What's wrong with going to hell? - discuss
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Originally posted by Icemoon:
It has come to my attention that the majority of christians forever ask the same question "will I go to heaven?", or even declare "I will go to heaven" constantly. This over-emphasis on salvation is unbecoming of a christian as it is self-serving rather than with the intention of serving God.
Jesus to disciples: “Let anyone of you who is strong enough bring out the perfect human and stand before my face.” They all said, “We have the strength.” But their spirits did not dare to stand before him, except for Judas Iscariot. - Peuaggelion Nioudas
Consider the words of Jesus...Matthew 10:39 NIV
Similarly, those who hanker after the reward of salvation will lose it while those that serve God fully without desiring any reward will be blessed.
Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
So I ask again... what's wrong with going to hell? If God demands that you descend to hell to do battle with the 7,405,926 demons of hell and their master Satan it should be a great honour. The apostle Judas Iscariot was the first, and shall not be the last. -
nia, this one im quite sure there has been a misinterpretation leh....
have you considered john 3:16? -
on second thought, skibi seems like a cult...
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Where in the Bible that is stated that God demanded that you descend to hell to do battle with the 7,405,926 demons of hell and their master Satan?Originally posted by Skibi:Similarly, those who hanker after the reward of salvation will lose it while those that serve God fully without desiring any reward will be blessed.
So I ask again... what's wrong with going to hell? If God demands that you descend to hell to do battle with the 7,405,926 demons of hell and their master Satan it should be a great honour. The apostle Judas Iscariot was the first, and shall not be the last.
Where in the Bible that is stated that Judas Iscariot was the first?
Who do you think Judas is? John Constantine?
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now then you know!Originally posted by davidche:on second thought, skibi seems like a cult... -
actually come to think about it.... the thread doesn't make sense.
only two things are established: the going, and the place. the why is definitely not in the TS' equation.
it's kinda like "what's wrong with going to prison"...
ok if I am there to visit a friend, or do some counselling,
not ok if I am required by law to stay for an extended period.
OR
"what's wrong with going to the Institute of Mental Health,
ok if I am a doctor, counsellor, or perhaps even a relative of a patient.
not ok if I am a patient....
Don't you agree with that, skibi. -
Brothers,Originally posted by davidche:on second thought, skibi seems like a cult...
I think the word 'cult' seems a bit too strong, much that I disagree with him (actually not sure of this also, cause never met in person before), till we are really know Skibi's stand for sure, personally, I feel its not good to anyhow label him with this.
peace ...
btw...
this topic, can anyone tell me the purpose of this topic? -
Discussion topic... about the morality of hankering after rewards. Is it really for God's sake that we desire to go to heaven, or is it rather to save our own skin from the torment of hell?Originally posted by furb:Haha typical behaviour of humans... if there is no rewards, why would i even bother. -
Nope. According to your own title, it's about what's wrong with going to hell, and to fight the 7 million plus demons and Satan himself.Originally posted by Skibi:Discussion topic... about the morality of hankering after rewards.
....which is remarkably different about not hankering after rewards. -
lol. well, its wrong because God never intended us to goto hell.
We were all planned for salvation, to be eternally with Him in a place of no sin, no pain, no death.
2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
If we were intended to go to hell, Jesus didn't have to die for our sins. He could have died for a selected few. But He died for everyone.
John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world..." and that includes you, and even Judas.
The night Judas betrayed Jesus, Jesus called him, "Friend". He knew Judas would betray Him all this while.. But He never abandoned him..
Judas perished because he didn't understand grace. He felt so ashamed for betraying Jesus he took his own life instead of turning to Jesus for forgiveness of sin. Compared to Peter, who betrayed Jesus in his own unique way. He too felt ashamed and terrified, but he trusted Jesus' promise of salvation and was forgiven for his sins. -
as for hankering after reward.. Don't worry about it. Try not to think with your own sense of morality and righteousness.
God wants us to chase after these rewards. He wants to reward us!
Will a father be pissed if his son looks forward to a reward for performing well in school? Or would the father be even more pleased and eager to reward his son?
