Issue regarding SEX, do clear your doubts here.
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Its very funny...this person also says man are anirmals and sex is just an activity like eating....from another post, he says he's not a Christian, then why do you bother coming here.
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Likewise, for everywhere else in the bible, you will never find God advocating for your "healthy sex" theory of having sex outside of marriage for the sake of a "healthy sex life". It is always always within marriage, and wherever sex mentioned out of marriage, it was always referred to as a sin.
To be perfectly honest, god advocate incest (adam and eve decendents, noah's family), obliged to marry your sister in law (onan, Deuteronomy 25) and sex with slaves (exodus 21:7).
Just to point out tat sex is not as harmful as people mentioned in tis thread. Couples having sex but only have pleasure as the objective (usage of contraceptive) instead of reproduction is perfectly normal and healthy. A single guy masturbating has no harmful effect as well. To be honest again, even if u have premarital sex, as long as u r matured responsible adults, it is again harmless to society. It is similar to drinking alcohol. If u r an irresponsible adult, u can drink and drive and hit and run which also has disasterous effect. -
We shall see if you'll do it with your daughter and your son's wife...
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We shall see if you'll do it with your daughter and your son's wife...
Hey, did I say I will commit incest ? I only speak the truth tat god let its people commit incest. Someone (which is u) had mentioned tat nowhere is the bible do they mention healthy sex outside marriage. So how about Adam and eve and noah's ark ? People always mention about adam and eve and not adam and steve, or adam and eve is a sign of marriage etc etc etc but it is as plain as day their families commit incest, and do it pretty often to "populate" the world. I am pretty sure abel or cain have sex with their direct relatives as well. Why do god allow incest and even encourage it by asking adam and eve and their decendents to populate the world but suddenly make it become a deadly sin now ? Is incest healthy sex ? it is the worst and most evil sexual activity, much worst than pre marital sex, sex with contraceptives, masturbation or even homosexual.
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Anyone remember David Koresh?
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Because of the previous excellent reply by specialOps, I read through genesis tonight and find some very interesting sexual activity tat is found in the bible
Abram tell people his wife is his sister and allow the pharoah to marry her wife. It is a good move because he got a lot of possession from it. Poor pharoah though, he got cursed by god even when he is cheated. Abram then have sex with his maidservant when he is already married and give birth to sons. Sad to say the servant got mistreated and even sent off. Then Abraham again use the old trick and tell his wife is his sister at another time and let her marry another king ? And in the end u know wat is the most amazing thing ? Abraham wife is really his sister !! They commit incest and tat give birth to isaac !?!
Then u know wat happened to Lot ? He have sex with his 2 daughters and they bore him a son ? Now is he his grandfather or father ? Wat happened after tat ? Jacob married 2 sisters, then have sex with their servants too. Onan get killed because he practise the withdrawal method but Judah is fine when he visit prostitute and have sex with his daughter in law.
If u read the bible, u will realised sex with servants, incest with daughters and sisters, polygamy, having sex with sister in laws and daughter in laws etc is all fully supported by god.
Now tell me, after all tis happened in the bible, can u still say tat sex is sacred and only used for reproduction and only when married ? It seemed to me tat it is used as pleasure and trade and they can do it with anyone. -
Originally posted by specialOps:
I'm very curious which church TheGoodEarth comes from.
Because if this is what his church teaches, then something is super wrong, and I think 90% of the people minus his church mates would agree.
The 90% who agree with you didn't even read my post! As for the 10% I donate to church.
You say that Adam and Eve were simply man and woman, and they were not married?
You saw their wedding photos or were you invited to their wedding ceremony?
[b]Think again.
I am a Free Tinker and I think all the time 90% plus 10%.
Adam and Eve were created already wedded, how do you expect them to have a 'wedding ceremony' when they have no earthly father or mother or anyone around yet? Obviously they were already designed married.
Before Adam and Eve there were Ada and Eve. You are so naive to believe in the Adam and Eve story?
How do we know? Think again.
Adam and Eve did not sleep around with just any other man and woman. They were a family unit.
Was there any other Adams and Eves? Read your Bible again and think even harder!
Likewise, for everywhere else in the bible, you will never find God advocating for your "healthy sex" theory of having sex outside of marriage for the sake of a "healthy sex life". It is always always within marriage, and wherever sex mentioned out of marriage, it was always referred to as a sin.
