500 Catholic converts killed for their faith in Singapore!!!
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*i give up*Originally posted by laurence82:means you are contradicting yourself
its the same as saying terrorism is part of Islam, which you denied -
going by earlier points, its not proven that these terrorists related activities are fueld by religious related motivesOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:so is it not true that so far, most terrorist-related activities are fueled by religious-related motives?
also, do read newspapers more often
politics and nationalism are better contenders for factors giving rise to terrorist activities -
a religion being exploited for it, but is it a religious death itself?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:so is it not true that so far, most terrorist-related activities are fueled by religious-related motives? and one specific religion is always exploited and certain teachings are twisted and used to justify such activities?
aiya. ok fine. i shall state that muslims != terrorists.
compared to members of a religion doing exactly as what their religion says
when you are able to bring two entities that are on equal stand together, then you can make a justified comparison -
this is a stupendously racist and bigoted remarkOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:simple minded people, please don't be afraid when you see a few of your friendly neighbourhood malays playing street soccer. that is a ball, not a bomb.
please retract your statement -
you said that i made it look like muslims are 100% terrorists, and i may cause ppl to believe that is so.Originally posted by laurence82:this is a stupendously racist and bigoted remark
please retract your statement
so now i specifically point it out to potentially simple-minded folks who might be stumbled and be misinformed (as suggested by you) also wrong?
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of courseOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:you said that i made it look like muslims are 100% terrorists, and i may cause ppl to believe that is so.
so now i say this also wrong?
doubly wrong -
you dont have to give up if your points were never erroneous in the first placeOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:*i give up*
and also if they are consistent throughout -
fine. i'll just watch the news, and see for myself what's the truth yeah?
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misinformed?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:you said that i made it look like muslims are 100% terrorists, and i may cause ppl to believe that is so.
so now i specifically point it out to potentially simple-minded folks who might be stumbled and be misinformed (as suggested by you) also wrong?
its not in the Quran or Bible? then how to link it to a religion at all? -
peaceful Muslims are also facing persecutions and violence from extremistsOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:fine. i'll just watch the news, and see for myself what's the truth yeah?
do consider the plights of Iraqis and others who want nothing but peace and bread and butter
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oh. ok, if i remember, it works like this.Originally posted by laurence82:misinformed?
its not in the Quran or Bible? then how to link it to a religion at all?
they take teachings of the koran, and quote it and made it sound like they were being oppressed, and its ok to declare jihad on their oppressors.
if i remember, jihad is like.. the last defence or something. like, say they're being oppressed until they have no choice but to fight back.
so painting this picture in their mind, which riles up the populace, they look up to their leaders as liberators. and then with that subconscious control, the leaders begin to use them to do their dirty work of terrorism.
but to those who were suicide bombing, it was really for their religion.
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that's why i said mah.. when u asked me how they die.Originally posted by laurence82:peaceful Muslims are also facing persecutions and violence from extremists
do consider the plights of Iraqis and others who want nothing but peace and bread and butter
i am not sure if misery can easily quantified and compared
usually it involves a big bomb, and everyone's either a victim or perps of the terrorism plot.
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i think they're oppressed because well. the terrorists see things in a v simple logic. "if you're not on my side, you're on the enemy's side, that makes you my enemy too"Originally posted by laurence82:peaceful Muslims are also facing persecutions and violence from extremists
do consider the plights of Iraqis and others who want nothing but peace and bread and butter
i am not sure if misery can easily quantified and compared -
religious death was the term you used in the beginning, not religion related deathOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:oh. ok, if i remember, it works like this.
they take teachings of the koran, and quote it and made it sound like they were being oppressed, and its ok to declare jihad on their oppressors.
if i remember, jihad is like.. the last defence or something. like, say they're being oppressed until they have no choice but to fight back.
so painting this picture in their mind, which riles up the populace, they look up to their leaders as liberators. and then with that subconscious control, the leaders begin to use them to do their dirty work of terrorism.
