A qn from an atheist
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It's not about choosing sides. I, for one, prefer a more logical approach in dealing with the creations of God (read: NOT God; to me He is an axiom). Taking Genesis literally is rather silly. I find that the seven days in Genesis were more of seven epochs. Evolution is also a valid theory. What's to say that God did not create proto-animals in Genesis and then through the Laws of the Universe set down by Him, evolution occurred over the years? You have to realize that in trusting that those scientific theories are accurate, it does not mean I have to discard my faith. To quote Palmer Joss from Carl Sagan's novel, Contact, "...it makes God very big." Similarly, I am in greater awe of the creations of God through the revelation of these things.
example is the death of Judas
Then doesn't tat give the idea there is something wrong with the bible because wat is says isn't true and even contradictory ?
some authors wrote he hang himself , then he fell
and his head hit onto a rock and thus up the lorry
or intestine split out and died
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I think this guy can answer your questions better than I can.
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quick question.... want to ask for a while...Originally posted by stupidissmart:If science fly in the face of your faith, such as the age of earth, which side will u choose ?
what is meant by saying "the age of earth"?
A) the age of the planet Earth?
B) the age as in since when life first appear on this planet earth?
(note: even Science as in Big Bang theory also says, life did not appear at the very begining when this planet was form, it takes a while for the planet to cool down enough for life to appear)
C) the age starting with the first Dino?
D) the age starting with the first appearance if Man?
E) some other timeline... (please specify)
thank you.
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I think this guy can answer your questions better than I can
I am just asking a simpel question. Why don't u give the answer in your own words ?what is meant by saying "the age of earth"?
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A) the age of the planet Earth?
B) the age as in since when life first appear on this planet earth?
(note: even Science as in Big Bang theory also says, life did not appear at the very begining when this planet was form, it takes a while for the planet to cool down enough for life to appear)
C) the age starting with the first Dino?
D) the age starting with the first appearance if Man?
E) some other timeline... (please specify)
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ans: A- age of the Planet Earth starting from when it was first formed.Originally posted by stupidissmart:A
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this is exactly what i always hear from my friends.Originally posted by Cool-gal:its the calling.
u can do wad u enjoy or love, but when God appears into ur life, it just happened.
so many things happened to me, in my life, but when God calls upon me, i surrender.
everything is planned la, wadever happened, happen for a reason.
hard to explain unless u experienced it.
Sorry cool gal, use your statement as example.
maybe jondizzle foshizzle and SturmDerSchatten can explain to me?
why must surrender? can fight god anot? fight le then know how powerful he is ma. if not how you concluded that he is more powerful than you? too much influence from the bible saying he is powerful like walk on water(this is i make up 1, you can ignore) etc etc??
if everything is planned, whatever happened, happen for a reason, then can tell me what is the reason? If you can't, at least explain to me how did you get the assumption "everything is planned"? -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:
My answers would have been similar to the author's. Call me lazy, but bleh.
I am just asking a simpel question. Why don't u give the answer in your own words ? -
aiya best you go experienced yourself larOriginally posted by cloud210:this is exactly what i always hear from my friends.
Sorry cool gal, use your statement as example.
maybe jondizzle foshizzle and SturmDerSchatten can explain to me?
why must surrender? can fight god anot? fight le then know how powerful he is ma. if not how you concluded that he is more powerful than you? too much influence from the bible saying he is powerful like walk on water(this is i make up 1, you can ignore) etc etc??
if everything is planned, whatever happened, happen for a reason, then can tell me what is the reason? If you can't, at least explain to me how did you get the assumption "everything is planned"?
i can tell you one thing
different christians will tell your different things lar
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Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ's sacrifice and accept Him as your Saviour? Sorry, but not sure if that's where your faith lies; I need to find out so I know how to structure my answer.Originally posted by cloud210:this is exactly what i always hear from my friends.
Sorry cool gal, use your statement as example.
maybe jondizzle foshizzle and SturmDerSchatten can explain to me?
why must surrender? can fight god anot? fight le then know how powerful he is ma. if not how you concluded that he is more powerful than you? too much influence from the bible saying he is powerful like walk on water(this is i make up 1, you can ignore) etc etc??
if everything is planned, whatever happened, happen for a reason, then can tell me what is the reason? If you can't, at least explain to me how did you get the assumption "everything is planned"?
