Some mega churches affect students adversely
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i edited some parts of my previous statements, by the way.Originally posted by gigabyte14:\
do you know what is spending more time with so called "church friends aka outside" than studying?
do you understand the minds of kids?
so? it applies the same with outside friends who are gangsters etc. why don't you be a "concerned citizen" and try to solve these problems too? i tell you, trying to find solutions for that problem is easier than finding solutions for this church problem. because we all know gangsters are bad influences. but the church is at best a good influence, and at worst, a grey influence. no church ever taught anyone bad stuff, goes with most religions. -
i'm angry because they don't understand, but they act as if they do.Originally posted by blahshit:wah.. u really dumb sia... they all tok so much already u still so dumb.. wonder wad's inside ur skull.. haha.. jus joking.. aiya.. i am just curious why u r so sensitive towards what giga is saying.. it's like i don't see flaws in both of ur conversation.. but ur attitude is really bad.. so.... dumb? lol..
they're not christians, they find it so easy to just say "ban the kids from coming to church", "employ bouncers, put notices to bar people from coming" etc..
but they don't see things from our point of view. that's why i'm angry.
hell, i'm a christian, albeit a weak one, but even i have the wisdom to know that its best to leave it to the church to settle their own problems the best way they see fit. instead of giving half-assed solutions which don't provide a win-win solutions. -
If you have a headache, pls cut off your head.
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exactly! that's the type of solutions these half-witted, ignoramus are suggesting!Originally posted by davidche:If you have a headache, pls cut off your head.
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Pls comment on my analogy
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actually, the way i look at it, its an internal as well as a societal problem
i see this as part of a larger problems with youth today
internally, there is a large number of Christians whom the mainstream churches might think to be misinterpreting the Bible, very church leader centric instead of god centric, take in so much money that the organisation looks more like a corporation than a church, so on and so forth
this is the internal problem Christians must resolve
the bigger picture wise, this is a cause of concern, coz it involves a large number of Singapore youth, like we all see, foresaking schoolwork, spend so much money and time away from home and all that, and for the topic sake, it involves the churches
in a multireligious and pragmatic society like Singapore, anyone will be concerned if this trend is growing among our youth today, so how can this topic not be opened to wider audience?
we keep forgetting any religious group, or that matter, any group in Singapore is not living in its own world, whatever it does affect the rest of Singapore, only difference in magnitude
the day we become very apathetic to real issues around us is a cause for concern too -
i have a question for you then.. how do you know they don't understand the problems? and do you think you do? even though they are not christians, this doesn't mean they don't know about your religion.. and some people who go to church, like one of my friends, jus go for fun without caring about religion.. so do you think it's the best choice for you to raise your voice at others without really understanding them in the 1st place? letting the church settling with the problems will be a good idea.. but there's another question again.. why is this news in the forums? the answer is for people to discuss and talk about it.. you too are here discussing.. you may not like how other people view and talk about things but that does not means they are wrong and it doesn't means you are right..Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i'm angry because they don't understand, but they act as if they do.
they're not christians, they find it so easy to say ban the kids from coming to church etc..
but they don't see things from our point of view. that's why i'm angry.
hell, i'm a christian, albeit a weak one, but even i have the wisdom to know that its best to leave it to the church to settle their own problems the best way they see fit. instead of giving half-assed solutions which don't provide a win-win solutions. -
from a bad student point of view. let me tell you this:
even if these kids don't go to church, the time spent in church is just going to go to computer games, shopping malls, movies and sgforums.
because i'm tutoring a kid who's just like that. bad at prioritizing his life, and bad at time management.
so bullshit to you, who thinks that banning them from church is the solution to this problem -
u will be surprisedOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:i edited some parts of my previous statements, by the way.
so? it applies the same with outside friends who are gangsters etc. why don't you be a "concerned citizen" and try to solve these problems too? i tell you, trying to find solutions for that problem is easier than finding solutions for this church problem. because we all know gangsters are bad influences. but the church is at best a good influence, and at worst, a grey influence. no church ever taught anyone bad stuff, goes with most religions.
