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yup... quite worrying... I agree... hence this question is for the threadstarter.Originally posted by Icemoon:Like I said, we are not sure whether it is a norm or not. If it is a norm, then quite worrying isn't it?
Btw, Jews were from the Kingdom of Judah, my mistake. Basically those Israelites who never opted out, mostly from Judah and Levi.
oh... ten broke way.... to form the kingdom of Israel
two remains to form the kingdom of Judah (Judah, Benjermin)
Livites, decendants of Levi, not counted.
the two son of Joseph, each counted as one tribe.
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For a moment, I thought I have had the wrong knowledge about who the Jews are.Originally posted by Icemoon:Btw, Jews were from the Kingdom of Judah, my mistake.
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I think it is not about fitting a standard. It's about having the right perspective about your relationship with God and with the people around you. To be sinless, is to have a right relationship with God.
The standard of sinning is so trivial tat god himself say it is impossible. Being borned already make u sinful. Being borned is sinful, being alive is sinful and almost anything and anytime u r sinful. Even monks who help others in their lives r sinful. The only solution is to believe in christ. Then they should simply change the term to "slaves" of christ is the right relationship, and not the word "sinless". I give an example
1) A says he like cute things
2) but everything he see is not cute, even the things tat everyone says is cute.
3) he says blue things r cute though, even though everyone say it is not cute
then we can conclude A like blue things, and not like cute things
Similarly, the only right relationship is being slaves to god, and not being sinlessIf you do not believe that you are created by God, and that He has a right to your life, then everything will be unfair and everything God does can be considered "evil".
If I believe god create human, and he has a right to our life, I still find it unfair and evil and tat is wat it is all about. He kill people just because they cannot fit their standard and tat is evil -
use your analogy here..Originally posted by stupidissmart:If I believe god create human, and he has a right to our life, I still find it unfair and evil and tat is wat it is all about. He kill people just because they cannot fit their standard and tat is evil
IF[ God created human.... does that means He owns us? does it also means we belong to Him?
IF[ we belongs to Him, does it also means He have the right to deal with us, in whatever manner He deem fitting?
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Thank you, SIS. Though I don't quite understand your reasoning fully, I know your stand.
Let me end my part here by mentioning that being right with God is no longer impossible from the Christian point of view. It requires a change of perspective and acceptance of God's sovereignty. I have had doubts before but my experiences has helped me through my journey of faith.
Since we stand on different sides, let us just leave it as it is.
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Very hard to be on for God...
I have failed badly sia..... -
IF[ God created human.... does that means He owns us? does it also means we belong to Him?
My answers have taken these IF into account
IF[ we belongs to Him, does it also means He have the right to deal with us, in whatever manner He deem fitting?
If he create human, if he want to deal with human badly and treat them as slaves and kill them indiscrimately, then I will say it is an evil being, from the perspective of human. There is no love, and his only desire from us is to seek unquestionable obedience. [/quote] -
so if it is..... what are you going to do about it??? after all he's GodOriginally posted by stupidissmart:If he create human, if he want to deal with human badly and treat them as slaves and kill them indiscrimately, then I will say it is an evil being, from the perspective of human. There is no love, and his only desire from us is to seek unquestionable obedience -
no hor... if He create you, means He own you, means you ish His property, means He have the rights to do whatever He please hor... you cannot complaint one hor...Originally posted by stupidissmart:My answers have taken these IF into account
If he create human, if he want to deal with human badly and treat them as slaves and kill them indiscrimately, then I will say it is an evil being, from the perspective of human. There is no love, and his only desire from us is to seek unquestionable obedience
Just like you have the rights to label your stuff as rubbish and send them to the rubbish dump hor...
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no hor... if He create you, means He own you, means you ish His property, means He have the rights to do whatever He please hor... you cannot complaint one hor...
Because we have feeling and emotion and tat make us different from rmere rubbish. I ask u then, the cat and dog and pigs and chicken r your slaves. If u love them, u will treat them well and send them to see doctors or buy good food for them and talk with them etc. If u do not love them, u will treat them like domestic animals and kill them for meat. I am not saying god, if his omnipotency cannot do tat, but he cannot claim he love men because he do not show love in his actions.
Just like you have the rights to label your stuff as rubbish and send them to the rubbish dump hor...
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Thats why when once when convert to a christian
better obey God with all your heart
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hahaha, isn't this all very "HUMAN" ???Originally posted by noahnoah:Thats why when once when convert to a christian
better obey God with all your heart
or else...........