Autocratic
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Wow, thanks for running an autocratic christian forum, Chin Eng. Seems like anything that resembles a debate gets closed down in a second. And you never seem to lose any debate, because you immediately close the topic upon replying. Hmm, I don't see any flaming going on here and I don't understand why it's closed: http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=240718&page=2
Maybe your definition of flaming is a little different? Maybe your definition of flaming is when a person has a different opinion? Much like a dictatorship, eh?
Now, is it just me or is it when you can't win an argument, you have to close a topic? -
you are whose clone??
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he already say its Ah_Lau already lor ... still ask ...Originally posted by Icemoon:you are whose clone?? 
but hor... unker these few days very hard working,... good good, keep this place tidy and neat ... -
hello ah_lau2,
I can't speak for CE, I do not think I can. But let me say something about EH's threads.
If you have read EH's threads, discussion about evolution, creation according to the Bible has been discussed endlessly. Just do a search and you can find a lot of opinions on it. And there is no end to it.
If you are upset that you didn't have a chance to respond, please look at the timestamps. I don't think it was closed because of you or your remarks.
Since the thread is going out of topic AND additionally going back to questions on evolution and creation AND that SIS has come back to talk about his point of view (which we have read MANY times), it makes no sense to let the thread to become a broken recorder. I think CE did the right thing to close the thread.
Again, I think you may disagree with the way things are run here. But that's how it is. We are not here to win arguments. -
can choose other nick or not har?
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Let God handle this....
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Since the thread is going out of topic AND additionally going back to questions on evolution and creation AND that SIS has come back to talk about his point of view (which we have read MANY times), it makes no sense to let the thread to become a broken recorder.
If u look at tis religious forum and others, u will realise tat in here there is a surprisingly great amount of threads being locked for the slightest of reason. I do a rough count and approximately 20% of the threads r locked just because the moderator do not like them. For the other forums, the only reason why a thread is lock is simply because they r afraid it will span more than 99 pages and cause a problem to the forum. Some of the examples r buddhist (0 locked) light of atlantis (0 locked) deeper truth (0 locked).
I think it is sad to see tat the moderators have become the ultimate judges on deciding whether is a discussion is good to his eyes or not. If the thread is silly, it will die off itself and there is no need for locking. If the discussion ends up in flame war, it should only be locked when it actually happened. We should know tat power of moderator acts like censorship and can be abused. At wat stage then is it consider as being abused ?
About me and my points on evolution and ID, I think it should be noted tat I did not start these arguments in the first place. It is always some guys who start to give a total biased view of their stand. When I reply to it, they fantastically get chopped off abruptly. Why does the "moderation" always started after I reply and not when someone making a stupid stand, I don't know. U mean the same stupid misconception stand of some people here doesn't sound repeatative ? If u don't fell like reading, don't read. It doesn't means just because u do not like to read it then it has to be censored off.
Anyway I am busy and do not want to post heavily as before. However if there is some threads tat r misrepresented I have to write something to it. One issue which I am particular about is mis representation of science and logic. -
1. This is your personal opinion and you are entitled to it.Originally posted by ah_lau2:Wow, thanks for running an autocratic christian forum, Chin Eng. Seems like anything that resembles a debate gets closed down in a second. And you never seem to lose any debate, because you immediately close the topic upon replying. Hmm, I don't see any flaming going on here and I don't understand why it's closed: http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=240718&page=2
Maybe your definition of flaming is a little different? Maybe your definition of flaming is when a person has a different opinion? Much like a dictatorship, eh?
Now, is it just me or is it when you can't win an argument, you have to close a topic?
2. I did not close the other thread because of you.
3. I closed the other thread because it was going on a well-worn path of arguments and counter arguments which cannot be won by either parties.
4. I did not want EH to go nuke, like some of the other forums.
5. My policy is always agree to disagree. Go ahead and discussed anything but if something turns potentially inflammatory, make no mistake: I WILL CLOSE IT DOWN. My topics get closed down in other forums either... I accept that it's the prerogative for mods to do so.
6. If I am autocratic, I'd close down the Benny Hinn thread because I do not agree to his kind of theology, but it remains open.
7. I am not here to please you, regardless of whose clone you are. Not happy, get lost.
8. I am responsible for the peace of this forum. There are many other members here, and none of them had complained about my so-called autocratic style at all. I think my accountability to them is higher than my accountability to a clone.
