What good does arguments bring?
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Some people, in fact many, are just too idiotic and delusional to engage in a discussion with and it is good to point out to them how idiotic and delusional they are, for their own good.
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I am talking about the merits, if you notice....Originally posted by laurence82:This topic maciam like Saddam Hussein, after invading Kuwait, goes to UN and talks about demerits of wars -
oops, wrong thread...
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yeah right
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Ah Lauy, full of loveOriginally posted by laurence82:yeah right 
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selected people onlyOriginally posted by vince69:Ah Lauy, full of love -
like that oneOriginally posted by laurence82:selected people only
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some people dont deserve my loveOriginally posted by vince69:like that one
very precious u noe
like fountain of youth like that -
thanks for your loveOriginally posted by laurence82:some people dont deserve my love
very precious u noe
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okOriginally posted by gasband:thanks for your love
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fountain of youth for $199? Real or not? Made in China one issit? Drink oready will be poisoned or not?Originally posted by laurence82:ok
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who's selling fountain of youth?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:fountain of youth for $199? Real or not? Made in China one issit? Drink oready will be poisoned or not? -
I used to try and take things both ways and give the other person a chance to understand me as well. However, it has failed so many times to have discussion two way that I've given up. Somehow some people just don't give the same respect to listen to you when you have tried to understand their POV.Originally posted by kramnave:Technically arguments are for self-high only. Arguments in forums do not change anything and most of the time people are only interested in arguing their point of view but not listening. Good entertainment value though.
Very often, not just in EH itself, people do not see your posts or words for what they really mean to say. But I don't blame the people, not in most cases anyway. It's just the way discussions are on the internet. -
Discussion is the exploration, investigation and examination of a subject by an exchange of ideas through conversation, argument and comment.
The objective is to have a better idea of the said subject and assist in knowing determining the loopholes, knowing alternative ideas and is probably the best means to find out the truth.
Hindering discussion is the same as censorship, and is in a way preventing truth from being found. In another way, it is hiding the truth.
It is pretty dissappointing tat a lot of threads have been closed for no apparent reasons while the one left r pretty... insignificant... such as the age of your bible. I find it as interesting as discussing the age of my house or the TV in my living room or the mirror in the bathroom.
A common reason why such threads r closed is simply because there is "flaming". However in many cases none of it is present yet it is still closed away. Another popular reason put forward is it is a "christian"website. Because it is a christian website, tat is why christian topics r discussed. Christian website doesn't means christian must win all arguments, otherwise it is closed. Another misconcept is christian has answered the queries and the others have to keep mum after tat. Discussion is an exchange of ideas, and I don't think just because it is a christian website then christian must have the last word and decide when to stop or go.
Of course, moderators have the power to close any thread he deem unsightly and of course, people can have the impressions tat it is aristocratic, high handed and a blatant abuse of power. Does such an action comes from a person tat has confidence in his beliefs ? I don't see such blatant censorship in other religious forums or topics dealing with science. Overall it gives a bad impression. -
From http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=226660
1) State the purpose of your thread clearly. Short, blanket statements without any clarification is not helpful to the discussion.
3) Offensive content to Christianity and other religions are not welcomed.
4) Show respect to our faith and others in this forum. Show respect to the people who come to this forum too. The consensus towards each other's belief is respect.
I suppose that answers why you have topics closed. There are, after all, some trolls wandering about in this forum. -
Just a bit of comment to add to your postOriginally posted by stupidissmart:Discussion is the exploration, investigation and examination of a subject by an exchange of ideas through conversation, argument and comment.
personally, if the purpose is to exchange ideas and views, I won't call it an argument, which gives the notion of being in a fight, debate may be a better word to use
The objective is to have a better idea of the said subject and assist in knowing determining the loopholes, knowing alternative ideas and is probably the best means to find out the truth.
if not able to reach conclusion, at least can encourage better understanding, which is also good.
Hindering discussion is the same as censorship, and is in a way preventing truth from being found. In another way, it is hiding the truth.
