I Got Scam To A Regular Cell Group Meeting
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Yes, but it should be voluntary, not coerced or forced...Originally posted by shade343:Simple. If you read the bible, theres one part that mentions you have to give 10% of your income to God. Although that was a traditional practice in the past, protestants churches love to adopt this practice for many reasons(usually, the main reason is showing your love to god).
if someone keep bugging you to give...do you consider it voluntary or coerced or buggering?
I am alright with passing the tins around, etc, but not those keep hagging types.
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l dun agree this part...giv $ means show ur love to god...siao...this is the most ridiculuous part of bible l noe...Originally posted by shade343:Simple. If you read the bible, theres one part that mentions you have to give 10% of your income to God. Although that was a traditional practice in the past, protestants churches love to adopt this practice for many reasons(usually, the main reason is showing your love to god).
l rather donate to those old ppl and handicapped rather than show my love to this god then -_-"
still 10% summore..wait long long lo..1 cent l oso dun giv siah -
I agree with Shevchenko, money should be given to those MORE in need like to the poor, handicapped or to charity...Originally posted by xShevchenkox:l dun agree this part...giv $ means show ur love to god...siao...this is the most ridiculuous part of bible l noe...
l rather donate to those old ppl and handicapped rather than show my love to this god then -_-"
still 10% summore..wait long long lo..1 cent l oso dun giv siah
not to the church to built a bigger church. -
there is more to tithing that the modern day church does not want to teach and want to understand. If you want the whole picture, read the Holy Scriptures. What the churches do today is just pick and choose what suits them. This is what I do not like.
To the TS, what that person did was wrong. No excuses. Its people like him/her that give believers a really bad name.
I have to agree with SgMac, if you want to join a church, join a proper one that teaches you the right stuff. -
yea hi 5 ^^...the giving 10% of ur income to the church is one of the most absurb thing l hav heard...and l deemed it as RUBBISHOriginally posted by nightzip:I agree with Shevchenko, money should be given to those MORE in need like to the poor, handicapped or to charity...
not to the church to built a bigger church.
Build bigger church of coz their main reasons..cuz they wan to get more ppl into the church..which means more $ for them? -
His SIGNATURE says it all haha.Originally posted by Icemoon:macross very gentleman .. never use the chance to intro the Catholic Church.
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I have to clarify a bit.Originally posted by xShevchenkox:l dun agree this part...giv $ means show ur love to god...siao...this is the most ridiculuous part of bible l noe...
l rather donate to those old ppl and handicapped rather than show my love to this god then -_-"
still 10% summore..wait long long lo..1 cent l oso dun giv siah
The original tithing commandment is more than just giving your money to the religious authority every month.
In fact, the reason why a portion of your wealth is given is because the priestly tribe (the Levi) did not own any land. So they count upon other tribes who own land for support. It is like Catholic priests today who live on an allowance, typically < $1k a month.
When the Temple was destroyed, the tithing commandment became void. But this did not stop the Jews from performing acts of charity, called Tzedakah.http://www.jewfaq.org/tzedakah.htm
xShevchenkox .. amazingly your thinking is very close to God's intention and the Jewish practice!
The Meaning of "Tzedakah"
"Tzedakah" is the Hebrew word for the acts that we call "charity" in English: giving aid, assistance and money to the poor and needy or to other worthy causes. However, the nature of tzedakah is very different from the idea of charity. The word "charity" suggests benevolence and generosity, a magnanimous act by the wealthy and powerful for the benefit of the poor and needy. The word "tzedakah" is derived from the Hebrew root Tzade-Dalet-Qof, meaning righteousness, justice or fairness. In Judaism, giving to the poor is not viewed as a generous, magnanimous act; it is simply an act of justice and righteousness, the performance of a duty, giving the poor their due.
The Obligation of Tzedakah
Giving to the poor is an obligation in Judaism, a duty that cannot be forsaken even by those who are themselves in need. Some sages have said that tzedakah is the highest of all commandments, equal to all of them combined, and that a person who does not perform tzedakah is equivalent to an idol worshipper. Tzedakah is one of the three acts that gain us forgiveness from our sins. The High Holiday liturgy states that G-d has inscribed a judgment against all who have sinned, but teshuvah (repentance), tefilah (prayer) and tzedakah can reverse the decree. See Days of Awe.