9. I did not close do SIS all the time. SIS is famous for his confrontational stand on evolution and science, which he is entitled to. Any contributions that he make will inevitably go only one way, sometimes not necessarily his fault, but because the things he states and the way he says it can infuriate other readers.
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Fact is, lock threads are much less than the numbers given if you look at the other pages. Fact too, the many threads are locked because of personal attacks.Originally posted by stupidissmart:If u look at tis religious forum and others, u will realise tat in here there is a surprisingly great amount of threads being locked for the slightest of reason. I do a rough count and approximately 20% of the threads r locked just because the moderator do not like them. For the other forums, the only reason why a thread is lock is simply because they r afraid it will span more than 99 pages and cause a problem to the forum. Some of the examples r buddhist (0 locked) light of atlantis (0 locked) deeper truth (0 locked).
Fact too that in Deeper truth, there are locked threads, but note that in DT there is probably only ONE main TS, and he controls the entire trend of discussion, and those who knows better will not even want continue the discussion there.
But I don't think you are interested in facts, but more towards being unhappy with me...
Also fact too, I did not lock ALL the threads in EH, sillyme had a hand in there too.
You conclude what you conclude because of what you feel about EH, nothing more nothing less.
Silly threads do not die off... as a matter of fact silly threads flourish.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I think it is sad to see tat the moderators have become the ultimate judges on deciding whether is a discussion is good to his eyes or not. If the thread is silly, it will die off itself and there is no need for locking. If the discussion ends up in flame war, it should only be locked when it actually happened. We should know tat power of moderator acts like censorship and can be abused. At wat stage then is it consider as being abused ?
You need to be objective, if I want to censor, I can edit, which I only do so to add the URL functions, or I can delete the ENTIRE TOPIC, which I have only done on MY OWN thread.
But again, you write what you write because you've always been bias on EH.
SIS, as far as you are concern, the entire Christian doctrine is "misrepresented ".... you also need to note that you'd posted in other threads too, but they were not locked.Originally posted by stupidissmart:About me and my points on evolution and ID, I think it should be noted tat I did not start these arguments in the first place. It is always some guys who start to give a total biased view of their stand. When I reply to it, they fantastically get chopped off abruptly. Why does the "moderation" always started after I reply and not when someone making a stupid stand, I don't know. U mean the same stupid misconception stand of some people here doesn't sound repeatative ? If u don't fell like reading, don't read. It doesn't means just because u do not like to read it then it has to be censored off.
Anyway I am busy and do not want to post heavily as before. However if there is some threads tat r misrepresented I have to write something to it. One issue which I am particular about is mis representation of science and logic.
I don't see you go the other religious forums to talk about how they misrepresent.
I have my personal charter and had briefly discussed it with sillyme when I accepted my position. You or anyone else do not need to agree with it. -
Closed thread on page 1 of EH from the bottom:
Topic: Christian like to fly airplane:
Reason for closure: Pointless thread. Erroneous stereotyping of people.
By: Chin Eng
Topic: Should Threads Be Closed Due to OOT in Discussion:
Reason for closure: One bo liao individual who had a bone to pick on CE, a "war" from another forum. It was not because CE is afraid to be criticised, but I don't see the need of having a war from outside invading EH.
By: Chin Eng
Topic: I want to go back to God
Reason for closure: SIS rhetorics again as well as degradation to a flaming war.
By: Chin Eng
Topic: allentyb
Reason for closure: Personal criticism on another forumer.
By: Chin Eng
Topic: Proof that Evolution is False
Reason for closure: thread deemed to be mockery.
By: Sillyme
Topic: No to Using Roman Catholic
Reason for closure: Offensive opening thread
By Chin Eng
Topic: God really bless Pastor Kong
Reason for closure: Pointless bo liao thread with little or no good intent. I could have left this thread open because I don't like CHC or Kong Hee, but I chose to close it because it is deragotory to another person, whether I like him or not is immaterial. I would close a thread that insults SIS too.
By: Chin Eng
Topic: Why do you believe in God
Reason for closure: A well-worn path of unwinnable arguments and counter arguments.
