What is free will?
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God gives us free will. He lets us choose to embrace him and go to heaven to live in eternal harmony. Or we don't and go to hell to suffer for eternity. Is this free will?
If you walk up to a man on the street and tell him, "If you call me god, I will give you all the riches in the world. But if you don't, I'll skin you alive and kill you with my bare hands". Are you giving this man free will? -
1. I think free will as in God wants us to love him on our own accord and not he "program" us to follow him. He wants u to go to heaven and live in eternal harmony like what u said. If u know this, why do u still want to go hell and suffer and eternity?Originally posted by zxc22099:God gives us free will. He lets us choose to embrace him and go to heaven to live in eternal harmony. Or we don't and go to hell to suffer for eternity. Is this free will?
If you walk up to a man on the street and tell him, "If you call me god, I will give you all the riches in the world. But if you don't, I'll skin you alive and kill you with my bare hands". Are you giving this man free will?
2. 2nd para I think not a very good illustration. U can always reject the man who is most likely a looney. -
just entertain you a bit:Originally posted by zxc22099:God gives us free will. He lets us choose to embrace him and go to heaven to live in eternal harmony. Or we don't and go to hell to suffer for eternity. Is this free will?
If you walk up to a man on the street and tell him, "If you call me god, I will give you all the riches in the world. But if you don't, I'll skin you alive and kill you with my bare hands". Are you giving this man free will?
free will from wiki: The problem of free will concerns whether rational agents imagine or really do exercise control over their own actions and decisions. Addressing this problem requires understanding the relation between freedom and causation, and determining whether or not the laws of nature are causally deterministic. The various philosophical positions taken differ on whether all events are determined or not—determinism versus indeterminism—and also on whether freedom can coexist with determinism or not—compatibilism versus incompatibilism. So, for instance, hard determinists argue that the universe is deterministic, and that this makes free will impossible.
The principle of free will has religious, ethical, and scientific implications. For example, in the religious realm, free will may imply that an omnipotent divinity does not assert its power over individual will and choices. In ethics, it may imply that individuals can be held morally accountable for their actions. In the scientific realm, it may imply that the actions of the body, including the brain and the mind, are not wholly determined by physical causality. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.
I am sure a person of your presuppose intellect is aware that you can wiki out an answer.... of course, right now you'd say that you want views of Christians... yet you are also aware that they are myriads of answers and opinions of this question. What follows will be an attempt to discredit the less-than-acceptable or less-than-perfect answers. So therein, what's the point! -
.... and by the way... have you called IMH yet? or are you the chicken sh1t we know you are?
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Nice to see a christian resorting to name calling. Were you like this before you became a christian, or after? By the way, is this the best you got?Originally posted by Chin Eng:.... and by the way... have you called IMH yet? or are you the chicken sh1t we know you are? -
what is this boi boi, TS, doing?
trying to seek attention?
great, nowadays kids are getting weirder and weirder
first we have a kid bashing a bus driver, now we have someone ask this sort of question....
jeez, i think the next generation is hopeless -
Originally posted by zxc22099:
TS has the wrong idea of God. Only three people will burn for eternity. The Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet. The rest of the normal people whose only mistake is that they reject God will have the punishment of not being able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. This is already a very great punishment and will cause them to weep and dispair with regret at their wrong decision. God does not have to punish them further by "torturing" them in hell. The throwing into the lake of fire mentioned in the bible is only to erase their misery as God is merciful and doesn't want them to suffer. In fact most of them will praise God's justice before jump into the fire by themselves.
God gives us free will. He lets us choose to embrace him and go to heaven to live in eternal harmony. Or we don't and go to hell to suffer for eternity. Is this free will?
If you walk up to a man on the street and tell him, "If you call me god, I will give you all the riches in the world. But if you don't, I'll skin you alive and kill you with my bare hands". Are you giving this man free will?
Of course there are a few class of criminals that will be tortured(although not for eternity), but you have to read the bible yourself to find out. -
But you are really one! To say otherwise would be lying. Do you expect Christians to lie?Originally posted by zxc22099:Nice to see a christian resorting to name calling. Were you like this before you became a christian, or after? By the way, is this the best you got?
You have no integrity. Even atheists have integrity. I think you are worse than them. -
more like insulting.Originally posted by zxc22099:Nice to see a christian resorting to name calling. -
Originally posted by allentyb:
what is this boi boi, TS, doing?
trying to seek attention?
great, nowadays kids are getting weirder and weirder
first we have a kid bashing a bus driver, now we have someone ask this sort of question....
jeez, i think the next generation is hopeless yea, i think so too. -
Originally posted by zxc22099:Nice to see a christian resorting to name calling. Were you like this before you became a christian, or after? By the way, is this the best you got? so you take potshots at Christians thinking we won't fight back?
DUH!
best that I've got, turd? I haven't even started. Just check with the folks here. -
whatever dave.... you've got a problem with that?Originally posted by davidche:more like insulting. -
Does free-will mean we can do things without consequences?
What a chaotic world that would be!