but to those who were suicide bombing, it was really for their religion.
that's why i said it was religion-related death.
again, like you said, its related, exploited, twisted, not religion itself
would comparing anything that could be about anything and relate it to religion and then finally comparing anything..add value to anything at all?
actually to be nastier, do you have any statistical model that allow you to accurately quantify and compare religious related death? -
preciselyOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:i think they're oppressed because well. the terrorists see things in a v simple logic. "if you're not on my side, you're on the enemy's side, that makes you my enemy too"
so what to compare then?
on individual scale, its like someone who keep comparing how miserable his life is compared to other people around him
to me its a pointless exercise -
which again, negate any effect of comparisonOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:that's why i said mah.. when u asked me how they die.
usually it involves a big bomb, and everyone's either a victim or perps of the terrorism plot.
all die horribly -
a bit contradictory hereOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:alot of riot stuff not mentioned wat.
well.. dying for the christian faith is one of the most respected way to go la.
and its not they bomb other ppl like muslim terrorists. but they're murdered for being a Christ follower.
sad, but i respect.
i would add, dying for the Islamic faith is also one of the most respected way to go -
hmm. ok, u're right. i should read up first. i'll get back to you on this?Originally posted by laurence82:religious death was the term you used in the beginning, not religion related death
again, like you said, its related, exploited, twisted, not religion itself
would comparing anything that could be about anything and relate it to religion and then finally comparing anything..add value to anything at all?
actually to be nastier, do you have any statistical model that allow you to accurately quantify and compare religious related death?
well, i'm googling it la. but i dunno if u're interested in taking a look? -
read up...-__-!Originally posted by dumbdumb!:hmm. ok, u're right. i should read up first. i'll get back to you on this?
there is such model meh???
sorry to say, from a monotheistic religion POV, i would say only smarties..sorry, only God has the answers -
In Islam,its a big sin to commit suicide. It'll be worst if you say you're commiting suicide just for Islam.
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i mean of course some of the sources seem dubious la. that's the problem. nobody is really sure who's telling the truth.
there're website that condemns, so dunno if they can be trusted for accuracy.
but i'm speaking from just watching the news la.
almost everytime a christian is involved in a pk incident. he's always the victim of it. -
then why do they still suicide bomb themselves?Originally posted by felirox:In Islam,its a big sin to commit suicide. It'll be worst if you say you're commiting suicide just for Islam.
i mean.. if its obviously wrong, it shouldn't be that easy to twist it until it seems right wat. right?
ok like. if the bible says, to turn the other cheek when being insulted right? how to twist it until u can fool a christian into doing the opposite to someone in the name of christianity, and to think that he's doing the right thing? -
Cos these people have been misled by a mislead leader. And I think these people must be greenhorns. They may have just learn Islam w/o understanding it inside out,and when a corrupted leader say any bullsh*t to them,they'll listen and believe everything he says is right. So this might be the reason why there are suicide bombers out there.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:then why do they still suicide bomb themselves?
i mean.. if its obviously wrong, it shouldn't be that easy to twist it until it seems right wat. right?
The leader must have told them,"explode yourself by the name of Islam and you'll be sent to heaven." which is obviously again,bullsh*t -
aiya. i guess in the end, u're right. terrorism should be viewed as an entity in itself, and not muddle the situation with religion or whatnot.
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ya lor. like i said above.. a charismatic leader misquote something out of context, then riles up the populace into thinking that they're being oppressed, and when the leader has won their hearts, and minds, he uses them as pawns..Originally posted by felirox:Cos these people have been misled by a mislead leader. And I think these people must be greenhorns. They may have just learn Islam w/o understanding it inside out,and when a corrupted leader say any bullsh*t to them,they'll listen and believe everything he says is right. So this might be the reason why there are suicide bombers out there.
The leader must have told them,"explode yourself by the name of Islam and you'll be sent to heaven." which is obviously again,bullsh*t
that's how it usually works la. sucks right?