No more sin-consicous?
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Originally posted by bernardgoh:
Do you think that life is easy and exciting with teachings like this:
My friend, God has made it easy — and you will find that it is exciting — to live life under the new covenant!
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I do not come to bring peace but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be members of his household." Matthew 10:34-36 NASB -
so exciting~ la la la la la la la.
haha
you know that verse isn't off at all. when i first received christ, my dad was so pissed, but tolerant, until i wanted to baptise.
i was nearly thrown out of the house, there were clashes of beliefs, he don't understand why i cannot hold joss sticks or refuse eat food offered to idols etc, why i tithe, and he hated that i leave my bible all over the place (i'm just untidy)
following Jesus does have its difficult moments, and that's when this verse is so true. by following Him, I have made an enemy of my father. And yet Jesus commands us to love our enemies, and love those who persecute us.
Matthew 5:42-44 (New International Version)
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies[b] and pray for those who persecute you,
Luke 6:26-28 (New International Version)
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
but when God used me as an open door to my family, I saw how God worked, and it was so amazing, the joy I feel when my dad pulled my sleeve during altar call and told me to bring him to the front to receive christ, is indescribable!
the day we baptised together as a family is a cry of victory and a cry of celebration.
now my mum also shared the gospel with my aunt, and she believed too, in fact the whole family believed, and my another uncle was hopping mad at my mum, and thus this verse comes true again. that Jesus came, and it will definitely bring families against each other. But through love and through the work of God, there will be victory.
i'll post my family's testimony here if you're interested in finding out more about how my parents came to know christ. but i have to dig it up. haha -
Originally posted by dumbdumd!:
Have no idea what this apologist is taking about. Can you help?
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1999/1082_Justification_by_Faith_Establishes_the_Law/ -
.Originally posted by dumbdumb!so exciting~ la la la la la la la.
following Jesus does have its difficult moments, and that's when this verse is so true. by following Him, I have made an enemy of my father. And yet Jesus commands us to love our enemies, and love those who persecute us
You are lucky. Try telling this to those who perished during the crusades during the middle ages. Also those who perished during the inquisitions. -
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
Why you tithe? Since tithing is a 'faulty' old covenant law. Are you still living under the laws of the old covenant? Hope that you are not frightened by tithing teachers. Favourite verses used by tithing teachers.
i was nearly thrown out of the house, there were clashes of beliefs, he don't understand why i cannot hold joss sticks or refuse eat food offered to idols etc, why i tithe, and he hated that i leave my bible all over the place (i'm just untidy)
"Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing me! But you say, How have we robbed you? In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a cursed, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you." Malachi 3:8-9 NASB
The 'carrot' method can also be used.
"Bring the whole tithes into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test me now in this, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows." Malachi 3:10 NASB -
wah .. dumbdumb also read Piper one ah?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
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Piper is a good writer on the Reformed position of Protestantism. He is one of the few authors I enjoy reading about classical Protestant Christianity.Originally posted by Creation1656:Have no idea what this apologist is taking about. Can you help?
The summary of the whole article is and I quote:Now what does that mean? I think it means that what the moral law of God requires of us, we will do, if we pursue it by faith, as those who are already justified, and not by works, in order to be justified. If we get right with God first by faith alone, and then live in that freedom of love and acceptance and justification, we will be changed from the inside out and will begin to love the very things the moral law requires so that they become established in our lives - not as works of merit, but as the fruit of faith (I Thessalonians 1:3; 2 Thessalonians 1:11) and the fruit of the Spirit.
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the commandments are not faulty.Originally posted by Creation1656:Why you tithe? Since tithing is a 'faulty' old covenant law. Are you still living under the laws of the old covenant? Hope that you are not frightened by tithing teachers. Favourite verses used by tithing teachers.
"Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing me! But you say, How have we robbed you? In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a cursed, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you." Malachi 3:8-9 NASB
The 'carrot' method can also be used.
"Bring the whole tithes into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test me now in this, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows." Malachi 3:10 NASB -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Agree that commandments not faulty; Just quoting bernardgoh.
the commandments are not faulty. -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
The summary of the whole article is and I quote:
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Now what does that mean? I think it means that what the moral law of God requires of us, we will do, if we pursue it by faith, as those who are already justified, and not by works, in order to be justified. If we get right with God first by faith alone, and then live in that freedom of love and acceptance and justification, we will be changed from the inside out and will begin to love the very things the moral law requires so that they become established in our lives - not as works of merit, but as the fruit of faith (I Thessalonians 1:3; 2 Thessalonians 1:11) and the fruit of the Spirit.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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i believe that there are 2 parts to this.
justification and sanctification.
the justification is done by Christ alone. we can never fulfill the Law, and we our position of salvation rests solely on Christ's work on the cross. nothing can shake that foundation.
sanctification on the other hand is a life long process. Jesus started a good work in us, and will finish it throughout our lives.
we're always learning, improving, and becoming holy, it is apart from our salvation.