By: Chin Eng
ah lau clone... which of the above threads were closed because I cannot win an argument? -
Being a defender of science and logic, your statistical claims are not accurate.Originally posted by stupidissmart:If u look at tis religious forum and others, u will realise tat in here there is a surprisingly great amount of threads being locked for the slightest of reason. I do a rough count and approximately 20% of the threads r locked just because the moderator do not like them. For the other forums, the only reason why a thread is lock is simply because they r afraid it will span more than 99 pages and cause a problem to the forum. Some of the examples r buddhist (0 locked) light of atlantis (0 locked) deeper truth (0 locked). -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
not clone, its spoof
[b]ah lau clone... which of the above threads were closed because I cannot win an argument?[/b]
got technical difference
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to be fair.. buddhists threads oso kana ma. edited.
i remember i posted a peekture of gulapa or something before den kana edited. to gib an example. -
ah lau nowadays so nottyOriginally posted by laurence82:not clone, its spoof
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not me larOriginally posted by Ito_^:ah lau nowadays so notty
i go complain to fifi once she wake up -
So much has changed since i last logged in and post...now there is so much hoo-haa going on siah...tsk tsk tsk.
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If I am not wrong, tis thread is gonna be closed down soon. Any counter points made r not entertained and only one side get to speak more often and have the last words
My policy is always agree to disagree. Go ahead and discussed anything but if something turns potentially inflammatory, make no mistake: I WILL CLOSE IT DOWN. My topics get closed down in other forums either... I accept that it's the prerogative for mods to do so
Why not close it down only when it had turn inflammatory ? The thread can very well turn to good and everyone is happy with the outcome. No one knows. Can u predict the future ?Fact is, lock threads are much less than the numbers given if you look at the other pages. Fact too, the many threads are locked because of personal attacks.
I go to the other pages of their forums and fact is, EH has much more closed threads comapred with them. Wat is their percentage like ? 1 thread for 2 pages ? Wat about EH ? for the first 2 pages u can proably see about 20. I don't know why my statistical claim is not accurate here.
Fact too that in Deeper truth, there are locked threads, but note that in DT there is probably only ONE main TS, and he controls the entire trend of discussion, and those who knows better will not even want continue the discussion there.Also fact too, I did not lock ALL the threads in EH, sillyme had a hand in there too.
True, from your next reply he lock 1 u lock 7. And it is never about u only but the mod as a whole.
And I think the thread lock by sillyme on page 1 is strange since he do not consider the current progress of the thread and only at the beginning of the thread. Is the TS the only guy tat cares for the thread ? The other contributors r irrelevant ?Silly threads do not die off... as a matter of fact silly threads flourish.
If it flourish, and do not slide into flaming war, then it has some merits of its own. Some chat threads like chill lounge r utterly silly and flourish IMO too. The point is different people view "silly thread" differently.You need to be objective, if I want to censor, I can edit, which I only do so to add the URL functions, or I can delete the ENTIRE TOPIC, which I have only done on MY OWN thread.
Just because u can hit your children doesn't mean u can hit anybody u like Wat has the above got to do with anything ?SIS, as far as you are concern, the entire Christian doctrine is "misrepresented ".... you also need to note that you'd posted in other threads too, but they were not locked.
There r many people in tis world and they all have different stand. The idea of a forum is to explore these alternative differences. Is it because of my views and "misrepresentation" then I get to be locked more easily ? If u ask me, the reason why other threads r not lock because it had drifted in the direction u like it to drift. I think the few threads tat is not locked has something to do with charismatic churches.I have my personal charter and had briefly discussed it with sillyme when I accepted my position. You or anyone else do not need to agree with it.
Sure. But isn't tat already autocratic ? -
Yah bcos its "adult" content... must consider young forummers who may not be mature enoughOriginally posted by Ito_^:to be fair.. buddhists threads oso kana ma. edited.
i remember i posted a peekture of gulapa or something before den kana edited. to gib an example.
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Adult content?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yah bcos its adult content... must consider young forummers who may not be mature enough
No need to see forum ,straightaway ban liao lor -
Originally posted by laurence82:Adult content?
No need to see forum ,straightaway ban liao lor -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:If I am not wrong, tis thread is gonna be closed down soon. Any counter points made r not entertained and only one side get to speak more often and have the last words
Sure. But isn't tat already autocratic ? Actually, the moment I took on the role of a mod, I have already factored this in. What surprised me is why had it taken so long.
