How To Know If Something Is Satanic/Evil
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Jesus had dealt with bigger audience before .. remember the fishes and loaves?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:But Jesus said it his Apostles and disciples and is hence recorded in Scripture.
Even God lent His voice during the baptism of Christ.
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So do you really expect Christ to shout in the Hills, i give all my authority to my Church....Originally posted by Icemoon:Jesus had dealt with bigger audience before .. remember the fishes and loaves?
Even God lent His voice during the baptism of Christ.
Please. Try harder.
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Well .. God could have lent His voice like during the baptism. He didn't.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:So do you really expect Christ to shout in the Hills, i give all my authority to my Church....
So lets reject all NT unless Christ said it in public???
Christ could have appointed Peter in front of the multitudes. He didn't.
Similarly Mary could have said she was a consecrated virgin. She didn't.
Try harder.
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No, I don't expect Christ need to shout at all.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:So do you really expect Christ to shout in the Hills, i give all my authority to my Church....
So lets reject all NT unless Christ said it in public???
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OOT liao looooooh!!!!!
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Well God could have lent his voice when Christ was tempted by Satan. He didnt. The Father gave authority to the Son who gave authority to the Apostles (As my Father send Me, I send you)Originally posted by Icemoon:Well .. God could have lent His voice like during the baptism. He didn't.
Christ could have appointed Peter in front of the multitudes. He didn't.
Similarly Mary could have said she was a consecrated virgin. She didn't.
Try harder.
Christ appointed Peter in front of his Apostles.
Similiarly, mary could ahve said she had many children. She didnt.
Christ appointed Paul in private (on the streets) so by your logic, we shall reject Pauline writings and theologies.
Icemoon, are you proclaiming, we should reject Scriptures unless there is an episode where God manifest his presence to the Masses??? -
In the first place, Christians cannot agree on whether Peter is appointed to be the Pope.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Well God could have lent his voice when Christ was tempted by Satan. He didnt. The Father gave authority to the Son who gave authority to the Apostles (As my Father send Me, I send you)
Christ appointed Peter in front of his Apostles.
Similiarly, mary could ahve said she had many children. She didnt.
Christ appointed Paul in private (on the streets) so by your logic, we shall reject Pauline writings and theologies.
Icemoon, are you proclaiming, we should reject Scriptures unless there is an episode where God manifest his presence to the Masses???
Need I say more?
Actually how did Paul prove his credibility to Peter ah? -
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another new topic? Role of Peter & Paul?
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One view of The Miracle Of Elisha's Bones by Wayne BlankOriginally posted by Pope Nicholas:But evil will always tempt you and if we are not strong, we will fall. Even Christ was tempted. Why make evil stronger by using items of theirs...There has been cases of possesions on Christians.
If the bones of elisha can bring a dead man to life, imagine the power of satanic objects and greater still, those of Christ.
"Now when Elisha had fallen sick with the illness of which he was to die, Joash king of Israel went down to him, and wept before him ... So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet." (2 Kings 13:14,20-21 RSV)
Elijah and Elisha
Elijah, and Elisha who succeeded him when Elijah was taken away in a "chariot of fire" (in illustration - see Where Did Elijah Go?) were two of the most powerful Prophets of God in Bible History. They did everything from calling down fire from heaven (1 Kings 18:37-3
to raising the dead (2 Kings 4:18-37), but as true prophets of God, their great power was of, and from, God. As even Jesus Christ said of Himself (John 5:19,30), Elijah and Elisha could do nothing of themselves, or for themselves. As the opening paragraph makes plain, when Elisha's natural time to die came, he suffered and died just like any other human - even though during his lifetime the Holy Spirit healed the sick and raised the dead through him. It was the Holy Spirit of God that made it possible.
Elijah was an ordinary human being, who knew hunger (1 Kings 19:6), weariness (1 Kings 19:5), and fear (1 Kings 19:2-3), just like any other. After being threatened by the wicked Jezebel, he "went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree; and he asked that he might die, saying, "It is enough; now, O Lord, take away my life; for I am no better than my fathers" (1 Kings 19:4 RSV). Neither was Elisha, or any other human before or since.
The Holy Spirit Remained
In the miracle of Elisha's bones (unlike the widespread fraudulent religious industry of "miraculous relics of saints" that has been operating for centuries, right to the present day), for however long it lasted (there is only one recorded miracle from Elisha's bones), a measure of the Holy Spirit actually remained for some time (at least a number of months, since all that was left was his bones) with Elisha's body - the only way that the miracle of reviving that dead man (back to physical life from which he would again have died later - see "Resurrections" in the Fact Finder question below) could have happened.
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/20020731.htm
...to me, this is no different from Balaam's donkey, a one time occurence.
I do not believe for a moment, that anything that belonged to any prophets, or apostles or Jesus Christ survived the ages. Therefore, to me, no such items exist. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
The Cross on which Christ was crucified do....
One view of [b]The Miracle Of Elisha's Bones by Wayne Blank
"Now when Elisha had fallen sick with the illness of which he was to die, Joash king of Israel went down to him, and wept before him ... So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet." (2 Kings 13:14,20-21 RSV)
Elijah and Elisha
Elijah, and Elisha who succeeded him when Elijah was taken away in a "chariot of fire" (in illustration - see Where Did Elijah Go?) were two of the most powerful Prophets of God in Bible History. They did everything from calling down fire from heaven (1 Kings 18:37-3 to raising the dead (2 Kings 4:18-37), but as true prophets of God, their great power was of, and from, God. As even Jesus Christ said of Himself (John 5:19,30), Elijah and Elisha could do nothing of themselves, or for themselves. As the opening paragraph makes plain, when Elisha's natural time to die came, he suffered and died just like any other human - even though during his lifetime the Holy Spirit healed the sick and raised the dead through him. It was the Holy Spirit of God that made it possible.