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Nothing is for God's sake. God don't need us. He is God, He is the Independant One. It's not a favour we're doing for God to receive salvation.Originally posted by Skibi:Discussion topic... about the morality of hankering after rewards. Is it really for God's sake that we desire to go to heaven, or is it rather to save our own skin from the torment of hell?
It's the opposite. We need God in our lives, we need grace, we need real joy, we need real direction, we need real peace. And God knew all these, and died for us. So we can be with Him. -
Nope.Originally posted by davidche:on second thought, skibi seems like a cult...
Where is the cult figure? The leader? -
Disagree.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:If we were intended to go to hell, Jesus didn't have to die for our sins. He could have died for a selected few. But He died for everyone.
John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world..." and that includes you, and even Judas.
Jesus died for His sheeps. The sheeps, not the grass (sorry .. what is the biblical metaphor for those who are unsaved?)
The logic is right in John 3:16. You ignored the context.16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
The world doesn't include everyone. It refers to the selected few. Because in verse 17, it says God send His Son to save the world. But we know it is not possible the whole world (everyone) can be saved. -
Your logic in red is amusing, to say the least.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:The night Judas betrayed Jesus, Jesus called him, "Friend". He knew Judas would betray Him all this while.. But He never abandoned him..
Judas perished because he didn't understand grace. He felt so ashamed for betraying Jesus he took his own life instead of turning to Jesus for forgiveness of sin. Compared to Peter, who betrayed Jesus in his own unique way. He too felt ashamed and terrified, but he trusted Jesus' promise of salvation and was forgiven for his sins.
How do you ask for forgiveness .. from a corpse? -
I think you misunderstand my siggy.Originally posted by Skibi:So I ask again... what's wrong with going to hell? If God demands that you descend to hell to do battle with the 7,405,926 demons of hell and their master Satan it should be a great honour. The apostle Judas Iscariot was the first, and shall not be the last.
In the Peuaggelion Nioudas, Judas did not go to hell.
On the contrary, Judas received enlightenment, in the gnostic sense. -
I think he is just using your siggy to put forward a point, but somehow I find his argument about 'Judas going to hell to fight Satan' familiar, like I come across this somewhere else, just that I can't seems to figure out where I heard/read this beforeOriginally posted by Icemoon:I think you misunderstand my siggy.
In the Peuaggelion Nioudas, Judas did not go to hell.
On the contrary, Judas received enlightenment, in the gnostic sense.
btw ... there is one thing I am unsure about, that is, did Judas go to hell? or did Jesus' death also redeemn him (Judas) and he (Judas) is also saved? -
Judas is in hell according to Dante.Originally posted by vince69:btw ... there is one thing I am unsure about, that is, did Judas go to hell? or did Jesus' death also redeemn him (Judas) and he (Judas) is also saved? -
very sorryOriginally posted by Icemoon:Judas is in hell according to Dante.
, who is Dante ??? -
Dante's Divine Comedy.Originally posted by vince69:very sorry , who is Dante ??? -
Go to hell good what...Got free booze,girls,drugs,gambling,sex,porn,fighting etc etc etc
Beats better then sing songs whole day at heaven for Jesus to hear -
u wish. its more like getting raped by demons obsessed with bondaged roasted over a bbq pit for all of eternity.Originally posted by Advante_101:Go to hell good what...Got free booze,girls,drugs,gambling,sex,porn,fighting etc etc etc
Beats better then sing songs whole day at heaven for Jesus to hear
u into sm ar? -
What a joke .. you mean God is not sovereign over hell? Is hell outside the three realms (san1 jie4)?Originally posted by Skibi:So I ask again... what's wrong with going to hell? If God demands that you descend to hell to do battle with the 7,405,926 demons of hell and their master Satan it should be a great honour. The apostle Judas Iscariot was the first, and shall not be the last.
Also, you want to battle satan and demons also not your turn. The honour is reserved for the archangel Michael. -
After death Everybody go to heaven for a while before getting send back to hell.Hell is here and now.
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actually will hell exist forever?