According to Jewish law, we are required to give one-tenth of our income to the poor. This is generally interpreted as one-tenth of our net income after payment of taxes. Those who are dependent on public assistance or living on the edge of subsistence may give less; no person should give so much that he would become a public burden.
The obligation to perform tzedakah can be fulfilled by giving money to the poor, to health care institutions, to synagogues or to educational institutions. It can also be fulfilled by supporting your children beyond the age when you are legally required to, or supporting your parents in their old age. The obligation includes giving to both Jews and gentiles; contrary to popular belief, Jews do not just "take care of our own."
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wah kao .. so he is advertising all the time .. in every forum he goes!Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:His SIGNATURE says it all haha.
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haha oh really? anyway thanks for u making the effort to clarify..at least l noe sumtinz...Originally posted by Icemoon:xShevchenkox .. amazingly your thinking is very close to God's intention and the Jewish practice! -
This kind of thing need to clarify.Originally posted by xShevchenkox:haha oh really? anyway thanks for u making the effort to clarify..at least l noe sumtinz...
Because corrupted Christian practices have alienated people from God.
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x2Originally posted by nightzip:I agree with Shevchenko, money should be given to those MORE in need like to the poor, handicapped or to charity...
not to the church to built a bigger church. -
Remember, "giving to the poor is an act of justice and righteousness, the performance of a duty, giving the poor their due." (from the website I quoted)Originally posted by nightzip:I agree with Shevchenko, money should be given to those MORE in need like to the poor, handicapped or to charity...
not to the church to built a bigger church.
Even if Shevchenko did not agree, God also agrees with you.
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Amen.Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:x2
God agrees with you. -
so how do u determine whether a particular church is proper or improper?
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A proper church will have four marks.Originally posted by monoslayer:so how do u determine whether a particular church is proper or improper?
It must be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. -
Evangelism that got too far =/
No offense to Christians, but you guys need to educate the right way of spreading the religion.
Some people just really piss me off with thier way of "pulling" me into it. -
you are leaving people with no choice!Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:A proper church will have four marks.
It must be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
where else but the Catholic Church will have these four marks? -
You propose a different model lah.Originally posted by Icemoon:you are leaving people with no choice!
where else but the Catholic Church will have these four marks? -
so only a catholic church is proper?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:A proper church will have four marks.
It must be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
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my church does not ask people to give 10%.. they even ask this visitor not to give anything.. Even u pay or don't u between u n God... so the church should not worry so much..
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I'm not saying that the other 'churches' are lying to you 100%. Definitely there is some element of good in them, and some aspects Mother Church can learn from them. Just that, how much truth you want to accept and bear, that's all.Originally posted by monoslayer:so only a catholic church is proper? -
Note we are talking about proper church and not true church.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:You propose a different model lah.
IMHO, a proper church is one that has God as the focus. Not me but God. I think this is related to what Skibi is trying to get across.
So when you have God as the focus, you will want to give glory to God. Only God deserves the glory, not us.
So before you do anything, think twice. Can lying give glory to God? Do the ends justify the means?
It is good to reflect what Jesus has done or would have done.
To quote Pope John Paul II,The ultimate goal of discipleship is glory. The way is one of 'imitating Christ', who lived in love and died for love on the Cross.
http://www.godspy.com/meditations/Whatever-place-does-not-welcome-you-or-listen-to-you-leave-there-and-shake-the-dust-off-your-feet-Meditation-by-Pope-John-Paul-II.cfm -
Non-Christians are not supposed to give because the money might came from Satan.Originally posted by soulwinner:my church does not ask people to give 10%.. they even ask this visitor not to give anything.. Even u pay or don't u between u n God... so the church should not worry so much..
A corollary is that if you are Christian and your money comes from dishonest means, then you better don't give a single cent.
God don't want your money. Your money doesn't give glory to God. -
Oh ok, let's go down one step from True to Proper.Originally posted by Icemoon:Note we are talking about proper church and not true church. Mr. Green
IMHO, a proper church is one that has God as the focus. Not me but God. I think this is related to what Skibi is trying to get across.
A good starting point, but I'm sure we can add more. -
Proper? hmm... do any of the churches keep shabbat? do they celebrate the feasts of YHVH? Do they keep the law of Hashem? These are your starting points...Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Oh ok, let's go down one step from True to Proper.
A good starting point, but I'm sure we can add more.
Then you can go on to do they also not keep festivals like easter and christmas which are pagan and thus practice idolatry...