i made that exact point to a christian here not long ago and got flamed for it
in short, you can say these stuff, but again, with regards to issue at hand, if christians do not make moves on these problems, cant blame outsiders for expressing their views -
since you're already agreeing with my suggestion that it's wiser to let the church settle their own problem, i'll boldly say that i'm right.Originally posted by blahshit:i have a question for you then.. how do you know they don't understand the problems? and do you think you do? even though they are not christians, this doesn't mean they don't know about your religion.. and some people who go to church, like one of my friends, jus go for fun without caring about religion.. so do you think it's the best choice for you to raise your voice at others without really understanding them in the 1st place? letting the church settling with the problems will be a good idea.. but there's another question again.. why is this news in the forums? the answer is for people to discuss and talk about it.. you too are here discussing.. you may not like how other people view and talk about things but that does not means they are wrong and it doesn't means you are right..
and its so obvious they don't know our circumstances to say things like "lets ban the kids from coming to church". ask any christian, they would know what i'm talking about. -
did i say banning them to the church is the solution?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:from a bad student point of view. let me tell you this:
even if these kids don't go to church, the time spent in church is just going to go to computer games, shopping malls, movies and sgforums.
because i'm tutoring a kid who's just like that. bad at prioritizing his life, and bad at time management.
so bullshit to you, who thinks that banning them from church is the solution to this problem
your're missing the point already
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dumbdumb, i think you are too agitated
are you really sure people are saying banning them from church?
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banning is definately not the solution.. the solution lies within the person himself.. it's his choice to comit himself to religion and live his life with god.. but remember he also have a choice to go computor games, shopping malls, movies and forums.. the thing is, he have to disipline himself to do work.. i have seen lots of examples of people who have no religion, have time to play games but still can excel in work .. so what's your point in computor games?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:from a bad student point of view. let me tell you this:
even if these kids don't go to church, the time spent in church is just going to go to computer games, shopping malls, movies and sgforums.
because i'm tutoring a kid who's just like that. bad at prioritizing his life, and bad at time management.
so bullshit to you, who thinks that banning them from church is the solution to this problem -
i'm sure the churches in question, when they hear wind of it, will do something about it la.Originally posted by laurence82:u will be surprised
i made that exact point to a christian here not long ago and got flamed for it
in short, you can say these stuff, but again, with regards to issue at hand, if christians do not make moves on these problems, cant blame outsiders for expressing their views
i'm not sure about my ex church though, they're abit of an arse.
but i heard that city harvest they have this rule, that if a kid is suffering academically, they will not allow that member to join in most event, just the minimal, like cell group and church service. and will even get people to give tuition etc to help bring up the grades.
i've to check on that.
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that's why i said. the church isn't the problem. the lack of time management is the problem. so why blame the church?Originally posted by blahshit:banning is definately not the solution.. the solution lies within the person himself.. it's his choice to comit himself to religion and live his life with god.. but remember he also have a choice to go computor games, shopping malls, movies and forums.. the thing is, he have to disipline himself to do work.. i have seen lots of examples of people who have no religion, have time to play games but still can excel in work .. so what's your point in computor games?
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Originally posted by laurence82:dumbdumb, i think you are too agitated
are you really sure people are saying banning them from church?
who made such posts?
tadaOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:that would be an excellent idea... under age cannot enter! Include also a warning sign at the doors of all religious establishments:
WARNING: Listening to the preaching might destroy your harmonious family life.
I started a thread before where I highlighted a preacher from New Zealand telling the gullible teens that they are prone to demon possession if their parents worship idols. That is like 90% of Asians!
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ya.. giga said that just now already.. the person is in the fault and this has nothing to do with the church.. as in the person enters the church but chooses to mix with the wrong gang and not care about his work.. it's just like normal life when people mixes with the wrong gang and turn bad.. i think u misunderstood him..Originally posted by dumbdumb!:that's why i said. the church isn't the problem. the lack of time management is the problem. so why blame the church?
don't tell it to me, tell it to them! -
I see a common viewpoint being reached here.
