500 Catholic converts killed for their faith in Singapore!!!
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500 Catholic converts killed for their faith in Singapore!!!
Killings occurred at Bukit Timah, Serangoon and Kranji.........
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Dont believe me?
Well...........do a google and tell me that I am right or wrong.......
This is a fact hidden from history books..........WHY???? because it happened long ago?...
so sad today nobody remembers ........ -
so if i type '500 catholics converts killed for their faith in Singapore' i can find the results?
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apparently...yes..Originally posted by laurence82:so if i type '500 catholics converts killed for their faith in Singapore' i can find the results? -
oh wow
what's next? -
lazy to read from google got utoob?
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alot of riot stuff not mentioned wat.
well.. dying for the christian faith is one of the most respected way to go la.
and its not they bomb other ppl like muslim terrorists. but they're murdered for being a Christ follower.
sad, but i respect. -
Omg! "Dr Who killed by 5 Dalaks"
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dont associate Muslims with terrorists lorOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:alot of riot stuff not mentioned wat.
well.. dying for the christian faith is one of the most respected way to go la.
and its not they bomb other ppl like muslim terrorists. but they're murdered for being a Christ follower.
sad, but i respect. -
i didn't imply that terrorism is part of islam.Originally posted by laurence82:dont associate Muslims with terrorists lor
i'm just using the current incidents of muslim terrorists as an example to compare between the different religion concept of dying for their faith. -
eh, contradictory lehOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:i didn't imply that terrorism is part of islam.
i'm just using the current incidents of muslim terrorists as an example to compare between the different religion concept of dying for their faith.
so, how does Muslims die for their faith? -
extremists bomb others under the name of jihad?Originally posted by laurence82:eh, contradictory leh
so, how does Muslims die for their faith? -
i was asking about Muslims, not terroristsOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:extremists bomb others under the name of jihad?
so how do Muslims die for their faith? -
as reported in the news: they usually die in the midst of a bomb blast. either as a victim or as a perpetrator.Originally posted by laurence82:i was asking about Muslims, not terrorists
so how do Muslims die for their faith?
what do u think -
so if a Muslim, a true believer in his faith, do bomb others in the name of jihad, isnt it the same as saying terrorism is part of Islam?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:as reported in the news: they die in the midst of a bomb blast. either as a victim or as a perpetrator
and isnt it what I said about not equating Muslims with terrorists, which you denied?
i am sorry man, but your stuff is seriously contradicting one another -
hmm, ok, lets put it this way. the teachings of islam gives extremists the opportunity to twist it to befit their purpose.Originally posted by laurence82:so if a Muslim, a true believer in his faith, do bomb others in the name of jihad, isnt it the same as saying terrorism is part of Islam?
and isnt it what I said about not equating Muslims with terrorists, which you denied?
i am sorry man, but your stuff is seriously contradicting one another
because i'm comparing the majority of religious related death between christianity and another religion. and since muslim terrorists are on the news often enough, i used them as an example lor.
also.. i think a true believer of islam wouldn't do that. after all, its a religion of peace isn't it?
but some of their teachings do give extremists the chance to exaggerate it.
i mean. take christianity's basic teaching. turn the other cheek. even if christian terrorists do bomb others, its so obvious that its wrong. its hard to get christian terrorists because the teachings simply don't allow followers to be extreme.
but for islam. extremists can manipulate their teachings by reasoning that suicide bombing is considered jihad.
if the teachings of jihad never existed, or even better yet, forbidden. they can't very well use it to justify their suicide bombings right?
anyway, point is. christianity's definition of dying for their faith is really to die for their faith. dying because others don't like what they believe in. killed because of their message, murdered because of their identity.
whereas majority of martyrdom of another abrahamic religion, for the sake of comparison, lets just say islam, always revolves around a bomb. -
your first point i do agree, and thats up to the scholars or what not to decide if and what are the verses in the Quran that give rise to such opportunitiesOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:hmm, ok, lets put it this way. the teachings of islam gives extremists the opportunity to twist it to befit their purpose.
because i'm comparing the majority of religious related death between christianity and another religion. and since muslim terrorists are on the news often enough, i used them as an example lor.
but i still dont agree with your second point
Muslims dont equate to terrorists, thats tantamount to saying Islam explicitly teaches such things, even to true faith faithful believers, not extremists
and that would negate religious related death, assuming Islam do not explicitly teaches such things
so that would say, comparing to religious related death in Christianity to...well, nothing at all at the moment -
They were killed by the triads right?
