A qn from an atheist
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why are some of u all assuming that god exist in the first place.
I guess god is a stuff in the 20th century and before
Now is modern times liao, the 21st century is probably the last century for the belief in god. -
ban unker for repeating what i saidOriginally posted by vince69:alamak... you quoted him... how can you do this? now the part that says noone quoted him is spoilt.
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just to add, heard they already build a machine to simulate the explosive effect of the Big Bang, but in a much much smaller scale and in a lab controlled envirenment.Originally posted by january:the big bang theory and research is still ongoing, in the quantum mechanics field, and astronomy. They are still churning out data, building new machines to collect information...
god-believer dun really research on where god comes from. they just accept the premise that god has always been there kind of reasonings.
the part on how planets and stars are form after the Bang... not enough data yet... -
Originally posted by laurence82:ban unker for repeating what i said
okey... me go face the wall .... bye.... -
really ah.... so good meh? ok ok... so last chance to believe in God liao lor ...Originally posted by january:why are some of u all assuming that god exist in the first place.
I guess god is a stuff in the 20th century and before
Now is modern times liao, the 21st century is probably the last century for the belief in god.
after this... no more chance liao leh... -
You seem very confident... almost like one who subscribes to Scientism.Originally posted by january:why are some of u all assuming that god exist in the first place.
I guess god is a stuff in the 20th century and before
Now is modern times liao, the 21st century is probably the last century for the belief in god. -
To the TS and stupidissmart:
My understanding of how the universe cannot exist by itself:
1) Everything which has a beginning has a cause (hence Christians assert that God is the uncaused cause because of Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning, God...) e.g. to say before we had a beginning, God was already there.
2) Universe has a beginning (Big Bang or whatever)
3) Therefore the universe has a cause.
I'm not intentionally trying to force God into the picture, but even if Big Bang did happen, where did that come from?
EinsteinÂ’s general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space.
Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time—God is ‘the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity’ (Is. 57:15). Therefore He doesn’t have a cause.
My faith cannot be man's interpretation and creativity because the very ideas it expounds are counter intuitive. Among the many others which i will not expound further are THe Beatitudes, some thing i believe if you are a serious investigator would have surely known about.
Another thing is (we've to include the authority of the bible here; something which i will discuss later) it would have been easier to say that Jesus resurrected in the spirit and not in the body. It would have been easier for the supposed person (s) manufacturing Christianity to say that Jesus rose in the spirit, rather than to say Jesus rose bodily. And guess what, people touched him and felt him and saw his nail marks. So there, the claims of Jesus' resurrection.
So, very briefly, i don't believe that man are stupid to create this kind of story which would be so hard to convince.
Abt the other claims of other religions, we would have to analyse and deconstruct carefully, and i dont thk i can answer to the best of them. But what i know from the Protestant Christian pt of view, i can share with you. Indulge me here, but i suspect Buddhism isnt really religion about deities and gods, rather more of a philosophy. Buddha certainly didnt claim to be the supreme god.
The reasoned Christian faith doesnt boastfully claim (do i sound like im boasting?), but truth, by definition, is non contradictory. E.g. something cant be both purple and white at the same time.
Evolution. U make a very bold stand that there is "NO evidence" against evolution... care to back up your claim? The burden of proof is also upon u since u jus made this claim, since this is also something that "be seen or observed from a general point of view".
And while ur at it, i shall state mine.
1) If everything evolved from something, what was the first thing? And who put it there?
2) Evolution works on an assumption of millions of years for its hypothesis to work. Without going into much details, isnt carbon dating faulty in itself? And makes lots of assumptions?
My point is i dont think evolution has tons of evidence to suggest it's true and that it is irrefutable. And of course, science, u say, has not reached maturity, yet u claim to believe something that is not conclusive, isnt that a faith then? Piltdown Hoax, as i raised, was an example that science is just that, unable to define truth and at the very very best, uncertain.
Ptolemy, this guy who lived in 2nd century and very much a scientist, said the planets revolved around the earth. It took mankind at least 11 centuries to refute that, when Copernicus and Gailileo came along. Yes, science really hasnt reached maturity.
stupidissmart, i think compared to Christianity, the atheistic system IS out of the ordinary. Not until Darwin and Huxley came along, did people formally refute the existence of God. Not until the Bastille came down, was the roots of atheism formalized. So compared to the study about the existence of GOd, atheism is the new kid on the block. -
*sigh* I really pity Christians/religious people.
