Is your Pastor a TT Durai?
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I would say probably as much as a school principle in Singapore.Originally posted by sillyme:May I ask the same question to Gazelle in return?
What do you think is reasonable pay for pastors? -
lol .. you are more generous than killer boss.Originally posted by Gazelle:I would say probably as much as a school principle in Singapore.
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I meant the highest ranking senior pastor. You cant have many principle in a school right?Originally posted by Icemoon:lol .. you are more generous than killer boss. -
do you know how much is a school principle paid?Originally posted by Gazelle:I meant the highest ranking senior pastor. You cant have many principle in a school right?
(we are talking about a superscale civil servant here especially for those serving in better schools ones). -
Last i saw, a principal in a school would earn $10k per month. Have they raised the salary?
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You'd be glad to know that most senior pastors are not even paid the superscale grade that school principals get.Originally posted by Gazelle:I would say probably as much as a school principle in Singapore. -
There is a subtle difference between a charitable organisation and a religious organisation - public funds and private funds.Originally posted by Gazelle:(1) The reason why we have TT Durai in NKF is mainly because people believe that point (2) exist.
(2) Just like any charity organisation, we donate based on our personal will to help the needy not to fund the organisation board of directors.
My question is, who is to decide how much is too much and how much is being reasonable? "reasonable" or "too much" I believe is relative and depend who you speaks to. If the board of directors are multi-millionaire or their tai-tais, I am sure a $15K salary will be considered as "token" or "peanuts". Supposed if the church committee are make up of people from middle income group, a $15K salary will be consider as "generous".
So back to my question, who is there to decide? are the followers aware of how their contribution is being spent?
I believe I have mentioned this before: salary scale is usually pegged to a similar sector in the secular world. While I don't claim to have any knowledge on how it works (human resource is not my forte), my wife is involved somewhat in the salary structure of the church admin staff. Within the Methodist church, the pay scale of the pastors are governed by the Methodist Church in Singapore which has it's own board of governors to run the affairs.... you can also rest assured that they are not staffed by millionaires.
... having said all that... what's that to you? -
I think this figure is quote conservative.Originally posted by laurence82:Last i saw, a principal in a school would earn $10k per month. Have they raised the salary? -
depending on seniority, some more, some less ...Originally posted by laurence82:Last i saw, a principal in a school would earn $10k per month. Have they raised the salary?
1996 announcement,
Graduate Principles in Primary and Secondary schools will be raised to Superscale H ($143,000). In addition, outstanding principals can be promoted beyond Superscale H, up to Superscale E ($188,000).
*this is annual salary.
sourced from:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/press/1996/st00196.htm -
like i said earlier, I expect the MOST senior pastor's pay to be similar to a school principle.Originally posted by Chin Eng:You'd be glad to know that most senior pastors are not even paid the superscale grade that school principals get. -
The thread title should be is your pastor a Father Kang?
Anyway, the church shldnt enforce tithes if it has too much money. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
"scale is usually pegged to a similar sector in the secular world"
There is a subtle difference between a charitable organisation and a religious organisation - public funds and private funds.
I believe I have mentioned this before: salary scale is usually pegged to a similar sector in the secular world. While I don't claim to have any knowledge on how it works (human resource is not my forte), my wife is involved somewhat in the salary structure of the church admin staff. Within the Methodist church, the pay scale of the pastors are governed by the Methodist Church in Singapore which has it's own board of governors to run the affairs.... you can also rest assured that they are not staffed by millionaires.
... having said all that... [b]what's that to you?[/b]
Just like what our minister says that their salary is peg to the private sector isnt it? But at least they didnt deny that they are there for the $$. but I cant comment if it is the same in the church.
I am pretty sure that the NKF admin staff are being squeezed like a sugar cane, but yet among the board of directors, they are spending like a billionaire and taking some 6 figures bonus etc.
what we are more interested to know is who audit these so-call board of governors that you mentioned. Or it is a secret which followers are not supposed to ask?