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Ok, what I'm about to say is my opinion and totally offensive, so if you are a devout Christian, DO NOT read the below. Do not flame me if you insist on reading, you have been warned,
I think the concept of God was created in order to manipulate and extort from the superstitious people that lived millenia ago. -
Originally posted by thehappybunny:
It's not that offensive; seriously, my fellow believers have to learn to take things easier unless they wish to die early from heart strain. It's not the concept of God or deities - those helped establish society by allowing people to have a common identity (I could be mistaken, but please neglect to argue on that point, we don't need to get irrelevant). Rather, it's the concept of "We-are-the-people-who-can-speak-to-the-Higher-Being-and-thus-you-must-follow-us-and-obey-us" concept that has led to what we tend to see of religion today. It's not the religion that has the problem, it's the people who have the problem.
Ok, what I'm about to say is my opinion and totally offensive, so if you are a devout Christian, [b]DO NOT read the below. Do not flame me if you insist on reading, you have been warned,
I think the concept of God was created in order to manipulate and extort from the superstitious people that lived millenia ago.[/b]
Besides, it's your opinion. So long as you don't proclaim it's greater than ours or start calling names, no problem. -
well doesn't that give the idea there's something wrong with science because what scientists say isn't true and even contradictory?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Then doesn't tat give the idea there is something wrong with the bible because wat is says isn't true and even contradictory ?
besides, the important stuff are all written the same it's just the minor unimportant details like how judas died. the important part is that he died not how he died and all versions say he died. -
No you can't fight God because that would be like an ant trying to fight a person. You'll just look at the ant and be like wtf? You wouldn't actually get into a real fight with the ant because that's stupid.Originally posted by cloud210:this is exactly what i always hear from my friends.
Sorry cool gal, use your statement as example.
maybe jondizzle foshizzle and SturmDerSchatten can explain to me?
why must surrender? can fight god anot? fight le then know how powerful he is ma. if not how you concluded that he is more powerful than you? too much influence from the bible saying he is powerful like walk on water(this is i make up 1, you can ignore) etc etc??
if everything is planned, whatever happened, happen for a reason, then can tell me what is the reason? If you can't, at least explain to me how did you get the assumption "everything is planned"?
No I can't tell you the reason because I don't know the reason. Humans aren't intellectually capable to understand God's plan.
Oh yeah, and to fight God would be a physical thing to do and we're not sure if God even has a physical form because he seems more like an entity. -
why cannot fight God har???Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:No you can't fight God because that would be like an ant trying to fight a person. You'll just look at the ant and be like wtf? You wouldn't actually get into a real fight with the ant because that's stupid.
No I can't tell you the reason because I don't know the reason. Humans aren't intellectually capable to understand God's plan.
Oh yeah, and to fight God would be a physical thing to do and we're not sure if God even has a physical form because he seems more like an entity.
got preceeding cases what, both verbal and physical also have
Lets see..
Abraham quarrel with God (more like nagging to me)
his wife Sarah laugh at God (privately) but lied in His face
Job's wife asked him to curse God and die
Jacob play WWF with God from dusk to dawn
consequence.... ownself settle ... -
It's not the religion that has the problem, it's the people who have the problem.
My impression of religion is tat it makes people emotional and irrational and causes a lot of the world problems, be it past or present. Even now it still polarise the worldwell doesn't that give the idea there's something wrong with science because what scientists say isn't true and even contradictory?
If science isn't true, then how do the monitor in front of u work ?besides, the important stuff are all written the same it's just the minor unimportant details like how judas died. the important part is that he died not how he died and all versions say he died.
The important thing is there is something wrong with the bible. And tat u do not know wat and where is wrong. It may very well follow the wrong things -
How is laughing at God fighting him? How is cursing God fighting him?Originally posted by vince69:why cannot fight God har???
got preceeding cases what, both verbal and physical also have
Lets see..
Abraham quarrel with God (more like nagging to me)
his wife Sarah laugh at God (privately) but lied in His face
Job's wife asked him to curse God and die
Jacob play WWF with God from dusk to dawn
consequence.... ownself settle ...