If you want to believe in your "healthy sex" doctrine, that sex and marriage is seperate, and you can have your fun outside of marriage, then wait till you're married, and I'll see if you will allow your wife to have some healthy sex life beside doing it with you.
If you want to find a reason to sin, you can always pick up one or two scripture, twist it and find an excuse.
The Word is a complete counsel, a doctrine is established as true when it is coherent from beginning to end in the bible. God is not confused, He doesn't change his mind about what is right and wrong from time to time.
By the way, which church do you come from, and which pastor taught you that. Very interesting....
For this 'distorted part' SutpidIsSmart has done a wonderful researching the Bible.
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That's why I said Christians are bigots. They are closed-minded and are not open to other views.Originally posted by specialOps:Its very funny...this person also says man are anirmals and sex is just an activity like eating....from another post, he says he's not a Christian, then why do you bother coming here.
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This is the right approach - good research, genuine, unbias, unpretentious and telling it like it is instead of hiding and twisting and subverting the truth!Originally posted by stupidissmart:Because of the previous excellent reply by specialOps, I read through genesis tonight and find some very interesting sexual activity tat is found in the bible
Abram tell people his wife is his sister and allow the pharoah to marry her wife. It is a good move because he got a lot of possession from it. Poor pharoah though, he got cursed by god even when he is cheated. Abram then have sex with his maidservant when he is already married and give birth to sons. Sad to say the servant got mistreated and even sent off. Then Abraham again use the old trick and tell his wife is his sister at another time and let her marry another king ? And in the end u know wat is the most amazing thing ? Abraham wife is really his sister !! They commit incest and tat give birth to isaac !?!
Then u know wat happened to Lot ? He have sex with his 2 daughters and they bore him a son ? Now is he his grandfather or father ? Wat happened after tat ? Jacob married 2 sisters, then have sex with their servants too. Onan get killed because he practise the withdrawal method but Judah is fine when he visit prostitute and have sex with his daughter in law.
If u read the bible, u will realised sex with servants, incest with daughters and sisters, polygamy, having sex with sister in laws and daughter in laws etc is all fully supported by god.
Now tell me, after all tis happened in the bible, can u still say tat sex is sacred and only used for reproduction and only when married ? It seemed to me tat it is used as pleasure and trade and they can do it with anyone.
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The bible can be read as such. A love story between the creator and his creations, a novel. Like all novels, there are saints and there villians. The characters in the bible were ordinary humans, with human weaknesses, like everyone here in EH. The bible is unpretentious and is brutally honest. (BTW I take the position that only the OT is scriptures) There are rapes, muders, incests, bloodshed etc, you name it, its in the bible. The bible is a learning experience for humankind. It is an experience of love that transcend human weaknesses. It give us a hope and a future that humankind can be redeemed. Out of our anger and hatred, we may learn to love and forgive. We may learn morality. Thus we have the 7 universal laws for humanity as revealed in the Torah.
The 7 laws of Noah.
1. Do not utter G-d's name in vain. Genesis 3:1. e.g suicide bombers and inquisitons etc. All these are done in the name of G-d.
2. Do not worship false gods. Genesis 3:5 e.g . The tree i worship is bigger than the tree you worship. Not agreeable, fight and kill each other.
3. Do not steal.Genesis 3:6
4. Do not murder. Genesis 4:8
5. Do not be immoral. Genesis 6:1-4
6. Set up righteous and honest courts and apply fair justice in judging offenders of the above. Genesis 6:5-7
7. Be kind to animals. Do not eat part of live animals. Genesis 9:3-4
Perhaps, Icemoon can enlighten us. He is one person in EH that understand Torah.
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The bible can be read as such. A love story between the creator and his creations, a novel. Like all novels, there are saints and there villians. The characters in the bible were ordinary humans, with human weaknesses, like everyone here in EH. The bible is unpretentious and is brutally honest. (BTW I take the position that only the OT is scriptures) There are rapes, muders, incests, bloodshed etc, you name it, its in the bible. The bible is a learning experience for humankind. It is an experience of love that transcend human weaknesses. It give us a hope and a future that humankind can be redeemed. Out of our anger and hatred, we may learn to love and forgive. We may learn morality.
Looking from a pessimistic angle, the bible is a book tat make people hopeless. God is unfair, as evident in the genesis who reward villains and liers while punished good people who did nothing wrong. God practise favourtism and look with favour on certain individual such as whose bloodline and if u r not his favoured bloodline, u have to stand unfair treatment. It teaches morality yet abolished them as well, as people who did criminal acts go about rewarded (sarah is a particular vicious person who become the mother of all nation) while those who commit minor sins r cursed with death (onan and job's family r sad tales). It also teaches people about revenge, and it is shown by killing of many tribes for not good reason and some is even encouraged by god itself.