Elijah was an ordinary human being, who knew hunger (1 Kings 19:6), weariness (1 Kings 19:5), and fear (1 Kings 19:2-3), just like any other. After being threatened by the wicked Jezebel, he "went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree; and he asked that he might die, saying, "It is enough; now, O Lord, take away my life; for I am no better than my fathers" (1 Kings 19:4 RSV). Neither was Elisha, or any other human before or since.
The Holy Spirit Remained
In the miracle of Elisha's bones (unlike the widespread fraudulent religious industry of "miraculous relics of saints" that has been operating for centuries, right to the present day), for however long it lasted (there is only one recorded miracle from Elisha's bones), a measure of the Holy Spirit actually remained for some time (at least a number of months, since all that was left was his bones) with Elisha's body - the only way that the miracle of reviving that dead man (back to physical life from which he would again have died later - see "Resurrections" in the Fact Finder question below) could have happened.
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/20020731.htm
...to me, this is no different from Balaam's donkey, a one time occurence.
I do not believe for a moment, that anything that belonged to any prophets, or apostles or Jesus Christ survived the ages. Therefore, to me, no such items exist.[/b]
And if the Holy Spirit can linger on the bones of Elisha, what more of the relics of the Saints (performed miracles as well) and matyrs....
Numerous miracles have been atributed to such relics...does the author of that article try refuting that? -
for a moment, I thought unker Eng is going to say, the Bones of Elisha is the real thing (ie. original, really his bones) where else those crosses/crucifixs are replicas (ie, not original).
imagine have to carry the original cross everywhere .... can die from exhaustion ... -
The Church scatters the Relics of the True Cross throughout the globe. Not sure whether Singapore has or not.Originally posted by vince69:for a moment, I thought unker Eng is going to say, the Bones of Elisha is the real thing (ie. original, really his bones) where else those crosses/crucifixs are replicas (ie, not original).
imagine have to carry the original cross everywhere .... can die from exhaustion ... -
Merry Meet To All,
Amazing. A turn of events makes a meaningless topic interesting. Elisha's Bones, Holy Sacraments, Holy Spirit, Discussion burning like a wild fire.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
can you do some research on this? like dates?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:The Church scatters the Relics of the True Cross throughout the globe. Not sure whether Singapore has or not.
when the church started doing this? when did they actually go back to colloect the cross, how they identified which one is the correct one (there are at least three crosses there at that time)? ...etc
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Not too knowledgable on this issue. Merely read wikipedia entry on it. Will do some research.Originally posted by vince69:can you do some research on this? like dates?
when the church started doing this? when did they actually go back to colloect the cross, how they identified which one is the correct one (there are at least three crosses there at that time)? ...etc
Thanks
If im not mistaken, it was founded under Holy Sepulcher Church in juerasalem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_cross
The article is pretty good enough with quotes from those involved in its findings 17 centuries ago. -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
dats why i like to come here. very fun de.
[b]Merry Meet To All,
Amazing. A turn of events makes a meaningless topic interesting. Elisha's Bones, Holy Sacraments, Holy Spirit, Discussion burning like a wild fire.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b] -
Merry Meet Ito_^,Originally posted by Ito_^:dats why i like to come here. very fun de.
No wonder i seldom see you around my haven these days.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:The Church scatters the Relics of the True Cross throughout the globe. Not sure whether Singapore has or not.
yeah, I got the staff of Moses, sling shot of David, hair of Samson, plus the voicebox of Balaam's donkey stash somewhere. -
And i got Chin Eng underwear as well....Originally posted by Chin Eng:
yeah, I got the staff of Moses, sling shot of David, hair of Samson, plus the voicebox of Balaam's donkey stash somewhere.
But do u reallie think the Early Christians will just use the Cross as firewood....NO! -
Merry Meet Chin Eng,Originally posted by Chin Eng:
yeah, I got the staff of Moses, sling shot of David, hair of Samson, plus the voicebox of Balaam's donkey stash somewhere.
Staff of Moses is the same Wood that made Noah's Ark. I would love to have the Staff of Moses but its not possible to even have a Staff of such precious wood in this 21st Century.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
The Romans will use as firewood.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:And i got Chin Eng underwear as well....
But do u reallie think the Early Christians will just use the Cross as firewood....NO! -
not sure whether same as noah's wood.Originally posted by OCEANOS:Staff of Moses is the same Wood that made Noah's Ark. I would love to have the Staff of Moses but its not possible to even have a Staff of such precious wood in this 21st Century.
Actually the staff of Moses, or what remained of it, is now in some museum.
It is black in color. -
Merry Meet Icemoon,Originally posted by Icemoon:not sure whether same as noah's wood.
Actually the staff of Moses, or what remained of it, is now in some museum.
It is black in color.
They are the same wood, not literally black but brown.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Merry Meet To All,
Since this topic initially is about Cross, let me share with you my Cross from Ireland & a Pope XI medal.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
chao-ta liao lah.Originally posted by OCEANOS:They are the same wood, not literally black but brown.