Response to Dr Laura on homosexuality
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Dr. Laura Slessinger is a well-known conservative talk show host. She has expressed very negative beliefs about homosexuality, and Wicca. She has firmly supported and advocated biblical morality on her TV and radio shows.
This letter is from an anonymous writer in response to one of her shows.
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you so much for doing so much to educate people regarding GodÂ’s
Law. I have learned a great deal from your show and I try to share
that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to
defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him
that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of
debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of
the specific laws and how to best follow them.
A) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates
a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1: 9). The problem is my
neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I
smite them?
B) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21: 7. In this day & age, what would be a fair market price
for her?
C) I know I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15: 19-24). The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
D) Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may own slaves, both male & female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why canÂ’t I own Canadians?
E) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35: 2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself?
F) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I donÂ’t agree, can you settle this?
G) Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if
I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20 or is there some wiggle room
here?
H) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?
I) I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig
makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
J) My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
two different kinds of thread (cotton & polyester blend). He tends to
curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all
the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.
24: 10-16). CouldnÂ’t we just burn them to death at a private family
affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:
14)?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that GodÂ’s word is
eternal and unchanging.” -
Can someone pls summarise into 10 words or less
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Do not blame your homophobia on the Bible.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Can someone pls summarise into 10 words or less
8 words.
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It is no uncommon (even here in SGforums) for critics of Christians to use Leviticus as source to put down Christianity.....
Most Christians believe that Leviticus is the word of God, but generally do not consider themselves to be bound by all the laws prescribed by the text, due to the implied antinomianism in some passages of the New Testament, notably the letters of Paul. Most Christians consider 1 Corinthians 10:23-26, in which Paul directs followers to "eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience", to exempt them from following the dietary laws set forth in Leviticus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviticus
For events that happened more than 4,000 years ago, one can only guess what the culture was at the point in time and the reason for God to allow some rather questonable practices to continue.
If social norms are different now from what was our parents' generation, can we expect less for hundreds of generations?
Having said that.... I believe there are still people who'd adhere to these laws, and if they find peace in that, sure, why not? -
Who's the homosexual?Originally posted by Phaze:Do not blame your homophobia on the Bible.
8 words.
You are gay ah? -
Interesting. Someone has bothered to answer the questions.
Q. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
A. No. You need a Israelite priest to offer the sacrifice for you in the Temple in Jerusalem; you can't just do it yourself in your back garden. You have a problem! The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. But stop believing in the pleasing odour of animal sacrifices anyway, for it is written that the blood of bulls and goats can never take away sin (Heb 10:4). You need to believe that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross takes away all your sin, now and forever. As to offering violence against your neighbours, that will have you hauled up in front of the magistrates for a breach of the peace and actual bodily harm at a minimum under any system of law, ancient or modern.
Q. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). How do I tell? I have tried asking but most women take offence.
A. This is to do with purity of worship in the Temple . Not just sexual intercourse (we would all be agreed on that) but even touching a menstruating woman made the one who touched her unclean. It has passed. When the Temple in Jerusalem was sacked in 70 AD, as Jesus prophesied, it was already 40 years past its use-by date. The sacrifice of Jesus in AD 30 (+/- a year or two) had rendered the doings of the Temple obsolete. Even the veil of the Temple (which separated the Holy of Holies from the rest of Temple ) was torn in two (Matt 27:51) at His death. Believe in His death and you will be forgiven. Believe in His resurrection and you will live. If the matter you raise still troubles you, you should avoid all contact with women other than your own wife. And if you don't know when she is in what you describe as her period of uncleanliness, then heaven help you.
Q. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to the French but not to the Scots. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Scottish people?
A. It doesn't actually say slaves, it says 'bondmen and bondmaids'. People who were poor bonded themselves or their children to someone wealthy. It was a form of social security. It is also written (Exod 21:16) that anyone who steals a man to sell him shall be put to death. So those Muslim slavers who took and sold black slaves to the white man were flat out of order and worthy of death. Don't forget that the man who had slavery outlawed in Britain was William Wilberforce, an evangelical Christian. Atheists were quite happy with slavery.