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If you read the creation story in genesis. G-d did not create hell. It is church teaching that believers of Jesus go to heaven, when they die and non-believers go to hell. According to the OT, if we disobey the commanment of G_d i.e the 7 laws of Noah, we will be punished. If we obey we will be blessed. That is why G-d require us to set up righteous and honest courts and apply fair justice in judging offenders. In Judaism, when a person die, he dies and his spirit returns to G-d. "Abrahim breathed his last and died in a ripe old age, an old man satisfied with life, and he was gathered to his people." genesis 25:8. It is important that we be satisfied with our life. If we live a righteous life, we may make some mistakes along the way, if we repent, G-d will surely forgive us.
"Yet you say, the way of the Lord is not right. Hear O house of Isreal! Is my ways not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has commited he will die. Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickness which he has commited and practices justices and righteousness, he will save his life. Because he considered and turned away from all his transgression which he had commited, he shall surely live, he shall not die" Ezekiel 18:19-26.
Regarding Sarah, it is recorded in genesis that she died and Abrahim buried her in a cave. There is no mention of any heavenly rewards.
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".....It also teaches people about revenge, and it is shown by killing many tribes for no good reasons and some is even encouraged by G-d itself."
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The people that G-d commanded Moses to exterminate are not saints. They practised child sacrifice. In the eyes of G-d this is a terrible iniquity.
"Then in the forth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete" genesis 15:16.
The practices of justices and righteousness belongs to our realms, not G-d. It is humans, that can make our world a living heaven or a living hell, not G-d
It is people that kill, robbed, raped, murder, suicide bombing etc. not G-d. If only all humankind practised the 7 laws of humanity given by G-d. Surely you will agree that the world will be redeemed and peace to the world.
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"Abrahim breathed his last and died in a ripe old age, an old man satisfied with life, and he was gathered to his people." genesis 25:8. It is important that we be satisfied with our life. If we live a righteous life, we may make some mistakes along the way, if we repent, G-d will surely forgive us.
To be frank, I don't see why the verse u quoted got anything to do with your message
The verse u quoted me simply suggest abraham live a happy life which is obvious since he is his favourite guy then"Yet you say, the way of the Lord is not right. Hear O house of Isreal! Is my ways not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has commited he will die. Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickness which he has commited and practices justices and righteousness, he will save his life. Because he considered and turned away from all his transgression which he had commited, he shall surely live, he shall not die" Ezekiel 18:19-26.
Fair enough. However tis is but one verse in the OT. If u see the things god did, he is not practising wat he preach and he harm innocent but protect the guilty who is his personal favourite person
genesis 17
Regarding Sarah, it is recorded in genesis that she died and Abrahim buried her in a cave. There is no mention of any heavenly rewards.
15 God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. 16 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."The people that G-d commanded Moses to exterminate are not saints. They practised child sacrifice. In the eyes of G-d this is a terrible iniquity.
Please show me where u get tis idea
I read in the genesis and I come across tis massacre ingenesis 34
13 Because their sister Dinah had been defiled, Jacob's sons replied deceitfully as they spoke to Shechem and his father Hamor. 14 They said to them, "We can't do such a thing; we can't give our sister to a man who is not circumcised. That would be a disgrace to us. 15 We will give our consent to you on one condition only: that you become like us by circumcising all your males. 16 Then we will give you our daughters and take your daughters for ourselves. We'll settle among you and become one people with you. 17 But if you will not agree to be circumcised, we'll take our sister [c] and go."
18 Their proposal seemed good to Hamor and his son Shechem. 19 The young man, who was the most honored of all his father's household, lost no time in doing what they said, because he was delighted with Jacob's daughter. 20 So Hamor and his son Shechem went to the gate of their city to speak to their fellow townsmen. 21 "These men are friendly toward us," they said. "Let them live in our land and trade in it; the land has plenty of room for them. We can marry their daughters and they can marry ours. 22 But the men will consent to live with us as one people only on the condition that our males be circumcised, as they themselves are. 23 Won't their livestock, their property and all their other animals become ours? So let us give our consent to them, and they will settle among us."
24 All the men who went out of the city gate agreed with Hamor and his son Shechem, and every male in the city was circumcised.