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so the question becomes how? After you are saved, what then? How do we keep the ways of Yahweh? What does He want from us?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i believe that there are 2 parts to this.
justification and sanctification.
the justification is done by Christ alone. we can never fulfill the Law, and we our position of salvation rests solely on Christ's work on the cross. nothing can shake that foundation.
sanctification on the other hand is a life long process. Jesus started a good work in us, and will finish it throughout our lives.
we're always learning, improving, and becoming holy, it is apart from our salvation.
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Romans 4:5
5But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.
Boldness is what God wants you to have when you come to Him. He does not want you to be afraid to come to Him, feeling unworthy because of your sins. He wants you to come boldly to Him, knowing that the death, burial and resurrection of His Son Jesus Christ has justified you and qualified you to boldly receive from Him.
This was the kind of boldness that the woman with the issue of blood had when she touched Jesus. (Mark 5:25–34) Now, this woman knew that she was breaking a Levitical law which states that anyone with a bodily discharge is unclean, and should not appear in public or touch anybody. (Leviticus 15)
But she refused to feel condemned by the law. She believed what she had heard about Jesus, and was confident that there would only be love and compassion, not condemnation, from Him. She believed that Jesus would justify her and qualify her to receive the miracle she needed. That was why she boldly pressed her way into the crowd to touch Jesus, who indeed said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well.” (Mark 5:34)
What was it about her faith that made her well? Romans 4:5 tells us that it is the faith that believes that God justifies the ungodly. When you believe that God justifies the ungodly, it will give you boldness to come to God, even when you feel unclean because you have just sinned.
When you fall, donÂ’t run away from God. Run boldly to Him, knowing that you are justified by the blood of Christ, and not by your good behaviour.
The devil may say to you, “How can you do that? Who do you think you are?” Don’t listen to him. Pick yourself up and thank God for the blood and the gift of no condemnation. (Romans 8:1) If God justifies the ungodly, how much more you, His beloved child!
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Flow With Righteousness, Peace And Joy
Romans 14:17
17For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
If we are supposed to seek first the kingdom of God every day (Matthew 6:33), then we should know what the kingdom of God is in the first place. I used to think that the kingdom of God was the mission fields and that to seek it meant doing missionary work.
Then, I realised that the kingdom of God was not something outside you flowing in — “the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking”, but something inside you flowing out — “righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit”.
So to seek first GodÂ’s kingdom means to make it a priority every day to have your inner man flowing with righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Righteousness is not your own righteousness based on what you do. It is not good works. It is a gift from Jesus who is your righteousness. (Romans 5:17, 1 Corinthians 1:30) God wants you to be established in the truth that you are the righteousness of God in Christ. (2 Corinthians 5:21)
“Peace be with you” were the words that Jesus spoke to His disciples when He appeared before them after His resurrection. He also showed them His pierced hands and side. (John 20:19–20) God wants you to know that His Son’s finished work has given you peace. Your conscience can be at rest because your sin debt has been settled. You have peace with God, and the peace of God.
Joy will come into your heart when you see Jesus in the scriptures, worship songs or anointed preaching. It is the same joy from the Holy Spirit which filled the disciplesÂ’ hearts when they saw Jesus, His hands and His side. (John 20:20)
So every day, make it a priority to see yourself righteous in Christ. DonÂ’t be conscious of your sins, but instead be conscious of your righteousness. And whether you are reading your Bible or listening to anointed preaching, see Jesus with His pierced hands and side, which speak of His finished work. See that your sins are forgiven, and you will flow with peace and joy. When you do this, you are seeking the kingdom of God! -
Psalm 91:14
14Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high, because he has known My name.
A woman came to Jesus with an alabaster flask containing very costly fragrant oil, and poured the oil on His head when He was in a house in Bethany. (Matthew 26:6–7) She did this because she loved the Lord. She had set her love upon Him.
But those who were present considered what she did a great waste because the oil could have been sold for an amount equal to one year’s wages, and the money given to the poor instead. Even Jesus’ disciples were indignant and asked her, “Why this waste?” (Matthew 26:
But Jesus defended her, saying, “Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a good work for Me.” (Matthew 26:10) Not only that, He accorded her the highest honour when He added, “Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her.” (Matthew 26:13)
Two thousand years have passed since this woman anointed Jesus with the expensive oil. She never expected, in her wildest dreams, that the story of her act of love would be told down through the ages. Many kings and rulers have come and gone. Their great acts have faded from the memories of men. But what this woman did for Jesus is still told today around the world as a memorial to her!