Q. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
A. It actually says 'maidservant' not slave. I should have thought you were doing well enough at Capital not to have to sell your daughter as a bonded servant. What a rotten dad you are, to want to get rid of her even though you can afford to keep her. Daughters are precious. So are sons, come to that. You'ld have to be in pretty dire straights 3,000 years ago to sell your children as servants, but I guess they would at least get fed and housed then. Anyway, back to your daughter. I think you would do better to send her to college and then see if she can't get a job. Mind you, most jobs today are just wage-slavery, aren't they? We spend 45% of our time working for the tax-man. Who can be totally free? Only those who trust in Jesus and know the truth will be free, as it is written, 'The truth shall make you free.' (John 8:32)
Q. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obliged to kill him myself or may I arrange for our vicar to do it?
A. Neither. You need to remember that the ancient principle of 'due process' still persists in our law today, despite a succession of Home Secretaries, including dear David Blunkett, wanting to get rid of it as a bit of an impediment to the Government just locking up whoever they want. So you can't go around putting people to death yourself, that is what we Christians call murder. OK, if someone killed your son or raped your daughter, you might call it vengeance, but you have no personal interest in what your neighbour is doing, it just gets up your nose a bit. Report your neighbour to the police, support your allegation with two witnesses, and see if the police can find a law against what your neighbour is doing. They won't. This country doesn't do a day of rest in any form any more.
Q. Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
A. This applies to the High Priest of ancient Israel, who entered into the Holy of holies once a year on the Day of Atonement. I suppose God has a right to say who was going to approach Him in the Holy of holies. But even if you are a cohen, (a) you won't find the Temple still standing today and (b) all that Temple ritual is past. Jesus has been and has offered Himself for the sins of all who will believe in Him. Job done. Finished.
Q. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?
A. God did not want His people looking like the pagan priests of the nations round about with dodgy haircuts and peculiar beards. Getting your hair cut as such isn't wrong in the eyes of God. Exekiel the prophet (Ezek 44:20) says that the rule for the priest is to have his hair cut neatly, not shave his head nor grow his hair stupidly long like what the pagans do. Can't see this was a capital offence, though, even then.
Q. I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
A. Clean and unclean animals are done away with by Peter's vision in Acts 10:11-15. My advice if this really worries you is to play as a forward or a back, and not as a midfielder, as they do most throwing in and place-kicking, and certainly don't play in goal. And don't handball either, as that is against the laws of the game.
Q. A friend of mine feels that though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 11:10) it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
A. They are different words in Hebrew, so your friend is right. But in any case, the clean and unclean animals distinction has gone with Peter's vision. So the New Testament abolishes the Old Testament food laws, although there are Christians who observe the Old Testament food laws not least for health reasons. Shellfish, for example, don't half store up toxins But the New Testament confirms that homosexual activity is an abomination.
Q. My friend tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone him as commanded in Leviticus 24:10-16 ?
A. Yes, because it is all a matter of due process. You are a bit for taking the law into your own hands, aren't you? Does your friend actually curse the Name of God like the man in Leviticus did? Anyway, next you must find a judge and jury who will convict him. Unless his blasphemy really is scurrilous, abusive or offensive to God, Jesus Christ or the Bible, and tends to vilify the Christian religion, you are unlikely to see a conviction in our land today. Best let your friend know how offended you are and if he persists, get another friend. He sounds a bad sort, anyway.
Q. My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).
A. Doesn't sound much of a farmer. How is he going to harvest it? Mind you, he could put a fence down the middle, then he would have two fields, and he could sow one crop on one side and the other on the other side, I suppose. As long as his wife does not wear a mixture of wool and linen, she should be OK to go and take part in ancient Israelite society. Back to the future!
Q. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Leviticus 20:14)?
A. You don't half have a vicious streak. Once again, in God's design for mankind, the State has the responsibility for the judicial death penalty, not the family. God's law does not allow people to put members of their own family to death. You are thinking of Islam and Hinduism. Oh, and Britain today. When our Parliament passed the Homicide Act 1965 and the Abortion Act 1967, they took away the death penalty from the guilty, by the State, where it belongs, and placed it on the innocent, within the family, where it does not. Macabre or what?