Dont worry, I am not against any religion, just asking a question about how rich churches spend their money. -
Salary is never a good place to start asking question - anywhere in the world. I don't believe that it is impossible for any follower to ask relevant question... having said that, I think we all trust our board of governors... until the next whistle blower.Originally posted by Gazelle:what we are more interested to know is who audit these so-call board of governors that you mentioned. Or it is a secret which followers are not supposed to ask?
I am not worried, I am not in the payroll of any religious organisation.Originally posted by Gazelle:Dont worry, I am not against any religion, just asking a question about how rich churches spend their money.
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my pastor relative told me the methodists and possibly anglicans clergy wages are pegged somewhat to the education ministry guide...he also told me one 'independent' church senior pastor of a mega church here gets more than $60k ... per month....!!
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holy cow!!Originally posted by countdracula:my pastor relative told me the methodists and possibly anglicans clergy wages are pegged somewhat to the education ministry guide...he also told me one 'independent' church senior pastor of a mega church here gets more than $60k ... per month....!! -
This is possible.Originally posted by countdracula:my pastor relative told me the methodists and possibly anglicans clergy wages are pegged somewhat to the education ministry guide...he also told me one 'independent' church senior pastor of a mega church here gets more than $60k ... per month....!!
However we need to differentiate such cases against charitable organisations. Charitable organisations obtain their funding from external sources.
Religious organisations obtain their funding through contribution of their members. As long as their members do not question, then anyone outside has no say over how the senior pastors are paid. This statement is not to say that I agree with such an arrangement, I merely point out that if, within this family, no one opposes such an arrangement, then no one else outside this family can do or say anything about it.
I wish to reiterate that such an example is really not very common. -
Since when have deers become so involved religiously? Ready to be the sacrificial ''deer''?
But on a more serious note, I would rather my pastor be TT Durai than Gazelle...
At least Durai takes actions, Gazelle only talk and no action... -
bigmouth, do you want to talk to God about your relationship will a married women with kids?Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Since when have deers become so involved religiously? Ready to be the sacrificial ''deer''?
But on a more serious note, I would rather my pastor be TT Durai than Gazelle...
At least Durai takes actions, Gazelle only talk and no action... -
Please do not bring personal disputes into the thread or forum.
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I agreeOriginally posted by sillyme:Please do not bring personal disputes into the thread or forum. -
Haha since when you so holy?Originally posted by Gazelle:I agree -
ironically, tithing is the supposed act of christian charity.....Originally posted by Chin Eng:This is possible.
However we need to differentiate such cases against charitable organisations. Charitable organisations obtain their funding from external sources.
Religious organisations obtain their funding through contribution of their members. As long as their members do not question, then anyone outside has no say over how the senior pastors are paid. This statement is not to say that I agree with such an arrangement, I merely point out that if, within this family, no one opposes such an arrangement, then no one else outside this family can do or say anything about it.
I wish to reiterate that such an example is really not very common. -
nope. tithing was never an act of charity.Originally posted by countdracula:ironically, tithing is the supposed act of christian charity.....
It is charity in Judaism but not Christianity.
In Christianity it is more for upkeep of the church. The surplus can go to "charity".
Note we have to distinguish offerings from tithing. Offerings are more like charity because the offering can be unrelated to your church. You give according to your own free will, no one will know how much you give or whether you give or not. -
i think that's just splitting hairs....to give as you say is up to one's own free will, and that free will is charity.....Originally posted by Icemoon:nope. tithing was never an act of charity.
It is charity in Judaism but not Christianity.
In Christianity it is more for upkeep of the church. The surplus can go to "charity".
Note we have to distinguish offerings from tithing. Offerings are more like charity because the offering can be unrelated to your church. You give according to your own free will, no one will know how much you give or whether you give or not. -
how is it splitting hairs?Originally posted by countdracula:i think that's just splitting hairs....to give as you say is up to one's own free will, and that free will is charity.....