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Why did God put you in this world in the first place?Originally posted by Devils_advocate:I was hoping for the rapture to come so that I can say bye bye to this world. I don't want to die but thots of death and suicide do come. But praying still...
So you can wait for rapture?
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Can i ask you back a question? Why did God put the Africans into this world in the first place? So that they can die of hunger or AIDS? What is their purpose of living? Same for all the poor and helpless people around the world.Originally posted by Icemoon:Why did God put you in this world in the first place?
So you can wait for rapture?
Have you achieved what God expects you to achieve in this lifetime?
So the rich and powerful have meaning to live and have accomplished something in their lives and the poor and down and out have accomplished nothing?
How about those who die prematurely or in their youths? Why did God put them in this world in the first place? So they can live a short life and break the hearts of those who give birth to them?
How about those who are born handicapped or retarded? So they can never achieve their goals that God has planned for them or are they alive for a purpose? -
read my siggy.Originally posted by Devils_advocate:Can i ask you back a question? Why did God put the Africans into this world in the first place? So that they can die of hunger or AIDS? What is their purpose of living? Same for all the poor and helpless people around the world.
So the rich and powerful have meaning to live and have accomplished something in their lives and the poor and down and out have accomplished nothing?
How about those who die prematurely or in their youths? Why did God put them in this world in the first place? So they can live a short life and break the hearts of those who give birth to them?
How about those who are born handicapped or retarded? So they can never achieve their goals that God has planned for them or are they alive for a purpose?
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here is something to share with youOriginally posted by Devils_advocate:I am abandoned by everybody bcos I abandoned them and God first. Nobody to talk to. Just God in heaven and Jesus and His Holy Spirit. Nobody can understand anyway. Tried many times for over so many years. I think it's sometimes better that I am alone but very lonely and painful. Been going to church but always by myself. Lately joined my bro in another church but got friction. God has given me a very great trial and temptation. I wish it needn't have to be like this. I was hoping for the rapture to come so that I can say bye bye to this world. I don't want to die but thots of death and suicide do come. But praying still...
I had been through a time where I wanted to just 'curse God and die', a time where I had lost almost everything I hold dear and had given up all hope.
2 Timothy 2 : 8 - 13
8Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel, 9for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God's word is not chained. 10Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.
11Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13if we are faithless,
he will remain faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
I still remember those dark hours in my life, yes, even during those dark hours in my life, when I had abandon all hope and faith, God had not abandon me. To be honest, if its not for those few bros that came to encourage me, I may not be alive today.
Thats why I am saying this to you, don't give up hope, but this is easier to say than do, you need someone you can trust to confide to, that this person can encourage you on.
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Couldn't quite reconcile what has rapture got to do with your personal trials.
Pretty much A Macro view v.s Personal experience. -
Hi bro,Originally posted by Devils_advocate:But no matter how I wash or clean still not clean. That's why I always realise how dirty i am. That's why wretched. That's why I highly esteem the blood of Jesus. But am I worthy? Am I presuming on His grace? Am I abusing the blood?
Only God can judge our hearts but that's the frightening part don't you think? Nothing is hidden from Him! Sometimes we can hide on the outside but inside cannot hide. But it cut both ways. Sometimes we think right but we do wrong.
If you would to reflect carefully what you typed above....
"I wash...." - no bro, its not you - Its God.
My point to you is to release yourself to God, pray to Him to ask of Him to give you a pure heart. Try that with all of your heart, sense His presence, cry out to Him, take some time to just sit by Him and listen.
Then, perhaps you would like to share with me the difference as compared to you yourself "trying". -
For a long time, God hasn't spoken to me or at least He has spoken but it's so confusing to me. What He spoke was diff from what I felt or thought or was He speaking? I keep praying for certain problems but they werent solved for decades and now suffering the consequences in loneliness. God has abandoned me that's why I thot i must have sinned greatly.Originally posted by klydeer:Hi bro,
If you would to reflect carefully what you typed above....
"I wash...." - no bro, its not you - Its God.
My point to you is to release yourself to God, pray to Him to ask of Him to give you a pure heart. Try that with all of your heart, sense His presence, cry out to Him, take some time to just sit by Him and listen.
Then, perhaps you would like to share with me the difference as compared to you yourself "trying".
Ok i will try. But you don't know i have tried. -
Any more answerers for who will be raptured etc as per question? How come so little pre-tribbers? All post-tribbers ar? I see many are based on the faith plus works theology. That we have to go thru tribulation when it's God's wrath and not a refinement process. The blood of Jesus already cleanses us. What more is needed other than repentance and worship of God etc? God will keep faithful Christians from the tribulation but what is the qualification? Vince said by grace and I agree but will any be left behind?
I open now this discussion to people from all rapture scenarios even no rapture. Pls contribute but others no offensive or frivolous remarks pls. Thank you. -
God will know you have tried.Originally posted by Devils_advocate:For a long time, God hasn't spoken to me or at least He has spoken but it's so confusing to me. What He spoke was diff from what I felt or thought or was He speaking? I keep praying for certain problems but they werent solved for decades and now suffering the consequences in loneliness. God has abandoned me that's why I thot i must have sinned greatly.
Ok i will try. But you don't know i have tried. -
God knew you had tried, do also understand that sometime, God's answer may not come as we expected it to be, nor will His solution be what we want it to be. The only sure thing we know is that He have our best interest at heart.Originally posted by Devils_advocate:For a long time, God hasn't spoken to me or at least He has spoken but it's so confusing to me. What He spoke was diff from what I felt or thought or was He speaking? I keep praying for certain problems but they werent solved for decades and now suffering the consequences in loneliness. God has abandoned me that's why I thot i must have sinned greatly.
Ok i will try. But you don't know i have tried.