When you get a revelation of how much Jesus loves you, you will set your love upon Him in response. And when you act out of love for Him, though others may see it as a waste of time, energy or money, He will defend you and deliver you from your critics. He will also set you on high. Your ministry will become powerful and life-changing. Your work will be highly esteemed among your peers. Your company will be prominent and highly successful. And it will not just be a job that you have, but a position of influence to impact many lives. -
Psalm 91:14
14Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high, because he has known My name.
A woman came to Jesus with an alabaster flask containing very costly fragrant oil, and poured the oil on His head when He was in a house in Bethany. (Matthew 26:6–7) She did this because she loved the Lord. She had set her love upon Him.
But those who were present considered what she did a great waste because the oil could have been sold for an amount equal to one year’s wages, and the money given to the poor instead. Even Jesus’ disciples were indignant and asked her, “Why this waste?” (Matthew 26:
But Jesus defended her, saying, “Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a good work for Me.” (Matthew 26:10) Not only that, He accorded her the highest honour when He added, “Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her.” (Matthew 26:13)
Two thousand years have passed since this woman anointed Jesus with the expensive oil. She never expected, in her wildest dreams, that the story of her act of love would be told down through the ages. Many kings and rulers have come and gone. Their great acts have faded from the memories of men. But what this woman did for Jesus is still told today around the world as a memorial to her!
When you get a revelation of how much Jesus loves you, you will set your love upon Him in response. And when you act out of love for Him, though others may see it as a waste of time, energy or money, He will defend you and deliver you from your critics. He will also set you on high. Your ministry will become powerful and life-changing. Your work will be highly esteemed among your peers. Your company will be prominent and highly successful. And it will not just be a job that you have, but a position of influence to impact many lives. -
Yet in all your boldness... you forget to reverence Yahweh. Do you go boldly into the throne room of a King? or do you come in humble supplication?Originally posted by bernardgoh:Romans 4:5
5But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.
Boldness is what God wants you to have when you come to Him. He does not want you to be afraid to come to Him, feeling unworthy because of your sins. He wants you to come boldly to Him, knowing that the death, burial and resurrection of His Son Jesus Christ has justified you and qualified you to boldly receive from Him.
This was the kind of boldness that the woman with the issue of blood had when she touched Jesus. (Mark 5:25–34) Now, this woman knew that she was breaking a Levitical law which states that anyone with a bodily discharge is unclean, and should not appear in public or touch anybody. (Leviticus 15)
But she refused to feel condemned by the law. She believed what she had heard about Jesus, and was confident that there would only be love and compassion, not condemnation, from Him. She believed that Jesus would justify her and qualify her to receive the miracle she needed. That was why she boldly pressed her way into the crowd to touch Jesus, who indeed said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well.” (Mark 5:34)
What was it about her faith that made her well? Romans 4:5 tells us that it is the faith that believes that God justifies the ungodly. When you believe that God justifies the ungodly, it will give you boldness to come to God, even when you feel unclean because you have just sinned.
When you fall, donÂ’t run away from God. Run boldly to Him, knowing that you are justified by the blood of Christ, and not by your good behaviour.
The devil may say to you, “How can you do that? Who do you think you are?” Don’t listen to him. Pick yourself up and thank God for the blood and the gift of no condemnation. (Romans 8:1) If God justifies the ungodly, how much more you, His beloved child! -
So seeing the finished work of Yeshua on the cross is seeking the kingdom of Yahweh???Originally posted by bernardgoh:So every day, make it a priority to see yourself righteous in Christ. DonÂ’t be conscious of your sins, but instead be conscious of your righteousness. And whether you are reading your Bible or listening to anointed preaching, see Jesus with His pierced hands and side, which speak of His finished work. See that your sins are forgiven, and you will flow with peace and joy. When you do this, you are seeking the kingdom of God! 
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GodÂ’s Blessings Are Yours To Take
Deuteronomy 28:2
2And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake youÂ…
God wants to bless you and He delights in blessing you. He has even declared that “all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you”. This means that you won’t be able to run fast enough to escape them! When you turn one corner, there is a blessing waiting for you. When you turn another corner, you run smack into another blessing!
Now, you may think that you are disqualified by the first verse in Deuteronomy 28, which says that these blessings will come to pass only if you diligently obey GodÂ’s voice and keep all of His commandments. And you know that no matter how hard you try, you can never keep them all. If you fail to keep just one commandment, you disqualify yourself from the blessings of God!
My friend, I have good news for you: Jesus is the one who qualifies us for every single blessing because He kept all of GodÂ’s commandments. When He died for us on the cross, He not only fulfilled all of GodÂ’s commandments, He also redeemed us from the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:13) He did not redeem us from the blessings of the law, so the blessings are still ours today!
