Who is going for?
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G12 international Asia conference...
I am going .....
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I'm NOT going.
Because you will be going. LOL.
Kidding.
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Hmm....maybe should pay a visit to old FCBC tomorrow.
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It new premise at expo hall 10....Originally posted by M©+square:Hmm....maybe should pay a visit to old FCBC tomorrow. -
Quinsy is a christian? :
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This year going to rise up to be a cell leader.... 100,000 memeber goal...
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Who going to rise up as CGL? You?Originally posted by soulwinner:This year going to rise up to be a cell leader.... 100,000 memeber goal... -
Originally posted by M©+square:Who going to rise up as CGL? You?
actually I'd found the claim quite funny.... CGL for 100,000 member cell group. -
My leader...Originally posted by M©+square:Who going to rise up as CGL? You? -
No it is the church goal to have 100,000 memeber by ester 2008...Originally posted by Chin Eng: actually I'd found the claim quite funny.... CGL for 100,000 member cell group. -
Pls also share which church are you from....
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I have meet someone who has a 10,000 members in his cell group..
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The whole sentence didn't make sense at all!Originally posted by Chin Eng: actually I'd found the claim quite funny.... CGL for 100,000 member cell group.
Unker you're good. You tried to make sense out of it! -
FCBC seemed to have stuck at sub 15k members(correct me if i'm wrong)Originally posted by soulwinner:No it is the church goal to have 100,000 memeber by ester 2008...
100,000 target have been the Ah Khong's mandate all these while since 1990s. -
....then it is probably because you do not communicate clearly....Originally posted by soulwinner:No it is the church goal to have 100,000 memeber by ester 2008... Originally posted by soulwinner:This year going to rise up to be a cell leader.... 100,000 memeber goal...Originally posted by soulwinner:Pls also share which church are you from.... not yours.....
In itself, a 10,000 member cell group, is known historically by another name - the church. Rationale: A cell is a small portion of the larger entity, hence a cell consists of small number, many cells form the Body of Christ.Originally posted by soulwinner:I have meet someone who has a 10,000 members in his cell group..
Also in itself, such a claim is merely a play with words. Call the church a cell group also can, but the reality is, the Cell Group concept is not designed to run with anything more than 10 or 12 people. Beyond that number, it ceases to be effective. As a matter of fact, cells are suppose
to split when it hits 12.
Therefore it is impossible to have a 10,000 member cell group. It is, however, possible to have a 10,000 cell group church. Let's be careful with the terminology.
So IMO, the claim that one has 10,000 member is at best an egotistical claim and at worst an outright lie. -
haha... I try my best.... sometimes folks here just write incoherent statements.Originally posted by M©+square:The whole sentence didn't make sense at all!
Unker you're good. You tried to make sense out of it!
I have heard too many "visions" from too many churches - stuff like: this year is the year of blah blah blah.... with a bunch of immeasurable targets.
What I like to see: Official and responsible figures on how many Christians are there in Singapore. -
unker ... you very right in your explaination on cell group ...Originally posted by Chin Eng:In itself, a 10,000 member cell group, is known historically by another name - the church. Rationale: A cell is a small portion of the larger entity, hence a cell consists of small number, many cells form the Body of Christ.
Also in itself, such a claim is merely a play with words. Call the church a cell group also can, but the reality is, the Cell Group concept is not designed to run with anything more than 10 or 12 people. Beyond that number, it ceases to be effective. As a matter of fact, cells are suppose
to split when it hits 12.
Therefore it is impossible to have a 10,000 member cell group. It is, however, possible to have a 10,000 cell group church. Let's be careful with the terminology.
So IMO, the claim that one has 10,000 member is at best an egotistical claim and at worst an outright lie.
but hoh ... the split@12 is based on regular attendance, most cell not like this, so when its said to have 10-12 regular members (it could have 20-30members on paper, most only appear once in a blue moon type), and the 12 is just an estimated figure, not fix one.
cell groups, normally meet either at a member home or a room in the church, hence among other names given are house churches, home cells, care groups ...etc, so its not physically to have a 10,000 members cell. furthermore cell groups are started to foster close relationship among the members for mutual support and fellowship which a large church is lacking in, hence to have a large group really defeat this purpose. -
I agree, 12 is an arbitrary figure. But if one is to refer to the handbook of CGs by Lawrence Khong and Ralph Neighbours, the theory is that the cell must not be too numerically large. By and large, I don't believe there are cell groups with membership (even blue moon type) of more than 15.Originally posted by vince69:unker ... you very right in your explaination on cell group ...
but hoh ... the split@12 is based on regular attendance, most cell not like this, so when its said to have 10-12 regular members (it could have 20-30members on paper, most only appear once in a blue moon type).