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i'd like to add that this kid is having o levels next month, and he's always busy with his worship practices, and church camp meetings etc.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:from a bad student point of view. let me tell you this:
even if these kids don't go to church, the time spent in church is just going to go to computer games, shopping malls, movies and sgforums.
because i'm tutoring a kid who's just like that. bad at prioritizing his life, and bad at time management.
so bullshit to you, who thinks that banning them from church is the solution to this problem
i was concerned and told him to tell the leader to release you because OBVIOUSLY O level was more important at this point of time. and he's not doing very well already and would need all the time he has to focus.
so is it the church's fault? no it is because the kid himself don't know what's important and how to manage his time. so would i be right to ban him from going to church? or would i be wiser to explain to him, and suggesting that he cut down to the minimum of church service and cell group? -
If people say, "ban all churches", that is cutting off the head when you have a headache.Originally posted by davidche:If you have a headache, pls cut off your head.
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Pls comment on my analogy
Restrict youths from attending unless they have parental consent is an appropriate solution. Just as you do not ban people from going to cinemas but you have a rating system so that the gullible youths are not influenced by what they see in the cinemas (or in this case, what they hear inside religious premises), is appropriate.
Parents have the final say because they are the guardians of the youths. They are responsible for the youths, and they are accountable, not the religious organizations. -
think about this.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:that's why i said. the church isn't the problem. the lack of time management is the problem. so why blame the church?
don't tell it to me, tell it to them!
boy makes friends with so called "people from church" just to make friends, forgetting the whole thing about the faith and stuffs.
they hang out, played, and forget about the studies.
and lousy results.
although the church has nothing to do with this, the people do.
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you are sure? how sure are you? i am reminded of someone, a Malaysian Muslim, who told me me he believes Muslims are less prone to committing sins when we were discussing some teenage issues, and I have to point out to him that humans being humans, being a follower to a religion does not automatically make one sinless or almost sinless, its takes great personal effort to do soOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:i'm sure the churches in question, when they hear wind of it, will do something about it la.
i'm not sure about my ex church though, they're abit of an arse.
but i heard that city harvest they have this rule, that if a kid is suffering academically, they will not allow that member to join in most event, just the minimal, like cell group and church service. and will even get people to give tuition etc to help bring up the grades.
i've to check on that.
i'm just angry that these people are just throwing stones at the wrong people for all the wrong reasons.
along the same line, why are you so sure the churches will make sure of it? even if there are such rules, how much effort have been made to enforce such rules, and are such rules effective, because what have been said are different from what people see in action
instead of ranting at people here, much help can be given by trying to bridge those gaps, that is a solution -
hahaha.. obviously the 2nd solution is a better choice.. provided the guy will listen la.. haha..Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i'd like to add that this kid is having o levels next month, and he's always busy with his worship practices, and church camp meetings etc.
i was concerned and told him to tell the leader to release you because OBVIOUSLY O level was more important at this point of time. and he's not doing very well already and would need all the time he has to focus.
so is it the church's fault? no it is because the kid himself don't know what's important and how to manage his time. so would i be right to ban him from going to church? or would i be wiser to explain to him, and suggesting that he cut down to the minimum of church service and cell group? -
there are people who have the mindset that "God is #1, studies is #2".Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i'd like to add that this kid is having o levels next month, and he's always busy with his worship practices, and church camp meetings etc.
i was concerned and told him to tell the leader to release you because OBVIOUSLY O level was more important at this point of time. and he's not doing very well already and would need all the time he has to focus.
so is it the church's fault? no it is because the kid himself don't know what's important and how to manage his time. so would i be right to ban him from going to church? or would i be wiser to explain to him, and suggesting that he cut down to the minimum of church service and cell group?
my classmate is like this. -
please dont add fuel to the fireOriginally posted by davidche:If you have a headache, pls cut off your head.
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and you think that by stopping the kids from attending church is the right thing to do?Originally posted by gigabyte14:think about this.
boy makes friends with so called "people from church" just to make friends, forgetting the whole thing about the faith and stuffs.
they hang out, played, and forget about the studies.
and lousy results.
although the church has nothing to do with this, the people do.
the real ones mixes with the fake ones, and goes haywire