25 Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob's sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male. 26 They put Hamor and his son Shechem to the sword and took Dinah from Shechem's house and left. 27 The sons of Jacob came upon the dead bodies and looted the city where [d] their sister had been defiled. 28 They seized their flocks and herds and donkeys and everything else of theirs in the city and out in the fields. 29 They carried off all their wealth and all their women and children, taking as plunder everything in the houses.
Now tell me, wat does the others townmen did tat deserves their death as well as their children and women be slaves ?It is people that kill, robbed, raped, murder, suicide bombing etc. not G-d. If only all humankind practised the 7 laws of humanity given by G-d. Surely you will agree that the world will be redeemed and peace to the world.
Then wat about the laws given from god to moses ? why r those ignored ?
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You mean like how you misread my posts? Do not use speaking your mind as an excuse to shoot your mouth off.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:telling it like it is instead of hiding and twisting and subverting the truth!
You are not a bigot and you are non-Christian.That's why I said Christians are bigots. They are closed-minded and are not open to other views.
Irony to say the least.
I think you need to look back and examine your intentions. Your posts only continue to show the type of person you are. Posts like these continue to reflect your state of mind.
Somehow, I feel you just have a lot of anger inside. Please, be tolerant and not prejudicial!.
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"When you enter the land the LORD your G-d is giving you, do not learn the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifice his sons or daughter in the fire, who practice divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcrafts." Deuteronomy 18:9-10(NIV)
These are terrible iniquity in the eyes of G-d. Thus the command to destroy them.
Regarding the messacre in Genesis 34:13-29.
"Then Jacob said to Simon and Levi, You have brought trouble on me by making me a stench to the canaanite and perizzites, the people living in the land. We are few in numbers and if they join forces against me, I and my household will be destroyed. But they replied, Should he have treated our sister like a prostitute?." Genesis 34:30-31.
The actions of Simon and Levi were not sanctioned by G-d, or their father Jacob. They acted on ther own.
The laws given to moses mirror those given to Noah. The laws of Noah, are given to people who are not Isrealites. The law of moses would include all the laws given to Noah. However the law given to moses includes, temple worships, Aaronic pristhood, circumcision and shabbat etc. The Isrealite have a unique responsibity - the preservation and perpetuation of the Torah to the World.
You are right that "Do not be immoral" can covers everythings. However our G-d is meticulous, thus he gave Noah, the 7 laws (expended to 66) and 10 laws to Moses (expended to 613).
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These are terrible iniquity in the eyes of G-d. Thus the command to destroy them.
Ok, but sacrificing their sons and daughters is one thing, massacaring the whole town and taking all their riches is another. They really massacre the whole cities leaving no survivors, not even the babies. Furthermore god only show to certain group of people and u cannot blame the others from doing wat they think is right.Regarding the messacre in Genesis 34:13-29.
The god then let them escaped by stopping their pursuers isn't it ? and god did not punished them for doing such a dreadful deed as well. Isn't tat double standard as they r worse than people from sodom.
"Then Jacob said to Simon and Levi, You have brought trouble on me by making me a stench to the canaanite and perizzites, the people living in the land. We are few in numbers and if they join forces against me, I and my household will be destroyed. But they replied, Should he have treated our sister like a prostitute?."; Genesis 34:30-31.
The actions of Simon and Levi were not sanctioned by G-d, or their father Jacob. They acted on ther own.The laws given to moses mirror those given to Noah. The laws of Noah, are given to people who are not Isrealites. The law of moses would include all the laws given to Noah. However the law given to moses includes, temple worships, Aaronic pristhood, circumcision and shabbat etc. The Isrealite have a unique responsibity - the preservation and perpetuation of the Torah to the World.
first thing first, where do u get the info on noah's law ? Second, moses law include a lot of other details such as certain food tat cannot be ate and period = dirtiness. Why is there a double standard for the same people ? -
It is not true that G-d only show to certain group of people. G-d revelation has always been to the whole of humankind. Shem, the second son of Noah, was born in the year 1558 after creation. He died in year 2158.(Jewish calender) Abrahim was born in year 1948 died in year 2123. Issac was born in year 2048. You will notice that during the time of Abrahim and Issac, Shem was still living. According to rabbinic teachings, Abrahim chose to learn torah from Shem. During this time, humankind is divided into 2 groups. One group chose to obey G-d torah and the other group chose to disobey G-d torah. This is true even today. There are moral and immoral people.
