How to gauge yr church is preaching the right word of God?
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Hmm, i can be considered as a baby christian bah. I was called to the altar call on april 2006. I understand that each church, regardless big or small.. has their own direction of doctrine..in their sermons.(or focus bah).
for example:
New creation church(NCC) talks about the powerful message of Grace, about not living under the law....But people can criticize it as NCC is merely preaching the good news, or that there is a missing balance of Law and grace
City Harvest's is routinely criticized for the music career of Ho Yeow San; and for their over-zealous act of forcifully bringing friends to their services or drama events and then by due peer pressure, force their friends to the altar call..
FCBC is criticized because the Head Pastor's uses magic performances to deliver the gospel. People feel that .. using magic is somehow bad. and being dis-respectful to God
LightHouse is criticized for their emphasis on Healing...and there are critics who do not believe in those miracle healing services...
However, if the above 4 mega churchs are not preaching the right word of God, then how did God allow these 4 churches to grow and prosper into Mega churches?. WHy would God for instance bless Ho Yeow San with such a illustrious music career success in the U.S? Why would God bless NCC with such a Huge cash reserve of S$100million!?!?!
At the same time, there are also the homely, tradition, closely knit family churches.. where their membership is dwindling, or say the existing flock has gotten too close and cosy together that the clique formed is so strong that new comers find it hard to fit into the family church. Some small church may also do certain rituals for the sake of doing it. Yet does it mean that the messenger of God i.e. the Pastor's of these small/family churches are not preaching the right word of god?
Is it correct to then say that a church who has the annointing of our daddy God and is preaching the right word of God, will be blessed by daddy God to grow in strength to strength be it in numbers and cash reserves.. while those churches who are dwindling.. i can say its because.. they are not delivering the correct message from our daddy God?
Hmm i know this thread may offend my brothers and sisters from the family churches. I apologize in advance. I just want to sort this out since im still a baby christian Bah.
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there is no perfect church in this world
because no perfect pastors too
When a church grow too big
ppl say bad things about it
Is like that one lar
Who cares
Follow your own heart
IF God have plant you into a church
just follow lor
If you ask something good from heavenly Father
will he give you a snake
no right
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yeah.. i agree la. sometime those small homely churches can be very cliquey.
the youths of my church are like that.
so sian. feel abit outsider.
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i used to be from new creation and cityharvestOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:yeah.. i agree la. sometime those small homely churches can be very cliquey.
the youths of my church are like that.
so sian. feel abit outsider.
i mean they are great church
nice ppl too
even i am no longer in this two churches
i still think they are great
We have no right to judge churches at all
God will judge us back if we start to judge those pastors
I dun want to tio strike down by GOd -
hah no link with my post lehOriginally posted by noahnoah:i used to be from new creation and cityharvest
i mean they are great church
nice ppl too
even i am no longer in this two churches
i still think they are great
We have no right to judge churches at all
God will judge us back if we start to judge those pastors
I dun want to tio strike down by GOd 
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Originally posted by New Creation:Hmm, i can be considered as a baby christian bah. I was called to the altar call on april 2006. I understand that each church, regardless big or small.. has their own direction of doctrine..in their sermons.(or focus bah).
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However, if the above 4 mega churchs are not preaching the right word of God, then how did God allow these 4 churches to grow and prosper into Mega churches?. WHy would God for instance bless Ho Yeow San with such a illustrious music career success in the U.S? Why would God bless NCC with such a Huge cash reserve of S$100million!?!?!
There is no God. If there is, He wouldn't be interested in making any Church rich or full of reserve. You are so silly to believe what these churches and their leaders tell you! I have never seen so many naive people as Christians. God has been used by so many for so long and yet nobody can see thru this?
At the same time, there are also the homely, tradition, closely knit family churches.. where their membership is dwindling, or say the existing flock has gotten too close and cosy together that the clique formed is so strong that new comers find it hard to fit into the family church. Some small church may also do certain rituals for the sake of doing it. Yet does it mean that the messenger of God i.e. the Pastor's of these small/family churches are not preaching the right word of god?
You still can't see the big picture? Organised religion is mega-business. The bigger the follow-sheep, the richer the church is. You are asking the wrong question! Very naive.
Is it correct to then say that a church who has the annointing of our daddy God and is preaching the right word of God, will be blessed by daddy God to grow in strength to strength be it in numbers and cash reserves.. while those churches who are dwindling.. i can say its because.. they are not delivering the correct message from our daddy God?
What crap?
Hmm i know this thread may offend my brothers and sisters from the family churches. I apologize in advance. I just want to sort this out since im still a baby christian Bah.
You have not offended anybody but you have insulted yourself
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Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:
When even agnostic and moderately atheist scientists have reserved their judgment on whether there is a God, you seem very confident in proclaiming your first statement. How interesting.
There is no God. If there is, He wouldn't be interested in making any Church rich or full of reserve. You are so silly to believe what these churches and their leaders tell you! I have never seen so many naive people as Christians. God has been used by so many for so long and yet nobody can see thru this? -
Amazingly .. he just confirmed a certain verse in Psalms.Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:When even agnostic and moderately atheist scientists have reserved their judgment on whether there is a God, you seem very confident in proclaiming your first statement. How interesting.
Most of you should know which one I referring to right? -
Originally posted by New Creation:
Why is the 3rd wealthiest man in the world a casino operator that induces people to gamble?
Hmm, i can be considered as a baby christian bah. I was called to the altar call on april 2006. I understand that each church, regardless big or small.. has their own direction of doctrine..in their sermons.(or focus bah).
for example:
[b]New creation church(NCC) talks about the powerful message of Grace, about not living under the law....But people can criticize it as NCC is merely preaching the good news, or that there is a missing balance of Law and grace
City Harvest's is routinely criticized for the music career of Ho Yeow San; and for their over-zealous act of forcifully bringing friends to their services or drama events and then by due peer pressure, force their friends to the altar call..
