There is no Salvation outside the Catholic Church.
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Thats incorrect. None of the Apostles besides james belonged to that church.Originally posted by vince69:The Jerusalem Church very powerful one you know, all the Apostles (including Paul) are members of this church and also many believers who are witness of Christ when He walks on Earth, and its run by a council seated almost entirely by Apostles of Christ.
The Council does not run the juerasalem church but rather the universal church. The Apostles chose to gather there not because of its improtance but ebcause it was the nearest location.
Which See is older, Antioch or Juerasalem? -
Jerusalem.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Which See is older, Antioch or Juerasalem? -
But isnt Antioch the place where Paul and baranbas preached thier first sermon and where the term Christians was first used?Originally posted by Icemoon:Jerusalem. -
At where did the Pentecost happen?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:But isnt Antioch the place where Paul and baranbas preached thier first sermon and where the term Christians was first used?
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If u mean grp of Christians than yes.Originally posted by Icemoon:At where did the Pentecost happen?
Duh.
Naturally, the CC was borned in 33AD but i do disagree that the church in juerasalem was the most powerful etc. -
I concur with you on thisOriginally posted by Icemoon:Jerusalem.
Christ insitiuted the Scarement of Communion in Jerusalem
Christ's scarifice, death and resurrection also in Jerusalem
After Christ's Ascension, all the disciples (including Apostles) were told to wait in Jerusalem.
Pentacostal (First record of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit empowerment) also in Jerusalem
First preaching enmass recorded (not by Jesus) is in Jerusalem
....etc
with these, it can be said, the New Covenant was cut between Christ and God in Jerusalem, and all the Apostles received their Holy Spirit empowerment in Jerusalem....
....btw .... Evene Paul also so called 'reported' to the Church in Jerusalem when he was accepted into the fellowship of the believers by James, Peter, John (the pillars) in Jerusalem. -
Are u saying that the See of Juerasalem shoudl be the most powerful one?Originally posted by vince69:I concur with you on this
Christ insitiuted the Scarement of Communion in Jerusalem
Christ's scarifice, death and resurrection also in Jerusalem
After Christ's Ascension, all the disciples (including Apostles) were told to wait in Jerusalem.
Pentacostal (First record of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit empowerment) also in Jerusalem
First preaching enmass recorded (not by Jesus) is in Jerusalem
....etc
with these, it can be said, the New Covenant was cut between Christ and God in Jerusalem, and all the Apostles received their Holy Spirit empowerment in Jerusalem....
....btw .... Evene Paul also so called 'reported' to the Church in Jerusalem when he was accepted into the fellowship of the believers by James, Peter, John (the pillars) in Jerusalem. -
The Apostolic Fathers and church leaders later are gentiles .. you think they care a damn about Jerusalem?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Are u saying that the See of Juerasalem shoudl be the most powerful one?
Of course Rome most powerful lah. -
There is no such text to claim ur statement.....even if it exist...it must be created by farcically pious fools thousands years ago to "physco" themselves ,thinking they will get salvation.....TS...stop making such senseless statement!
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This was taught by Apostolic fathers and is a dogma of the CC. If u actually know what it means, it says that the CC alone possese the means of salvation. Those who do not know this truth, can still be saved.Originally posted by Hamiltonian1125:There is no such text to claim ur statement.....even if it exist...it must be created by farcically pious fools thousands years ago to "physco" themselves ,thinking they will get salvation.....TS...stop making such senseless statement! -
And you forget to say, quite a few of these are anti-Semitic.Originally posted by Icemoon:The Apostolic Fathers and church leaders later are gentiles .. you think they care a damn about Jerusalem?
Of course Rome most powerful lah. -
And why Rome of all places? Considering the Latin Christianity is Hellenistic in thinking, why isnt Antioch the powetr place?Originally posted by Icemoon:The Apostolic Fathers and church leaders later are gentiles .. you think they care a damn about Jerusalem?
Of course Rome most powerful lah.