Regarding the people of Sodom. Remenber how Abrahim pleaded for Sodom.
"May the LORD not be angry,but let me speak just once more. What if only ten (righteous people) can be found there? He answered, For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it." Genesis 18:32
"Then the LORD said, The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievious that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reach me. If not, I will know." Genesis 18:20-21.
So, are they, Simon and Levi, worse then Sodom. Well G-d will know. I don't think I have the answer.
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Where do u get the information on the laws of moses ?
It is not true that G-d only show to certain group of people. G-d revelation has always been to the whole of humankind. Shem, the second son of Noah, was born in the year 1558 after creation. He died in year 2158.(Jewish calender) Abrahim was born in year 1948 died in year 2123. Issac was born in year 2048. You will notice that during the time of Abrahim and Issac, Shem was still living. According to rabbinic teachings, Abrahim chose to learn torah from Shem. During this time, humankind is divided into 2 groups. One group chose to obey G-d torah and the other group chose to disobey G-d torah. This is true even today. There are moral and immoral people.
Rabbinic ? If it is not written black or white in it, I am afraid it seems to be man made. Tat is an important point but it is not written in the scriptures formally, why ? I feel it is an attempt to cover loopholes by adding or deleting or reinterpreting sections as time passes.Regarding the people of Sodom. Remenber how Abrahim pleaded for Sodom.
The last actions tat made god kill the whole city is simply because there r some people (not all people) who wanted to rape men. I agree tat gang raping men is a serious sin but masacaring whole cities, stealing their possessions and taking their wives as possessions is at a much higher magnitude of sin. Worse still these people want to follow god and they circumcised themselves. In fact, I can't come out with any worse possible sins than tat. But they survive and god help them escape with their possessions and wives.
"May the LORD not be angry,but let me speak just once more. What if only ten (righteous people) can be found there? He answered, For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it." Genesis 18:32
"Then the LORD said, The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievious that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reach me. If not, I will know." Genesis 18:20-21.
So, are they, Simon and Levi, worse then Sodom. Well G-d will know. I don't think I have the answer.
BTW why the double standard between the moses people and other people It is written tat god find women with period as dirty and come out with some remedies for it. Obviously women from other places with period should be dirty to god's eye too. Why they don't have to do anything ? -
There are misconceptions that G-d Laws and commandments were not given until the children of Isreal reach Mt Sinai in the year 2448. (Jewish calender)
"I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands, and by your descendantsall the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed me and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws." Genesis 26:4-5(NASB)
From the above, Abraham and Issac already the Laws of G-d, way before the time of Moses.
Lets consider the followings:
Noah born 1056 died 2006
Shem born 1558 died 2158
Abraham born 1948 died 2123
Issac born 2048 died 2228
Jacob born 2108 died 2255
Moses was 80 years old when the Law of Moses were given in 2448.
From the above, it is clear that Abraham had an unbroken chain of living ancestors from the Time of Noah. Since oral Torah (Oral History) was passed on from generations to generations, (it is only logical that) only those who disobey G-d, did not continue the traditions.
The First six laws (a.k.a Laws of Noah) were given to Adam before the Flood in year 1656. The 7th law was given to Noah after the Flood. Genesis 9:3-4.
The Laws G-d gave to Moses in Sinai in 2448 is unique to Isreal and Isreal only. Isreal is to be a Holy nations a royal priesthood to bring G-d Torah to the nations of the world, that has fallen away from G-d.
As a nation, chosen by G-d to be holy, a unique sets of laws were given to them. Laws like kosher food. We as gentile can eat everything that can be eaten, while Isrealite can only eat kosher food. We gentile don't brit milah, circumcision, but Isrealite must brit milah. The chief priest, under the Aaronic priesthood, can only marry a virgin. For the other Isrealites this is not a requirements. Isreal observe the shabbat, gentile don't. In fact all the religious laws can be found in Leviticus.
As for the case of of Simon and Levi. You asked the question as to why they are not punished by G-d for bloodshed. I don't have the answer, only G-d himself know.
".....And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him. Then the LORD said to Cain, Where is Abel your brother?. And he said, I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?........Cain said to the LORD, My punishment is too great to bear. Behold you have driven me from the face of the ground; and from your face I will be hidden,and I will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me. So the LORD said to him. Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengence will be taken on on sevenfold. And the LORD appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him" Genesis 4:9-16.