Hindering genuine discussion is not good
It is pretty dissappointing tat a lot of threads have been closed for no apparent reasons while the one left r pretty... insignificant... such as the age of your bible. I find it as interesting as discussing the age of my house or the TV in my living room or the mirror in the bathroom.
hmm, you do have a point here, that should be in chit chat, I supose
A common reason why such threads r closed is simply because there is "flaming". However in many cases none of it is present yet it is still closed away. Another popular reason put forward is it is a "christian"website. Because it is a christian website, tat is why christian topics r discussed. Christian website doesn't means christian must win all arguments, otherwise it is closed. Another misconcept is christian has answered the queries and the others have to keep mum after tat. Discussion is an exchange of ideas, and I don't think just because it is a christian website then christian must have the last word and decide when to stop or go.
agree on the point that christians need not have the final say, even here
Of course, moderators have the power to close any thread he deem unsightly and of course, people can have the impressions tat it is aristocratic, high handed and a blatant abuse of power. Does such an action comes from a person tat has confidence in his beliefs ? I don't see such blatant censorship in other religious forums or topics dealing with science. Overall it gives a bad impression. -
It does bring a lot of good, against evil people
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Things like that cause sweeping statements.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Some people, in fact many, are just too idiotic and delusional to engage in a discussion with and it is good to point out to them how idiotic and delusional they are, for their own good. -
Sweeping statements help clean this pretentious environment. People just can't accept statements not to their liking. Isn't this statement sweeping: all non Christians go to hell?Originally posted by SumOne:Things like that cause sweeping statements. -
Erm..... no.... again don't misunderstand/misintepret. Please don't be so close-minded.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Sweeping statements help clean this pretentious environment. People just can't accept statements not to their liking.
Being nice and polite doesn't necessarily mean being pretentious. Maybe such a train of thought is alien or foreign in your world, but you know, alternative view?Isn't this statement sweeping: all non Christians go to hell?
This statement is a different thing, it involves ideology. True or not is one thing, but even if you don't believe that non-Christians go to hell, it is not a sweeping statement.
I would previously have tried to explain, but I do not know if you might understand me or refuse to see my point/different perspective/view that is alternative to yours.
Ultimately, I think your agenda is not so much about the sweeping statements, who's being pretentious or not. It's not even about difference in ideology. -
To add, I think sometimes whether or not the arguements ultimately helps to improve anything depends on the intentions behind the arguement. For example, if the intention behind it is just a hate campaigin, or just so that one person can be 'louder' than the rest, then I guess the arguement can hardly be constructive.
It's important to consider for what is it we are arguing about and why, the why to some extent also determines how we act in the arguement. We have seen in EH over the year and even recently how there are some that want to present their ideological views across, whereas others just want to direct their hate and anger across. -
This is your mistaken conclusion. You only see different view as anger and hate. Just like I see the way you try to sweep aside my claim that the statement "non Christians go to hell" is also a sweeping statement. You gave excuse that it is theology. So theological statement cannot be sweeping? Indeed, you showed what bigotry is all about.Originally posted by SumOne:To add, I think sometimes whether or not the arguements ultimately helps to improve anything depends on the intentions behind the arguement. For example, if the intention behind it is just a hate campaigin, or just so that one person can be 'louder' than the rest, then I guess the arguement can hardly be constructive.
It's important to consider for what is it we are arguing about and why, the why to some extent also determines how we act in the arguement. We have seen in EH over the year and even recently how there are some that want to present their ideological views across, whereas others just want to direct their hate and anger across. -
I think you have misunderstood again. Moreover, this one is a general statement. Those who have been in this forum long enough will know what I mean. This comment as well as TS's orig post was based on things that have happened in EH not just recently but over the past year again. If anyone is mistaken, it is you.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:This is your mistaken conclusion.
You proved my point that you won't get what I'm saying.You only see different view as anger and hate. [/quote]
This is your mistaken conclusion.[quote]Just like I see the way you try to sweep aside my claim that the statement "non Christians go to hell" is also a sweeping statement. You gave excuse that it is theology. So theological statement cannot be sweeping? Indeed, you showed what bigotry is all about.