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Threadstarter, are u still reading? if you're not, no point continuing discussion along this line.Originally posted by necrolyt3:How did everything start? What convinced you to believe in god?
Because i was thinking.. how did god come about. Many ppl brush it off by saying god has always been there. How?? -
ppl will only believe in God when
they see him lor
But hor if the whole world get to see him
at one same time , then not good liao
It means that it will be his 2nd coming liao -
*sigh* I really pity close-minded retarded wiseasses who think they know everything and go around asserting their beliefs on everyone because he's an intellectual nazi.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:*sigh* I really pity Christians/religious people. -
hehehe, you sound exactly like the gamblers I talk to/study.Originally posted by noahnoah:ppl will only believe in God when
they see him lor
But hor if the whole world get to see him
at one same time , then not good liao
It means that it will be his 2nd coming liao
They always say, "How do you know that I won't strike Toto this week? So isn't it right that I gamble?"
What is your answer to the gambler? -
*sigh* I really pity someone that does not even know what an argument is and yet tries to make an argument and end up making a fool of himself.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:*sigh* I really pity close-minded retarded wiseasses who think they know everything and go around asserting their beliefs on everyone because he's an intellectual nazi.
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Again you are wrong, Science does not make the monitor work. Like you said, electricity from dynamo, power transmission to home, etc. makes the monitor work. Science merely allows us to understand these elements and aids us in the harnessing of electricity to create the required components which causes the monitor to work. It is through, not because of, science that the monitor works and like I said, you are once again trying to seperate God from Science which you can't do.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Look at the post in 2nd page, 23 October 2007 · 04:32 PM. If no one reply to tat post, then it means I am right
Science is the study of pretty much the world around us and the entire universe, etc. God is part of that universe and God is part of the world around us from what Christians believe and if God is real, which I believe he is, and if humans are smart enough, we'll one day be able to somehow prove the existence of God. -
like God is a thing...Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:" somehow prove the existence of God. " -
Why do you feel the need to introduce/create/assume "God" that you have no evidence, proof of?Originally posted by Troll Warrior:the universe and God are one and the same -
Oh please provide that link, I want everyone to see what a complete moron you areOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:*sigh* I really pity someone that does not even know what an argument is and yet tries to make an argument and end up making a fool of himself.
(If you people are interested, I can give you the link to prove what I just asserted ) -
Of course God is a thing...'God' is a noun and is therefore a 'thing'. IdiotOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:like God is a thing... -
Well a thousand years ago there wasn't any proof that the planets revolved around the Sun. Are you saying that the planets didn't revolve around the Sun back then?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Why do you feel the need to introduce/create/assume "God" that you have no evidence, proof of? -
Why don't you just tell everyone what you think a cohesive argument is?Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Oh please provide that link, I want everyone to see what a complete moron you are Don't lie hor... we can always refer to that thread one hor... -
see what I mean?Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Of course God is a thing...'God' is a noun and is therefore a 'thing'. Idiot -
"the universe revolves around the Sun"Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Well a thousand years ago there wasn't any proof that the universe revolved around the Sun. Are you saying that the universe didn't revolve around the Sun back then?
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Okay then a cohesive argument is an argument which makes logical and sequential sense which is well-integrated in which the next sentence stems from the previous and therefore makes logical sense. A cohesive sentence would be: Let me explain this to you - AndrewPKYap behaves like a complete idiot almost all of the time. However, he only does so while he's awake.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Why don't you just tell everyone what you think a cohesive argument is? Don't lie hor... we can always refer to that thread one hor...
Btw, if you want to argue some more about irrelevant things please do so in another thread, I've wasted enough time with you. -
well of course many do not believe
that God exists
Reason is so simple because they never
experience it before
It is the same theory if you always
hear that Sweden is a nice country
but if you dun fly there to experience it
you will never know the great wonders behind it -
lol whoops my mistake, ive corrected it.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:"the universe revolves around the Sun"
see what I mean?