P.S. Another silly question was added later:
Q. A reading of 2 Chronicles, 4:2 makes clear that mathematicians have for many years been under a misconception that the number pi (the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter) was a transcendental number which is approximately 3.1415. The true value of pi, as the Bible makes clear in this passage, is actually 3. Am I personally obliged to burn all maths textbooks, put to the sword as blasphemers all who propagate the false value of pi and forbid all false images of the true circle?
A. Do you really think the ancients didn't know the value of pi? What we have here is something us engineers call 'rounding'. You really must deal with your bloodthirsty nature, though. All this taking the law (or what you think it is) into your own hands just will not do. And nit-picking over a couple of Biblical decimal points is not blasphemy. My, isn't there some God-hating ignorance out there!
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You asked me to summarize the letter in 10 words or less and I attempted to oblige.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Who's the homosexual?
You are gay ah?
When I say "your homophobia" I don't mean you or anyone else specifically. I mean people who are homophobic. Of course, if you are homophobic, then it does apply to you.
So it could be rephrased as "Homophobic people should not claim their dislike of homosexuality is based on the bible". This however, exceeds your mandate of 10 words by 4. -
I find the argument that god gave laws according to social norms of the time interesting.
Why is eating shrimp now acceptable, but there's so much hostility towards homosexuality. How does one pick and choose which laws still apply? -
Matthew 5:17-18
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. -
Great reply!Originally posted by googoomuck:Interesting. Someone has bothered to answer the questions.
Pity God didn't grant us a more accurate value of PI in those days though. -
Out of curiosity, I googled for answers to the questions. I find that the questions are very silly after I've read the chapters and verses in its context.
The books and chapters were(or are still valid) for the Jews that practiced strict Judaism. There are more than 600 commandments for Jews that practice Judaism.
Gentiles or atheists need not observe these commandments.
A) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates
a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1: 9). The problem is my
neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I
smite them? Ans: Only the holy priests were allowed to go to the altar to do it. Referring to the Jews only.
B) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21: 7. In this day & age, what would be a fair market price
for her? Ans: For Jews only. She could be redeemed if she was not happy with her master. The master had not right to sell her to foreigners. Not bad.
C) I know I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15: 19-24). The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. Ans: In those days no soap dah. It was about hygiene.
D) Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may own slaves, both male & female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why canÂ’t I own Canadians? Ans: Seems that the verses implied that it condoned slavery. The Jews could buy the slaves if there were pagans that would sell them. The Jews could not resell the slaves.
E) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35: 2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself? Ans: For Jews only.
F) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I donÂ’t agree, can you settle this? Ans: Not eating shellfish is not connected to homosexuality at all. Separate issue. Had to do with health that the Jews were forbidden to eat shellfish.
G) Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if
I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20 or is there some wiggle room
here? Ans: only applicable to healthy and fit Jewish priests who were the only ones to come close to the altar. Even ordinary healthy Jews were not allowed to approach the sacred alter.
H) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Leviticus 19:27. How should they die? Ans: this was relevant to the Jews only. ItÂ’s like military instructions that all recruits must have crew cuts.
I) I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig
makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? Ans: Read from 1-8. It did not say the Jews could not keep a pig as a pet. They were forbidden to eat pork or touch a carcass. Again, it was about hygiene.
J) My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
two different kinds of thread (cotton & polyester blend). He tends to
curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all
the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.
24: 10-16). CouldnÂ’t we just burn them to death at a private family
affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:
14)?Ans: the laws are harsh but gentiles need not fear. They applied to the Jews only. A Jew who blaspheme his God was punishable by death. -
So why did god decide to impose those rules only on the jews?
And some of those rules are outdated right? Why doesn't god repeal them? Certainly those health reasons don't apply anymore?
Or more generally, how do you determine what rules apply and what don't?
So is homosexuality only wrong for jews? -
That's what the old testament said and it's for the Jews that practice Judaism strictly to obey.Originally posted by Phaze:So why did god decide to impose those rules only on the jews?
And some of those rules are outdated right? Why doesn't god repeal them? Certainly those health reasons don't apply anymore?