As you read the list of blessings in Deuteronomy 28, starting with “Blessed shall you be in the city… in the country… the fruit of your body… your basket… when you come in… when you go out…” (Deuteronomy 28:3–13), I believe Jesus is saying to you, “Like the blessings? Take them.”
You may say, “But I don’t deserve them.”
Yes, you don’t deserve them, but you still get them — undeserved blessings! The law says, “You must deserve the blessings.” But the law is no longer here. Grace is here. So take the blessings by grace through faith. Believe God for the blessings.
Today, it is no longer a question of how much or how well you have kept God’s commandments. It is a question of how much you can believe God for His blessings. All the promises of God in Christ are “Yes”, and because you are in Christ, you can say “Amen!” to your blessings! (2 Corinthians 1:20) -
another one of those name it claim it sermons? you forget friend that blessings follow obedience.Originally posted by bernardgoh:GodÂ’s Blessings Are Yours To Take
Deuteronomy 28:2
2And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake youÂ…
God wants to bless you and He delights in blessing you. He has even declared that “all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you”. This means that you won’t be able to run fast enough to escape them! When you turn one corner, there is a blessing waiting for you. When you turn another corner, you run smack into another blessing!
Now, you may think that you are disqualified by the first verse in Deuteronomy 28, which says that these blessings will come to pass only if you diligently obey GodÂ’s voice and keep all of His commandments. And you know that no matter how hard you try, you can never keep them all. If you fail to keep just one commandment, you disqualify yourself from the blessings of God!
My friend, I have good news for you: Jesus is the one who qualifies us for every single blessing because He kept all of GodÂ’s commandments. When He died for us on the cross, He not only fulfilled all of GodÂ’s commandments, He also redeemed us from the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:13) He did not redeem us from the blessings of the law, so the blessings are still ours today!
As you read the list of blessings in Deuteronomy 28, starting with “Blessed shall you be in the city… in the country… the fruit of your body… your basket… when you come in… when you go out…” (Deuteronomy 28:3–13), I believe Jesus is saying to you, “Like the blessings? Take them.”
You may say, “But I don’t deserve them.”
Yes, you don’t deserve them, but you still get them — undeserved blessings! The law says, “You must deserve the blessings.” But the law is no longer here. Grace is here. So take the blessings by grace through faith. Believe God for the blessings.
Today, it is no longer a question of how much or how well you have kept God’s commandments. It is a question of how much you can believe God for His blessings. All the promises of God in Christ are “Yes”, and because you are in Christ, you can say “Amen!” to your blessings! (2 Corinthians 1:20) -
GodÂ’s Blessings Are Yours To Take
Deuteronomy 28:2
2And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake youÂ…
God wants to bless you and He delights in blessing you. He has even declared that “all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you”. This means that you won’t be able to run fast enough to escape them! When you turn one corner, there is a blessing waiting for you. When you turn another corner, you run smack into another blessing!
Now, you may think that you are disqualified by the first verse in Deuteronomy 28, which says that these blessings will come to pass only if you diligently obey GodÂ’s voice and keep all of His commandments. And you know that no matter how hard you try, you can never keep them all. If you fail to keep just one commandment, you disqualify yourself from the blessings of God!
My friend, I have good news for you: Jesus is the one who qualifies us for every single blessing because He kept all of GodÂ’s commandments. When He died for us on the cross, He not only fulfilled all of GodÂ’s commandments, He also redeemed us from the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:13) He did not redeem us from the blessings of the law, so the blessings are still ours today!
As you read the list of blessings in Deuteronomy 28, starting with “Blessed shall you be in the city… in the country… the fruit of your body… your basket… when you come in… when you go out…” (Deuteronomy 28:3–13), I believe Jesus is saying to you, “Like the blessings? Take them.”
You may say, “But I don’t deserve them.”
Yes, you don’t deserve them, but you still get them — undeserved blessings! The law says, “You must deserve the blessings.” But the law is no longer here. Grace is here. So take the blessings by grace through faith. Believe God for the blessings.
Today, it is no longer a question of how much or how well you have kept God’s commandments. It is a question of how much you can believe God for His blessings. All the promises of God in Christ are “Yes”, and because you are in Christ, you can say “Amen!” to your blessings! (2 Corinthians 1:20) -
When you get a revelation of how much Jesus loves you, you will set your love upon Him in response. And when you act out of love for Him, though others may see it as a waste of time, energy or money, He will defend you and deliver you from your critics. He will also set you on high.
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Originally posted by bernardgoh:
Can you quote examples from the OT to support your teachings?? For example, break one commandment and you are "toast" etc. etc.
And you know that no matter how hard you try, you can never keep them all. If you fail to keep just one commandment, you disqualify yourself from the blessings of God! -
so many strange bedfellows nowadaysOriginally posted by Icemoon:bernardgoh
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