FCBC is criticized because the Head Pastor's uses magic performances to deliver the gospel. People feel that .. using magic is somehow bad. and being dis-respectful to God
LightHouse is criticized for their emphasis on Healing...and there are critics who do not believe in those miracle healing services...
However, if the above 4 mega churchs are not preaching the right word of God, then how did God allow these 4 churches to grow and prosper into Mega churches?. WHy would God for instance bless Ho Yeow San with such a illustrious music career success in the U.S? Why would God bless NCC with such a Huge cash reserve of S$100million!?!?!
Thanks and i look 4ward to hearing your thoughts on this. [/b]
Remeber that guy that pleaded with God to let him win the gamble or else?... he killed his wife, his children and himeslef and he lives in Tampines.
Be careful how you judge "good" and "bad" hor... using money to gauge if people are "good" and that is why God is prospering them is like saying that since Osama is not yet caught because he is protected by God.
beliefs beliefs... leading to the D word.... -
He trying to suan you - he dares not judge big churches, but you judge small churches.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:hah no link with my post leh
Edit: He said - "We have no right to judge churches at all" (by that he means not even small churches) -
Who ah? Among the richest men, got casino operator meh?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Why is the 3rd wealthiest man in the world a casino operator that induces people to gamble?
Bill Gates? Sultan of Brunei? Some oil magnate? Warren Buffet? Some Indian property king? -
The third richest man in the world.... he is building a casino in Singapore bearing his namesake. Bill Gates is number one and Warren (before he gave away all his money is number two... (technically he is number two behind Bill Gates) because Buffet has pledge away almost all his wealth.Originally posted by Icemoon:Who ah? Among the richest men, got casino operator meh?
Bill Gates? Sultan of Brunei? Some oil magnate? Warren Buffet? Some Indian property king?
Another thought, Buffet was blessed and because he is now not so rich (after giving his wealth away) he is a cursed person?
beliefs beliefs... leading to the D word.... -
a lot of cults r famously rich too while its members r getting poorer. Tis is because the money come from its members. If rich= right, then scientology is right.
I think the right religion should be one tat waste the people resources into building churches or earning points from bank accounts by taking money from the people. The right belief is just to promote the right things isn't it ? If they have enough resources, then they should ask the members to keep the money and not keep asking them to donate for not good reason. Sounds like the old NKF isn't it ?
Why build a million dollar church with stupid wasteful decorations ? Does god want church to work like shopping centers or casino or country club where people go over because they r attracted to the appearence -
PSALM 14?Originally posted by Icemoon:Amazingly .. he just confirmed a certain verse in Psalms.
Most of you should know which one I referring to right? -
wahah .. you better than me .. at least you know the chapter and verse.Originally posted by Manager433:PSALM 14? -
By the way, I didn't know the same thing is repeated in Psalms 53 also.
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I read thru the pages but dun know if this is the correct verse.Originally posted by Icemoon:wahah .. you better than me .. at least you know the chapter and verse. -
hahaha, many people before me have already made this statement confidently. Just because some 'eminent' scientists make a statement, they must be right! There is no concrete proof - just a lot of hogwash!Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:When even agnostic and moderately atheist scientists have reserved their judgment on whether there is a God, you seem very confident in proclaiming your first statement. How interesting. -
Why don't you quote the verse and I will demolish it convincingly for you?Originally posted by Icemoon:Amazingly .. he just confirmed a certain verse in Psalms.
Most of you should know which one I referring to right? -
Originally posted in the thread :issue regarding sex ......
You are a sexual moralist to a fault. But your thinking are all faulty!
Since you believed in Creator God and Creation, then:
1) First, God created Adam (man). Then he saw Adam was unhappy despite having all the goods things in the Garden of Eden!
2) So God make Eve (woman) out of Adam, and from then Adam was satisfied (by sex!).
3) Eve was bored with all the fruits she ate except the Apple. Why was the Apple tree in the Garden? Who planted it there?
4) Of course, God like Human, put the blame on somebody else (projection). That's how Satan came into being in the form of a serpent.
5) From then on, a disappointed God didn't want to do any work anymore!
6) So, the Almighty rested, and the rest of creation was carried on by Adam and Eve - that's call procreation!
7) Also, that's the reason why Christians today are told to do God's work since God had stopped working!
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I am surprised there was no response from the usual 'people' who normally do not hesistate to ...... been there since 9 Oct! -
Don't be so quick to place judgment on my words. I just made an observation, not making a comparison...though, whatever you might deem it to be, it is not my problem. Although I'd advise speaking less aggressively for fear of you looking ignorant in the eyes of others.
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Aha! Nice one. I didn't think of it until you mentioned it.Originally posted by Icemoon:Amazingly .. he just confirmed a certain verse in Psalms.
Most of you should know which one I referring to right?
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don't know if you are replying to my post ..... but my comment is the same even if it was not meant for me: only an ignorant will associate 'aggressive' talks or statements as ignorant. Personally, I don't care how people see me, all I want to see is HOW THEY CAN DEMOLISH MY STATEMENT.Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:Don't be so quick to place judgment on my words. I just made an observation, not making a comparison...though, whatever you might deem it to be, it is not my problem. Although I'd advise speaking less aggressively for fear of you looking ignorant in the eyes of others. -
I think God uses different churches for His purposes, big or small. If you think your church is doing well, good for you. If your church is not doing well, then stand up and contribute.
There is no purpose in debating whose church is better. You are the dwelling of God. You are a reflection of God no matter which church you worship at.
I will lock this thread so that the "discussion" does not lead to division and to prevent eager people who wants to add fuel to fire.