Or more generally, how do you determine what rules apply and what don't?
So is homosexuality only wrong for jews?
For me, I read the old testament for general knowledge since the God is only talking to his people, the Hebrews. It's not easy to obey more than 600 commandments.
I'm not sure if the new testament said anything about homosexuals. -
Okay. I guess the point I was trying to make is that there isn't any basis for homophobia.Originally posted by googoomuck:That's what the old testament said and it's for the Jews that practice Judaism strictly to obey.
For me, I read the old testament for general knowledge since the God is only talking to his people, the Hebrews. It's not easy to obey more than 600 commandments.
I'm not sure if the new testament said anything about homosexuals. -
laws are harsh but gentiles need not fear. They applied to the Jews only.
Tis is one point which I have been debating in here before a long time ago.
God himself also told people following the rules r pleasing to his eyes and not following r displeasing to him. Even the early people of the church all followed the rules. Suddenly his other believers blatantly do not follow the rules and god is happy over it ? God really works in mysterious ways.
Jesus once say all the laws have to be followed and he himself followed them and so r his disciples. Jesus travel around jewish countries, talk to jews, performed miracles to jews, teach jews on the mountain, attend jewish festival, obey all judiasm rules and all the people who first believed him r all jews. He himself never seperate his believers into different categories and never say the rules have to go. He never say gentiles can forgo the rules. Then now christian conveniently classified themselves as gentile so they can relax on the rules. In fact jesus is always cautious about the gentiles. If u search the keyword "gentiles" during jesus time, he is always wary of them and thinking how they will get him. It only changes after paul come about
Matthew 10
5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
Suddenly christians, which is derived from jews say they have no similarity with them. To me, it is puzzling because u need to believe in some form of judaism first before u can be a christian. Tis is because jesus only has meaning if the OT exists. If u do not believe in OT, or some form of judaism, then jesus is not a messiah but a magician. If u do not believe in judaism and his messiah, why believe jesus is the judaism messiah ?
(christians believe jesus is the judaism messiah though jew themselves do not think so)For events that happened more than 4,000 years ago, one can only guess what the culture was at the point in time and the reason for God to allow some rather questonable practices to continue.
Judaism still followed these laws isn't it If the laws have an expiry date, then they shouldn't say it is unchanging forever. -
Have a problem with Judaism and Christianity? Did you read the book of Matthew from cover to cover? You quote single verses out of context but I'll do a little bit better; I quote a few verses here and there.
For believers only. Jesus attempted to save the Jews first. After resurrection, he told his disciples to save the people of all nations, that includes the gentiles and the Samaritans, if they will believe Jesus as their savior.
The Jews are already saved as God has made a covenant with Abraham. Occasionally, the Jews do get 'disciplined for mischief'.Genesis 12 - referring to Abraham,
2. I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
Genesis 18
18. Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.
Matthew 10
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve
5. These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
6. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
Matthew 28
The Great Commission (after his resurrection)
18. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20. and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." -
For believers only. Jesus attempted to save the Jews first. After resurrection, he told his disciples to save the people of all nations, that includes the gentiles and the Samaritans, if they will believe Jesus as their savior.
Tat is strange isn't it ? On one hand u say the jews r saved on the other hand u say jesus is attempting to save the jews. Aren't u contradicting yourself here ? If jews r saved is guaranteed, then why do they have to follow the rules
And if u look at matthew 20:20, "teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you", and look at matthew 5, then it is clear tat everyone have to follow all the rules of the OT
Matthew 5
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:
How did I contradict myself? You intentionally left out this sentence in your quote:
Tat is strange isn't it ? On one hand u say the jews r saved on the other hand u say jesus is attempting to save the jews. Aren't u contradicting yourself here ? If jews r saved is guaranteed, then why do they have to follow the rules
And if u look at matthew 20:20, "teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you", and look at matthew 5, then it is clear tat everyone have to follow all the rules of the OT
Matthew 5
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19[b]Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.[/b]
The Jews are already saved as God has made a covenant with Abraham. Occasionally, the Jews do get 'disciplined for mischief'.