Simple...places matter little. Rome is so powerful is merely because Peter and his successors are there...no other reasons. If Peter and his successors had chosen Tanah Merah to be his See, See of TM will be the power spot. Rome is the power spot because its Peter spot.
Wherever Peter is, there is the Church - Ambrose.
Isnt it true that Juerasalem was destroyed in 70AD....so even its city-status would be in question by the 1st century? -
You live in Tanah Merah issit?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:If Peter and his successors had chosen Tanah Merah to be his See, See of TM will be the power spot. Rome is the power spot because its Peter spot. -
I thought Peter was in Antioch before?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:And why Rome of all places? Considering the Latin Christianity is Hellenistic in thinking, why isnt Antioch the powetr place?
Opps .. I think Antioch was the most powerful See then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_of_AntiochIt was in the city of Antioch (modern day Antakya in southeast Turkey) that Christians were first so called (Acts 11:26). Traditionally, Saint Peter established the church in Antioch, and was the city's first bishop. Ignatius of Antioch (martyred c.107) was also bishop of the city, and a prominent apostolic father. By the 4th century, the bishop of Antioch had become the most senior bishop in a region covering modern-day eastern Turkey, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Iran. His hierarchy served the largest number of Christians in the known world at that time. In consideration of this and its ancient origins, the Patriarchs of Antioch were considered the most senior of the various Patriarchs of Christendom, which included those of the Patriarch of Jerusalem, the Patriarch of Constantinople, the Patriarch of Alexandria, and the Patriarch of Rome.
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No la....i live in Simei haha....another Apostolic See (GRC in the CC) hahaOriginally posted by Icemoon:You live in Tanah Merah issit? -
Actually the reason why Rome was most powerful was because PAUL WAS THERE!
Look .. Peter was in Antioch also .. so your argument fails liao.
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Icey ... Rome is not powerful because of Paul.Originally posted by Icemoon:Actually the reason why Rome was most powerful was because PAUL WAS THERE!
Look .. Peter was in Antioch also .. so your argument fails liao.
Antioch is the control variable .. think of your science experiment.
Hint: Think again from both historical and human political side
Oh... there are some susgestion that 1 Peter was written with the help of Silas and that it was written in a place refered to as Babylon (1Peter 5:12-13)
*can't remember how this Babylon became to refer to Rome, I can't remember ..
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Yes Peter was in Rome at that verse.Originally posted by vince69:Icey ... Rome is not powerful because of Paul.
Hint: Think again from both historical and human political side
Oh... there are some susgestion that 1 Peter was written with the help of Silas and that it was written in a place refered to as Babylon (1Peter 5:12-13)
*can't remember how this Babylon became to refer to Rome, I can't remember ..
Babylon is a codename for Rome at that time.A second angel followed, saying: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, that made all the nations drink the wine of her licentious passion." Rev 14:8
This show that "Babylon" meant Rome. Rome was the "great city" of the New Testament period. Because Rome during this age was considered the center of the world, the Lord wanted His Church to be established in Rome.
The great city 9 was split into three parts, and the gentile cities fell. But God remembered great Babylon, giving it the cup filled with the wine of his fury and wrath. Rev 16:19
On her forehead was written a name, which is a mystery, "Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth." Rev 17:5
Chap 18
He cried out in a mighty voice: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great. She has become a haunt for demons. She is a cage for every unclean spirit, a cage for every unclean bird, (a cage for every unclean) and disgusting (beast).
They will keep their distance for fear of the torment inflicted on her, and they will say: "Alas, alas, great city, Babylon, mighty city. In one hour your judgment has come
A mighty angel picked up a stone like a huge millstone and threw it into the sea and said: "With such force will Babylon the great city be thrown down, and will never be found again
But Vince, the reason why Rome was powerful was solely because Peter and his successors ruled there. For example, after the 4th century, Constantipole became so powerful that it was included in the Patriach system but even then it could not displace Rome as she had Peter.