...Originally posted by vince69:cell groups, normally meet either at a member home or a room in the church, hence among other names given are house churches, home cells, care groups ...etc, so its not physically to have a 10,000 members cell. furthermore cell groups are started to foster close relationship among the members for mutual support and fellowship which a large church is lacking in, hence to have a large group really defeat this purpose. correct lor! that's why I say any one who claim to be a leader of 10,000 strong member cell group is hao siao one lah, because such a claim basically discredit the purpose of the formation of cell group.
so, I really don't know that there is such claim from such a person, or maybe the TS is one of those who only listen and not question, or TS hear wrongly. -
Hmm ... interesting, given the G12 movement is more towards long term mentor/discipleship type of relationship, which differ from how a cell group behaved which is grow & split, I am suprised that its still being refered to as a cell group/cell leader, I would have thought Mentor/Disciple will be more appropriate.Originally posted by soulwinner:This year going to rise up to be a cell leader.... 100,000 memeber goal...
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Cell group - grow to a certain number, split up into two or more smaller group which grow and split, the initial group now effectively no longer exist, but had split into smaller groups ...
G12 - 1 leader mentor up to 12 disciples training them to grow up in maturity, these 12 disciple then go out and each mentor their own disciple ..... and so on, but the initial group of 12 remains, just that the disciples now had in turn mentor their own, they still remain as mentored by their mentor. -
Originally posted by soulwinner:This year going to rise up to be a cell leader.... 100,000 memeber goal...Originally posted by M©+square:Who going to rise up as CGL? You?
... ok, seems that decision has already been made. no need to worry about it anymore.Originally posted by soulwinner:My leader... -
ok, later tonight, I go home and see if I can find that handbook... haha ...Originally posted by Chin Eng:I agree, 12 is an arbitrary figure. But if one is to refer to the handbook of CGs by Lawrence Khong and Ralph Neighbours, the theory is that the cell must not be too numerically large. By and large, I don't believe there are cell groups with membership (even blue moon type) of more than 15.
back in the late 80s, we have cells more than 30 (all NS boys) on paper, attendance average less than 10 and all not regular (can only attend when there is book out) including cell leader... haha...
yes, its true, on paper, no cell group should grow beyond 15 and its effectiveness deminished. also, imagine 15 adults + children squeezed into the living room of a HDB flat ... -
heard this from my sister.... her cell group is basically a Bible study for MEN, the women are in the bedroom looking after bawling and brawling kids.Originally posted by vince69:yes, its true, on paper, no cell group should grow beyond 15 and its effectiveness deminished. also, imagine 15 adults + children squeezed into the living room of a HDB flat ...
I've stopped joining any CG because I really don't see the purpose at all.
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CG does have it purpose in the ministry of the church, especially so when it comes to a more closer support group level Reason being, in a church setting locally here, most people would just come, attend service, go home. With CG setting, its easier to foster a more personalised and closer relationship, people in CG tends to know each other better, and more able to share and support each other (being in a ministry helps too, but not all church members are in ministries)...Originally posted by Chin Eng:heard this from my sister.... her cell group is basically a Bible study for MEN, the women are in the bedroom looking after bawling and brawling kids.
I've stopped joining any CG because I really don't see the purpose at all. -
Yeap, in my church in s'pore we recently started a CG for young adults which my gf attends. And looking at how things are going, it is evident that the ties and freindship and support are strengthening.Originally posted by vince69:CG does have it purpose in the ministry of the church, especially so when it comes to a more closer support group level Reason being, in a church setting locally here, most people would just come, attend service, go home. With CG setting, its easier to foster a more personalised and closer relationship, people in CG tends to know each other better, and more able to share and support each other (being in a ministry helps too, but not all church members are in ministries)...
Personally, 2 of my closest buddies in Aussie are from my CG too