You also disregard Matthew 10 verse 6 - Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
He did not come to save the Jews that were well behaved and obedient, but Jews that were 'lost'. You must use a bit of imagination.
As for Matthew 5 17-20, Jesus has come to fulfill the role of the Messiah as prophesied in OT. The Jews have a great responsibility to God. The sacrifice of Jesus is to redeem the sinners of all nations.
When a Christian believes that Jesus died for his sins and accepts him as his savior, heÂ’s saved. Next comes baptism and repentance.
By just obeying the 10 commandments, a Christian will find that his troubles will be few. -
How did I contradict myself? You intentionally left out this sentence in your quote:
Then wat is your point of telling jews r saved ?
The Jews are already saved as God has made a covenant with Abraham. Occasionally, the Jews do get 'disciplined for mischief'.
You also disregard Matthew 10 verse 6 - Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.As for Matthew 5 17-20, Jesus has come to fulfill the role of the Messiah as prophesied in OT. The Jews have a great responsibility to God. The sacrifice of Jesus is to redeem the sinners of all nations.
Then how come christians do not have to follow the rules from the OT ? Jesus himself said tat those tat followed the rules r considered great while those who do not r considered unworthy. And he say they all must follow wat he had commanded. Whe suddenly don't have to liao ?When a Christian believes that Jesus died for his sins and accepts him as his savior, heÂ’s saved. Next comes baptism and repentance.
Obviously there is a contradiction here. God say all must follow his rules, jesus say all must follow his rules, then paul and rest say don't need to follow liao. So in the end for convenience decide not to follow so it is more popular -
Are you sure that the OT is only for the Jews??Originally posted by googoomuck:That's what the old testament said and it's for the Jews that practice Judaism strictly to obey.
For me, I read the old testament for general knowledge since the God is only talking to his people, the Hebrews. It's not easy to obey more than 600 commandments.
I'm not sure if the new testament said anything about homosexuals.
What did Yeshua(Jesus) say? If you love me keep my commandments... Yeshua also said keep my commandments as I have kept My Fathers commandments... what do you suppose that means?
Have a talk to icemoon, he will be able to sort you out in relation to the mitzvot that you should keep... kekekeke. -
If u read the history of paul, u will realise tat even the 12 disciples of jesus want to enforce the OT laws. (it can be said tat paul never meet jesus before he died) They have debates and arguments over it and paul say he got a "vision" saying the rules do not need to be followed.
In the end, because gentiles r becoming a big population in christainity, it seems paul have the upper hand in tis political issue -
*yawn* as usual, some dumb and ignorant people, like Dr Laura, can only point to the book of leviticus to defend their homophobia.
I certainly dont recall a "thou shalt not be gay" in the 10 commandments and Jesus never uttered a sentence that suggest that homosexuality is wrong. -
I choose to mantain silence.
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All are welcome to correct my misinterpretation.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Are you sure that the OT is only for the Jews??
What did Yeshua(Jesus) say? If you love me keep my commandments... Yeshua also said keep my commandments as I have kept My Fathers commandments... what do you suppose that means?
Have a talk to icemoon, he will be able to sort you out in relation to the mitzvot that you should keep... kekekeke.
For example, Christians do not need circumcision or go Kosher in food preparation.
As Jesus was not born yet during the OT time, all the commandments and whatever instructions or promises given by God are to the Jews: Abraham, Noah, Moses etc
The last line of book of Leviticus - So Moses told this to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites -
For example, Christians do not need circumcision or go Kosher in food preparation
Tat is true. Scriptually speaking it contradicts the teaching of jesus and god. Now people r not following it simply because of paul.As Jesus was not born yet during the OT time, all the commandments and whatever instructions or promises given by God are to the Jews: Abraham, Noah, Moses etc
Jesus is a jew. He teaches jews, go to jewish country, celebrate jewish festivals and his miracles r performed on jews. And the idea of messiah is a jewish idea. Jesus had said tat anybody who follow the rules r considered great while anybody who do not follow r unworthy in god's eyeThe last line of book of Leviticus - So Moses told this to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites
Well jesus is part of tis israelites and did he say tat it do not need to be followed for gentiles ?