MM Lee talks about homosexuality
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hmm...i read somewhere he is in the inter-faith council....representing....????Originally posted by Icemoon:depends they practise ex-comm or not.
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so what! I can name a few methodist pastors that I totally disagree with.Originally posted by Icemoon:Mr Yap was once the big boss of your denomination leh.
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I'm approaching it from a Jewish perspective. They do not believe in the fall of man from grace.Originally posted by laoda99:U going to talk abt the fall of man from grace again aren't u
Remember Christianity has a dualistic worldview? Something is either good or bad. The classical example is Satan who is all evil and has no goodness in him. My belief is that this dualistic perspective has many shortcomings.
Back to topic.
Maybe I should post this challenge to pro-homosexuality xtians - if homosexuality is ok (all in the name of genuine, natural love) .. where do you draw the line? So is incest ok? You mean incest cannot be genuine, natural love ah? -
you got read properly or not?Originally posted by Chin Eng:so what! I can name a few methodist pastors that I totally disagree with.
He was a bishop leh.
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can any methodist confirm rev dr yap is still with the methodists?Originally posted by Icemoon:depends they practise ex-comm or not. -
becoz of warped theology?Originally posted by Chin Eng:so what! I can name a few methodist pastors that I totally disagree with. -
I think hor....incest is a tabooo not just in christianity but in many cultures also....Originally posted by Icemoon:So is incest ok? You mean incest cannot be genuine, natural love ah?
Like the Chinese......I read in some books that old rules made supposely during the "legendary" Xia Dynasty ancestors forbid pple to marry within the same family liao..... -
taboo big fark? If they can bring out the genetic and genuine love argument to support homosexuality, I can use it to support incest too.Originally posted by laoda99:I think hor....incest is a tabooo not just in christianity but in many cultures also....
Like the Chinese......I read in some books that old rules made supposely during the "legendary" Xia Dynasty ancestors forbid pple to marry within the same family liao.....
I dun care what old rules .. but chinese do not shy away from the legend of the Fu Xi and Nu Wa - they were siblings. -
This is not what I am reading in your quotation of the interviewOriginally posted by laoda99:Hmm....I think what Rev Yap means is....the bible is the product of man having their own personal experiences with God which can be different from time to time...
I wonder besides ex-methodist bishop Yap, any one trained in theology in Singapore has this view or not....
At this juncture it is safe to note that Rev Yap has stated very clearly that, in his view, the Bible WAS NOT TRANSMITTED BY GOD IN A WRITTEN FORM and that the writers of the different books INTERPRET THEIR EXPERIENCES AS INDIVIDUALS. This totally discounted the "inspiration of the Holy Spirit". Once removing the divine influence, the Bible no longer is the Word of God, it is merely, at best, a historical account. That being the case, it will be totally unnecessary to debate any Bibilical doctrine, seeing that, in reality there is none.Originally posted by laoda99:Rev Yap: We must first of all try to comprehend how the Bible itself came into existence. Even though we glibly claim that the Bible is the Word of God, we must readily admit that it was not transmitted by God to us in a written form and certainly not in English or any language we know, not even Hebrew or Greek. The writers of the different books of the Bible interpret their experiences as individuals or community with God in their lives. Other interpretations exist but did not get the approval of the Jewish and Christian leaders who compiled the books of the Bible.
Once this stand is taken... the Bible loses all authority, because there is no longer any authority.
If the interpretation and teaching is going to continue to change, then there is no need even to talk about marriage, acceptance of Christ as a personal Saviour, or even the works of the Holy Spirit in our lives.
Each faithful follower has to make his or own interpretation and which may or may not reflect that of the religious institutions. The teachings of the institutions themselves change according to the changing times. Homosexuality is one issue which is in the process of change and hopefully, the time will come also for more religious leaders to be gay-affirming.
In all honesty, in all my years in the Methodist church, I have never even heard of Rev Yap. His name is never mentioned at all. Previous bishops and leaders have been invited from time to time to my church, never once was Rev Yap invited. -
again so what! all bishops were firstly pastors... his position doesn't mean a thing to me.Originally posted by Icemoon:you got read properly or not?
He was a bishop leh. -
Maybe he was bishop of another diocese?Originally posted by Chin Eng:In all honesty, in all my years in the Methodist church, I have never even heard of Rev Yap. His name is never mentioned at all. Previous bishops and leaders have been invited from time to time to my church, never once was Rev Yap invited.
Maybe he was expelled from the sect. -
Yup! Some were sacked, some were just allowed to fade away...Originally posted by laoda99:becoz of warped theology? -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:again so what! all bishops were firstly pastors... his position doesn't mean a thing to me.
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we are not organised under such structure. Rev Yap was the first Asian bishop. From the official website, he is still in the Methodist organisation. Nonetheless, I maintain that he was never invited to speak in my church.Originally posted by Icemoon:Maybe he was bishop of another diocese?
Maybe he was expelled from the sect. -
Fu Xi and Nu Wa different.....they are mythical gods.......body of snakes and heads of human.....Originally posted by Icemoon:taboo big fark? If they can bring out the genetic and genuine love argument to support homosexuality, I can use it to support incest too.
I dun care what old rules .. but chinese do not shy away from the legend of the Fu Xi and Nu Wa - they were siblings.
Try that in real life, and u get really stupid kids (if they can be born alive with no deformities in the 1st place). -
I am trying to compare with homosexuality.Originally posted by laoda99:Fu Xi and Nu Wa different.....they are mythical gods.......body of snakes and heads of human.....
Try that in real life, and u get really stupid kids (if they can be born alive with no deformities in the 1st place).
If you realize, gays can't have biological children too. -
Ah ha....but the gay community has expressed they value family too....can adopt....and are useful citizens of society......Originally posted by Icemoon:I am trying to compare with homosexuality.
If you realize, gays can't have biological children too. -
Incestuous couple even better .. they can give maternal and paternal love. The mum can even chest feed the child.Originally posted by laoda99:Ah ha....but the gay community has expressed they value family too....can adopt....and are useful citizens of society...... -
thought they are supposed to?Originally posted by Icemoon:The mum can even chest feed the child. -
Hmmm.....it is breast feed.......provided the child can be born normal.......Originally posted by Icemoon:Incestuous couple even better .. they can give maternal and paternal love. The mum can even chest feed the child. -
I know the word will get censored mah .. hahaOriginally posted by laoda99:Hmmm.....it is breast feed.......provided the child can be born normal.......
You can adopt the child .. just like gays or lesbians. -
can every female produce milk in sufficient amount?Originally posted by davidche:thought they are supposed to? -
i wonder what would the children think, of their parents, when they grow up..Originally posted by laoda99:Ah ha....but the gay community has expressed they value family too....can adopt....and are useful citizens of society...... -
icic...Originally posted by Icemoon:can every female produce milk in sufficient amount? 
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Gays will tell u theirs is a normal family just like yours.Originally posted by davidche:i wonder what would the children think, of their parents, when they grow up..