anymore abuses ah, which was what i'm sorry for. i'm just saying that, if you're angry, then it's ok to say that you're angry. if you're not angry, then why try to up my lorry a few pages ago, after i have apologised? =x
and i doubt chin eng is angry la. he's too OLD to be angry.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
yes it should have been...but this is a three page thread. ha ha.
oh i mean the other topic. =x
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
yeah, it is fun, actually. =x
anyway i didn't hurl anymore abuses ah, which was what i'm sorry for. i'm just saying that, if you're angry, then it's ok to say that you're angry. if you're not angry, then why try to up my lorry a few pages ago, after i have apologised? =x
and i doubt chin eng is angry la. he's too OLD to be angry.
When did I "up your lorry"? You posted something suggestive first didn't you? Go back and read.....a clear sign of your sincerity.....that's all.
Old man also got right to be angry...........but really hope he does not. Let's not take the forum too personally.......
and like I said before, don't let this turn into personal feud......
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
When did I "up your lorry"? You posted something suggestive first didn't you? Go back and read.....a clear sign of your sincerity.....that's all.
Old man also got right to be angry...........but really hope he does not. Let's not take the forum too personally.......
and like I said before, don't let this turn into personal feud......
lol, i noticed the upping of lorry, so did chin eng. and i trust chin eng to tell me off if i overstepped the line, as earlier he did.
that's why i questioned if you're really angry or not angry. =)
ok i've got to go, later
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
definitely hard to enforce. because different people have different tolerance level and graciousness and love for others.
some snap at the first sign of intimidation and challenge,
some bear grudges, but put on a mask and tries to be sarcastic and up other people's lorry at every chance they get,
some tries to show off what they know,
some just tries to be funny, not providing anything constructive, blah blah..
hard la. =)
This was your post here that I think is suggestive......how did I "up your lorry" first? By the way, I prefer my MPV.....
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Originally posted by Mrlimkopi:
Too bad....I did read the post...and it's the intention that counts...does that looks and sound like he is really sorry and want to stop this? You condone such behaviour?
I am not leaving because I am having fun...........and that's also my choice.
Your intention? You know in your heart lah......No need be angry if there is nothing.....
No need be angry lah......Cheers!
well, he did delete that note, which is more than what you can say about "intentions".... and all you have to say is "too bad"?
you are having fun but others can't? anyway taunting each other is your idea of fun? after your espousal of Christian love and brotherhood?
my intention? you tell me, afterall you seem to know me better than myself.
i am not angry, i am annoyed by your hypocrisy.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
lol, i noticed the upping of lorry, so did chin eng. and i trust chin eng to tell me off if i overstepped the line, as earlier he did.
that's why i questioned if you're really angry or not angry. =)
ok i've got to go, later
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
yeah, it is fun, actually. =x
anyway i didn't hurl anymore abuses ah, which was what i'm sorry for. i'm just saying that, if you're angry, then it's ok to say that you're angry. if you're not angry, then why try to up my lorry a few pages ago, after i have apologised? =x
and i doubt chin eng is angry la. he's too OLD to be angry.
which is why i say he is petty.not happy with you and what you believe in, fine.
but after an apology is given, still go on and on and on, laced with sarcasm like a broken record.
....and some more got the cheek to give the "God bless you" at the end of some of the replies....
.... cannot forgive, cannot let go, cannot love.