IIRC it was the Ghee Hin Kongsi who did that. The same group were responsible for many of the troubles in northern Perak. -
yep. they were pked by triads because, firstly they lost power when the converts refused to do their dirty deeds, and secondly, most of the converts became informants and leaked the gang's secrets and activities.Originally posted by iveco:They were killed by the triads right?
IIRC it was the Ghee Hin Kongsi who did that. The same group were responsible for many of the troubles in northern Perak. -
then the above points got nothing to do with religions at all then, since its not explicityly stated so, either in Christianity nor IslamOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:also.. i think a true believer of islam wouldn't do that. after all, its a religion of peace isn't it?
but some of their teachings do give extremists the chance to exaggerate it.
i mean. take christianity's basic teaching. turn the other cheek. even if christian terrorists do bomb others, its so obvious that its wrong. its hard to get christian terrorists because the teachings simply don't allow followers to be extreme.
but for islam. extremists can manipulate their teachings by reasoning that suicide bombing is considered jihad.
if the teachings of jihad never existed, or even better yet, forbidden. they can't very well use it to justify their suicide bombings right?
to link them that way is erroneous, its akin to a Malaysian who happened to be touring Singapore, saying that he is a Singaporean simply because he is physically in Singapore -
it still doesn't change the fact that majority of their religiously-related deaths revolved around a big bomb.Originally posted by laurence82:then the above points got nothing to do with religions at all then, since its not explicityly stated so, either in Christianity nor Islam
to link them that way is erroneous, its akin to a Malaysian who happened to be touring Singapore, saying that he is a Singaporean simply because he is physically in Singapore
whereas majority of christianity's religiously-related deaths revolved around a big mob and usually ending up with slaughtered bodies of christians. -
libido effectOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:it still doesn't change the fact that majority of religious deaths revolved around a big bomb.
religious and death in this context dont come together
we got to be precise -
still not religious death, as my points aboveOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:it still doesn't change the fact that majority of their religiously-related deaths revolved around a big bomb.
whereas majority of christianity's religiously-related deaths revolved around a big mob and usually ending up with slaughtered bodies of christians.
quite a separated issue actually -
shrugs. dunno la.Originally posted by laurence82:still not religious death, as my points above
quite a separated issue actually
i guess its just so coincident that so far, all the suicide bombers are muslim extremists. -
facts speak for themselves, but its not for you to mangle it and present it as 'facts'Originally posted by dumbdumb!:that depends on how you want to make it sound like lor.
you can nitpick at it, split hairs until it sounds like it wasn't related to religion.
but to me. the motivation for the slaughter of the 500 wasn't because of war, it wasn't because of greed. it was because they became christian, which got in the way of the gang's activities.
and the motivation of the person who raised his hand to volunteer to die for his faith with a C4, comes from various teachings (twisted as it is by extremists).
to me, that's enough to label it as religious-related deaths la.
like erm.. human sacrifices etc.. some religion practices it? but majority of religious-related death still revolves around the 3 abrahamic religions.
and well. facts speak for themselves la
its because of such shoddy work in identifying the real exact cause, that lead to general confusion, and i am not sure if it really nag at your conscience
because of imprecise definitions, everyone would assume Muslims readily equal to terrorists, and then erroneously any death is readily labelled 'religious death' and then the unequal comparison with deaths related to Christianity or Christians
one mistake ballrolled into another. by right, if the first level of assumption is wrong and erroneous, it follows that whatever that tag along is false
i am not doing it merely because i want to 'nitpick' but imagine the dire consequences if you are a journalist, a policy maker or even the general public -
means you are contradicting yourselfOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:shrugs. dunno la.
i guess its just so coincident that so far, all the suicide bombers are muslim extremists.
its the same as saying terrorism is part of Islam, which you denied