Romans qn
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1Do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to men who know the law—that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.
4.So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we were controlled by the sinful nature,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
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I dont understand this passage. if only the sentances were in SVO form. Can any kind souls please help me 'translate'? (Or is there any stuffs out there that can help me?)
..eg..''the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies''
so the law is the main problem? -
dave .. why don't you read the chinese bible?
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haha good idea. never thought of that.Originally posted by Icemoon:dave .. why don't you read the chinese bible? -
*diao*Originally posted by davidche:haha good idea. never thought of that.
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fristly, diao in chinese means the male sexual organ.Originally posted by Icemoon:*diao*
Then jay Chou changes the meaning to being cool.
Now, it becomes a undescribable expression....
diaoz... -
We are married to Christ cos we are Christ's bride and we have died to the old covenant and married to the new. We are free from the old covenant cos we died with Christ. Yes, law is the main problem cos we can't keep all the law.Originally posted by davidche:1Do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to men who know the law—that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.
4.So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we were controlled by the sinful nature,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
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I dont understand this passage. if only the sentances were in SVO form. Can any kind souls please help me 'translate'? (Or is there any stuffs out there that can help me?)
..eg..''the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies''
so the law is the main problem? -
AND BY SPARTAN LAW.........
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I see thank you everyone and the website.!
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the law is not the problem, it is perfect, we are the problem...Originally posted by The Elder:We are married to Christ cos we are Christ's bride and we have died to the old covenant and married to the new. We are free from the old covenant cos we died with Christ. Yes, law is the main problem cos we can't keep all the law. -
ur rite, we're the problem, we'll nv b able to keep the law by ourselves, thats y we need Christ.Originally posted by breytonhartge:the law is not the problem, it is perfect, we are the problem...
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brey is side-stepping the issue.Originally posted by breytonhartge:the law is not the problem, it is perfect, we are the problem...
it is quite clear the apostle Paul has negative impression of the law. -
I think paul is trying to use this concept of the law to tell us justification by faith?Originally posted by Icemoon:brey is side-stepping the issue.
it is quite clear the apostle Paul has negative impression of the law. -
how am I side stepping the issue?Originally posted by Icemoon:brey is side-stepping the issue.
it is quite clear the apostle Paul has negative impression of the law.
Shaul did not have a negative impression of the law, on the contrary, Shaul said that the law was Holy, and the commandment just and good... Rom 7:12
Shaul said that the law is good... Rom 7:16 -
At the end of the day .. if something does not break, why change it? If Windows XP is working just and good, why introduce so many patches and later introduce Vista?Originally posted by breytonhartge:how am I side stepping the issue?
Shaul did not have a negative impression of the law, on the contrary, Shaul said that the law was Holy, and the commandment just and good... Rom 7:12
Shaul said that the law is good... Rom 7:16
It is clear there is something deficient in the system of God's law and commandments.
Read the context of Rom 7:12 from NIV:11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
Read my emphasis in red which is hiliarious! Shaul like suaning the law liddat. Do you agree when people suan you, they will say you are very good and then they will end with .. yea right!
And the context of Rom 7:16 from NIV:14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.
Read the condition clause! Read the fine print!
The law is good ONLY WHEN you do what is right in Shaul's worldview. In his worldview, we are slaves to sin so we find it very hard to do what is right and we keep on doing what is hateful to us, i.e. live in a life of sin. -
yes. his agenda is to bring across justification by faith.Originally posted by davidche:I think paul is trying to use this concept of the law to tell us justification by faith?
he has a problem though - how to harmonize law and christ? Both are on the surface contradicting to each other.
as a result the law is compromised. note that christ is never compromised because the law shows why you need christ!
look at the whole thing from both perspective. b needs a to 'elevate' itself but the presence of b shows the deficiency of a!
see how jian4 the christian argument is? And people like Brey will tell you both are good. the law is good. christ is good. but they are missing the whole point!
when people like Brey say the law is good, always ask for the fine print! -
Actually Icy, the LAW is ALWAYS GOOD.Originally posted by Icemoon:Read the condition clause! Read the fine print!
The law is good ONLY WHEN you do what is right in Shaul's worldview. In his worldview, we are slaves to sin so we find it very hard to do what is right and we keep on doing what is hateful to us, i.e. live in a life of sin.
Yeshua never contradicted the LAW, He just showed us how to fulfill it. He showed us how to walk in the LAW of Hashem. -
yea right .. the LAW is ALWAYS GOOD.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Actually Icy, the LAW is ALWAYS GOOD.
Yeshua never contradicted the LAW, He just showed us how to fulfill it. He showed us how to walk in the LAW of Hashem.
So just follow law!
Do you realize you have not refuted my objections? -
And here is my question - before Yeshua, who showed the Israelites how to walk in the LAW of Hashem?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Yeshua never contradicted the LAW, He just showed us how to fulfill it. He showed us how to walk in the LAW of Hashem. -
Hashem Himself...Originally posted by Icemoon:And here is my question - before Yeshua, who showed the Israelites how to walk in the LAW of Hashem? -
Loss for an answer right?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Hashem Himself...
No way you can explain why the law was given for 1300 years then Yeshua came. -
Right from the beginning of time, Hashem was with Adam, it is recorded in the Holy Scriptures that Adam had close fellowship with Hashem, no doubt Hashem would have spoken to Adam about how things were and the Commandments... going on from there, we see that Noah knew about clean and unclean animals, a sign that Noah knew the Law... and so it goes... there are many examples of the people of Hashem knowing the Law of Hashem...Originally posted by Icemoon:Loss for an answer right?
No way you can explain why the law was given for 1300 years then Yeshua came. -
you are drifting away.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Right from the beginning of time, Hashem was with Adam, it is recorded in the Holy Scriptures that Adam had close fellowship with Hashem, no doubt Hashem would have spoken to Adam about how things were and the Commandments... going on from there, we see that Noah knew about clean and unclean animals, a sign that Noah knew the Law... and so it goes... there are many examples of the people of Hashem knowing the Law of Hashem...
I'm sure the prophets know the Law of Hashem too. Just look at Daniel. By the way, Daniel followed some commandments not found in the Torah. The Jews say this is proof of their Oral Tradition.
Actually they say Jesus also followed some commandments not mentioned in the Torah .. -
The Law was given for 1300 years... as you say for the childern of Hashem to know how to live...Originally posted by Icemoon:Loss for an answer right?
No way you can explain why the law was given for 1300 years then Yeshua came. -
i totally lost what you are trying to say.Originally posted by breytonhartge:The Law was given for 1300 years... as you say for the childern of Hashem to know how to live...