BTW a quarrel isn't what I meant by fight. Sure you can argue with God but doing so is pointless. -
There is something wrong with the bible? Please tell me what's wrong with it.Originally posted by stupidissmart:The important thing is there is something wrong with the bible. And tat u do not know wat and where is wrong. It may very well follow the wrong things
The monitor works not because of science but because of electricity, light, microprocessing, etc. So you can't say the monitor works because of science. Science merely explains how the monitor works but it doesn't make it work. See the difference? -
I like your post.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Ah but why must u seperate science from religion? Let's say I take a pregnant monkey, wait for it to give birth and then kill the mother and put the babies in a room which is similar to its natural habitat.
So the monkeys start to form a community and grow up, all of which have no idea of the existence of anything outside the room. But then they start to find that the trees and plantlife planted in the room have traces that they weren't there to begin with i.e. the gardening tools. So the monkeys (pretty smart monkeys I guess) conclude that their universe (the room) was created by the synergy and coming-together of gardening tools.
All evidence supports their theory because it is true that I did use the gardening tools to create their universe but they still have no way to prove my existence. So technically, because I created their universe I am their 'god'. Some monkeys start to believe in a creator (me) even though they have no evidence of my existence and there's no way they'll find evidence of me because I'm not part of their universe (their room).
Although they might advance in technology by creating crude tools they will never be smart enough to comprehend my existence because they're monkeys.
See a similarity? When you say where the Big Bang came from I could just ask where did that come from and it'll keep repeating until you get to the last thing which is the thing that has always been there and has no beginning. That entity is God. And perhaps God created the chain of events called the Big Bang, maybe he didn't, who's to say?
Science doesn't go against religion, it merely proves how the world works. If we were smart enough we'd be able to prove the existence of a God with science somehow but the thing is, we aren't. We're like the monkeys. Us trying to comprehend the existence of God is like a monkey trying to comprehend how the stock market works. We don't have the intellectual capacity to do so.
If you find that nobody is quoting your post it means that they dont disagree with what you say. which is good.
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this is stupidOriginally posted by davidche:I like your post.
If you find that nobody is quoting your post it means that they dont disagree with what you say. which is good.
by this logic u are disagreeing with his post
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ok... honestly... I find it funny that Sarah can look at God in His face and still lied ...Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:How is laughing at God fighting him? How is cursing God fighting him?
BTW a quarrel isn't what I meant by fight. Sure you can argue with God but doing so is pointless.
anyway... you missed the Physical part on Jacob WWF rumble with God...
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the big bang theory and research is still ongoing, in the quantum mechanics field, and astronomy. They are still churning out data, building new machines to collect information...Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:exactly my point. u say theres no proof as to where god came from so im asking u the same thing, where did the big bang come from?
god-believer dun really research on where god comes from. they just accept the premise that god has always been there kind of reasonings. -
what kind of argument is that. does not mean that people dun talk abt his post means that therefore his post is good.Originally posted by davidche:I like your post.
If you find that nobody is quoting your post it means that they dont disagree with what you say. which is good. -
dont bother abt himOriginally posted by january:what kind of argument is that. does not mean that people dun talk abt his post means that therefore his post is good.
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There is something wrong with the bible? Please tell me what's wrong with it.
I can tell u tons of them. Scientifically flawed (earth age, evolution, noah ark), new testaments and old testaments appear to be written by complete different beings, contradictions in many points (example who is the first person to see christ when he resurrect) and logically flawed (trinity is logically impossible)The monitor works not because of science but because of electricity, light, microprocessing, etc. So you can't say the monitor works because of science. Science merely explains how the monitor works but it doesn't make it work. See the difference?
I think u don't get science
If there is no science, no one can make monitor out to be used. Science tell the process for manufacture (machining, moulding, semiconductor), produce the theories to make monitor works (LCD, CRT) and form other necessary equipment and environment for monitor to work (electricity from dynamo, power transmission to home).
Science does not only explain how it work, it is USED and PROVEN to work.If you find that nobody is quoting your post it means that they dont disagree with what you say. which is good
Look at the post in 2nd page, 23 October 2007 · 04:32 PM. If no one reply to tat post, then it means I am right
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alamak... you quoted him... how can you do this? now the part that says noone quoted him is spoilt.Originally posted by davidche:I like your post.
If you find that nobody is quoting your post it means that they dont disagree with what you say. which is good. 