..... but you see, if I can give, I can also take. Go ahead and criticise me, it doesn't really matter. You are ONE person, and as I had said, I have more responsibility than being accountable to you, as long as the regular folks think I am doing a reasonable job, that is more important to me than making you happy.
..... and if I had wanted to shut it down, I would have done so the moment I replied you and the spoof (point taken, Lau.) why would I leave it open knowing that you'd reply?
If anything else, this thread will boost the rating, and by the way, I have also factored in that the rating will drop when I took up the mod role.
The issue with you is NOT a different stance, many threads come with with different stance, even within Christianity, you don't see them closed.
The issue with you is, as sillyme, said, a broken record. You keep repeating the same points and as always will result into a flame war.
Don't get me wrong, it's not YOU, per se, but the potential problems that you might bring.
Go ahead, whine about me... if it gets you off. I promise not to close this thread.
Whether I am doing a good job or not, I'd allow the other members to judge. I am sure they'd be the first to complain if I s-crew up. -
point taken.... it did feel strange using "clone" on lau 2 but at the moment I could not think of a better word.Originally posted by laurence82:not clone, its spoof
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I predict the future the same way, a person betting on a soccer team.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Why not close it down only when it had turn inflammatory ? The thread can very well turn to good and everyone is happy with the outcome. No one knows. Can u predict the future ? or in corporate terminology, risk assessment and risk management.
Go and flame the other forums like you do in EH and see if the statistics changes. Anyway AEN has already stated that there are closed threads in Buddhism. So your numbers are not too accurately. You will, of course, state that there is a better reason there than here.... moderator's prerogative. Don't owe you any explanation.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I go to the other pages of their forums and fact is, EH has much more closed threads comapred with them. Wat is their percentage like ? 1 thread for 2 pages ? Wat about EH ? for the first 2 pages u can proably see about 20. I don't know why my statistical claim is not accurate here.
Again moderator's prerogative.... no one ask you to come here. Take it or leave it.... but you can't take it and you can't leave it, your own problem.Originally posted by stupidissmart:And I think the thread lock by sillyme on page 1 is strange since he do not consider the current progress of the thread and only at the beginning of the thread. Is the TS the only guy tat cares for the thread ? The other contributors r irrelevant ?
I didn't not use the term "silly thread", you did.Originally posted by stupidissmart:If it flourish, and do not slide into flaming war, then it has some merits of its own. Some chat threads like chill lounge r utterly silly and flourish IMO too. The point is different people view "silly thread" differently.
Exactly, which is why I stated while I have the power to edit, I only do so when it's pertaining to making a post clearer or more convenient. I also said that while I have the power to delete an entire thread, I have only done so on my own threads.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Just because u can hit your children doesn't mean u can hit anybody u like Wat has the above got to do with anything ?
I actually don't quite understand your statement.
No, some threads are going against my personal doctrinal belief, I have neither close it nor condemn the content. The Benny Hinn thread? It is not going to the way I wanted, I do not want anyone attending this rally, but I have never said so. So please refrain from reading me and what I do.Originally posted by stupidissmart:There r many people in tis world and they all have different stand. The idea of a forum is to explore these alternative differences. Is it because of my views and "misrepresentation" then I get to be locked more easily ? If u ask me, the reason why other threads r not lock because it had drifted in the direction u like it to drift. I think the few threads tat is not locked has something to do with charismatic churches.
Again, it's not about different stand, it's also not about your views per se.... history has proven time and again, protracted discussion with you on any topic will result with you saying things like "tat's stupid" or "tat's sillyl". The end result will be that the person that you are addressing to will be offended by your tone and will be very very put off....
Isn't it true that your modus operandi is famous.... and the name SIS is synonymous with "relentless confrontation "?
Petition for a removal of mod, if you wish. I won't stop you, because whining about it here isn't going to change a thing as I really cannot take your concerns seriously. -
u want this to be like the other forum ahOriginally posted by Chin Eng:Petition for a removal of mod, if you wish. I won't stop you, because whining about it here isn't going to change a thing as I really cannot take your concerns seriously.
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Originally posted by ben1xy:u want this to be like the other forum ah cannot say anything else 'cos I'd be deemed to be "autocratic"?
no lah, it will not be like the other forum lah. I am not so controversial....and I don't date the other forumers.