The above incident shows G-d's grace for Cain. Sometime we commit trangression that deserve severe punishments but, by the grace of G-d, we are not punished that severely, as in the case of Cain.
G-d Bless
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Wanted to rant about this, but I guess it is a bit out of my depth.Originally posted by Creation1656:Shem, the second son of Noah, was born in the year 1558 after creation. He died in year 2158.(Jewish calender) Abrahim was born in year 1948 died in year 2123. Issac was born in year 2048. You will notice that during the time of Abrahim and Issac, Shem was still living. According to rabbinic teachings, Abrahim chose to learn torah from Shem.
Basically the Old Testament records the meeting between Abraham and Shem. The inquisitive Christian may ask - huh, got meh?
Of course got.
Shem is none other than .. Melchizedek.
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5 because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
If u look at the above, it appears to me tat abraham simply obey god instructions, and not some rules fixed many years ago because there is none. I don't read it from the bible and I don't see why u say adam and noah received some laws. If u say there is such a thing as oral tradition, then why it isn't written ? Why they put something written while put the others as unwritten ? Isn't tat easy for people to add in wateverh they like in it ? Furthermore, if the oral traditional is not passed down, the decendents r still innocent because they do not know. They r punished because they do not know ?
Show me where u read the first 6 laws.
The First six laws (a.k.a Laws of Noah) were given to Adam before the Flood in year 1656. The 7th law was given to Noah after the Flood. Genesis 9:3-4.The Laws G-d gave to Moses in Sinai in 2448 is unique to Isreal and Isreal only. Isreal is to be a Holy nations a royal priesthood to bring G-d Torah to the nations of the world, that has fallen away from G-d.
In it, it specifically says god do not like women who has period and they r dirty. Now why does jews women become dirty while the gentile women become clean ? They also have to follow certain diet requirement and burial requirement because it is pleasing to the eyes of god. Then others can do anything they want without regard to god's feeling ? It sounds to me it is double standard
I thought jesus say tat all the laws r to be followed ? I also though jesus himself is a jew who follow all jewish laws. I also thought jesus as a mesiah is only true if u believe the torah first. It make no sense not to believe in torah then believe in a book based on it.As for the case of of Simon and Levi. You asked the question as to why they are not punished by G-d for bloodshed. I don't have the answer, only G-d himself know.
God is harsh to babies and women and ignorant people yet forgiving to people who killed brothers, massacre whole towns and snatch properties. Where r the grace for these innocent people ? It sounds more like wat a devil do than a kind person.
The above incident shows G-d's grace for Cain. Sometime we commit trangression that deserve severe punishments but, by the grace of G-d, we are not punished that severely, as in the case of Cain. -
What is new? Even if something is written in black and white, you can still say it is man made .. for example the New TestamentOriginally posted by stupidissmart:Rabbinic ? If it is not written black or white in it, I am afraid it seems to be man made. Tat is an important point but it is not written in the scriptures formally, why ? I feel it is an attempt to cover loopholes by adding or deleting or reinterpreting sections as time passes.
Rabbinical literature is very interesting. While the Torah itself is cryptic, it can be said the Talmud is even more cryptic. So you have a case of a 'cheam' explanation for a 'cheam' text. Furthermore a cursory reading of the Talmud will make you laugh - the rabbis are basically arguing with one another. You won't find this in other 'holy' texts.
This point needs emphasizing -> Jews maintain that the Written Torah is full of glitches and loopholes IF you read it without the accompanying Oral Tradition. But the Oral Tradition itself, on the surface, is nothing more than a group of rabbis arguing with each other. So where can the Truth be found?
PS: Talmud is the main body of rabbinical literature, commonly known as the Oral Tradition. -
It is mentioned in the Garden of Eden account in Genesis, albeit a bit cryptically.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Show me where u read the first 6 laws.
See if you can find them. -
Actually God did punish them, but not by using bolts of lightnings.Originally posted by Creation1656:As for the case of of Simon and Levi. You asked the question as to why they are not punished by G-d for bloodshed. I don't have the answer, only G-d himself know.
Let me give the readers a clue. Here is a [partial] list of the 12 tribes of Israel, arranged in order of seniority, i.e. older brother comes first:
1. Reuben
2. Simeon
3. Levi
4. Judah
Wah .. so coincidental hor .. two of our characters are in the list!
Here is another clue - has anyone stopped to think why the scepter will come out of Judah? I mean come on .. Judah is not even the firstborn.
