How and when did Christmas become X'mas???
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How? X doesnt have anything to do with christ..
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Its used to reduce text in sms ...
It began after handphone was invented ... -
Way before thatOriginally posted by YuutoFlow:Its used to reduce text in sms ...
It began after handphone was invented ...
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I think it will be more appealing to change it to †-masOriginally posted by Trump_Card: -
X- is the old greek alpha for Chi and the old greek pronunciation for Christ is ChiRo.
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does it really matter, its a pagan festival why do believers want to celebrate a festival that honours the birth of the sun god mithra... Yeshua was not born on this day...
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no leh .. read the blog link by sgmacross .. the Church celebrated the birth of Christ even before Romans celebrated the birth of their pagan god on that date.Originally posted by breytonhartge:does it really matter, its a pagan festival why do believers want to celebrate a festival that honours the birth of the sun god mithra... Yeshua was not born on this day... -
I've not looked this up but even if the Church celebrated the birth of Christ before the Romans celebrated the birth of other gods on that date, it doesn't change the fact that Christ was not born on Dec 25th.Originally posted by Icemoon:no leh .. read the blog link by sgmacross .. the Church celebrated the birth of Christ even before Romans celebrated the birth of their pagan god on that date.
Dec 25th is a date observed by many pagan religions because it is close to the winter solstice. -
Is this a fallacy? Christ not born on Dec 25 because it is a date observed for pagan reason.Originally posted by Phaze:I've not looked this up but even if the Church celebrated the birth of Christ before the Romans celebrated the birth of other gods on that date, it doesn't change the fact that Christ was not born on Dec 25th.
Dec 25th is a date observed by many pagan religions because it is close to the winter solstice.
Then when was Christ born?
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That's absolutely true, most Christians know that Christ wasn't born on Dec 25.Originally posted by Icemoon:Is this a fallacy? Christ not born on Dec 25 because it is a date observed for pagan reason.
Then when was Christ born? -
they act like they so sure like that.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:That's absolutely true, most Christians know that Christ wasn't born on Dec 25.
in fact they only thing they know is they don't know the real birth date.
why can't Dec 25 be a strong candidate for the birth date .. since the Church celebrated it on that day? -
This is from a Christian website:
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/was-jesus-born-on-december-25-faq.htm
The Bible itself tells us that December 25 is an unlikely date for His birth. Palestine is very cold in December. It was much too cold to ask everyone to travel to the city of their fathers to register for taxes. Also the shepherds were in the fields (Luke 2:8-12). Shepherds were not in the fields in the winter time. They are in the fields early in March until early October. This would place Jesus' birth in the spring or early fall. It is also known that Jesus lived for 33.5 years and died at the feast of the Passover, which is at Easter time. He must therefore have been born six months the other side of Easter - making the date around the September/October time frames.
Other evidence that December 25 is the wrong date for the birth of Jesus comes from early writings. Iraneus, born about a century after Jesus, notes that Jesus was born in the 41st year of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 B.C., this appears to substantiate the birth of Jesus as the autumn of 2 B.C. Eusebius (A.D. 264-340), the "Father of Church History," ascribes it to the 42nd year of the reign of Augustus and the 28th from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Anthony and Cleopatra. The 42nd year of Augustus ran from the autumn of 2 B.C. to the autumn of 1 B.C. The subjugation of Egypt into the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of 30 B.C. The 28th year extended from the autumn of 3 B.C. to the autumn of 2 B.C. The only date that would meet both of these constraints would be the autumn of 2 B.C.
John the Baptist also helps us determine that December 25 is not the birth of Jesus. Elizabeth, John's mother, was a cousin of Mary. John began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. The minimum age for the ministry was 30. As Augustus died on August 19, A.D. 14, that was the accession year for Tiberius. If John was born on April 19-20, 2 B.C., his 30th birthday would have been April 19-20, A.D. 29, or the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm the 2 B.C. date, and, since John was 5 months older, this also confirms an autumn birth date for Jesus.
Another interesting fact comes from Elizabeth herself. She hid herself for 5 months and then the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary both Elizabeth's condition and that Mary would also bear a son who would be called Jesus. Mary went "with haste" to visit Elizabeth, who was then in the first week of her 6th month, or the 4th week of Dec., 3 B.C. If Jesus was born 280 days later it would place his birth on Sept. 29, 2 B.C. Some scholars interpret the 6 months to be in line with the Hebrew calendar or the August-September time frame. Since Mary's pregnancy commenced a little before the sixth month around July, Jesus would be born somewhere around March-June. -
Because Jesus was born on the way to Bethlehem. The reason for their travelling there was because the Roman emperor was conducting the first ever census and records show that the census was conducted sometime in the middle of the year.Originally posted by Icemoon:they act like they so sure like that.
in fact they only thing they know is they don't know the real birth date.
why can't Dec 25 be a strong candidate for the birth date .. since the Church celebrated it on that day?
And I'm pretty sure Christmas was originally a pagan festival pertaining to the god Saturn. -
my ex pastor was quite anal about it.