Sola Scriptura
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Where in Scripture does it say Scripture is the sole, exclusive and infallible authority ? Give me chapter and verse.
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...and the purpose of this question, as with all your other questions, is to continue to drive a wedge between RCs and Protestants who had existed rather peacefully here in EH? While there are many of us who are trying to ignore the differences and focus on the similarity, you keeping pointing out the controversial....Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Where in Scripture does it say Scripture is the sole, exclusive and infallible authority ? Give me chapter and verse.
so, what is the objective of your actions?
what do you hope to achieve out of all these? -
I am curious to know which verse supports that.
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Don't close the topic.
If Christians cannot answer, let me try to do it. -
Haha thats the spirit. I wont be surprised Icemoon does it haha...his knowledge far outstrips mine.Originally posted by Icemoon:Don't close the topic.
If Christians cannot answer, let me try to do it. -
I'd suggest you answer him in RC forums.Originally posted by Icemoon:Don't close the topic.
If Christians cannot answer, let me try to do it. -
1) This is a christian forum not a protestant forum. Hence, I have as much right as you in asking questions.Originally posted by M©+square:I'd suggest you answer him in RC forums.
2) Do u expect a protestant to answer my question in a Catholic forum?
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3) because i'm not a christian, and you'll never accept protestant's belief even the verse is presented to you.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:1) This is a christian forum not a protestant forum. Hence, I have as much right as you in asking questions.
2) Do u expect a protestant to answer my question in a Catholic forum?
3) Why dont u answer my post?
So there is no point. You should have realised that in every of the thread you posted, it is always about Apostolic traditions and Church fathers. Even in threads which doesn't concern traditions, you will somehow veer the topic to debates(do corrrect me if those are not considered debates).
I don't mind if it's once in awhile, that's why i always like to see ben post because he is very objective. Don't always delibrately talk about the things you want to talk lah. If you want, start a thread solely on Church Apostalic traditions and Church father's tradition.
Merry Go Round in too many threads, wait Unker will close threads....
Ben?! Where are you!!!!! Come back!!!! -
1) The same argument goes to Protestant who wont ever accept the Papacy despite Apostolic Fathers and Scripture backingOriginally posted by M©+square:3) because i'm not a christian, and you'll never accept protestant's belief even the verse is presented to you.
So there is no point. You should have realised that in every of the thread you posted, it is always about Apostolic traditions and Church fathers. Even in threads which doesn't concern traditions, you will somehow veer the topic to debates(do corrrect me if those are not considered debates).
I don't mind if it's once in awhile, that's why i always like to see ben post because he is very objective. Don't always delibrately talk about the things you want to talk lah. If you want, start a thread solely on Church Apostalic traditions and Church father's tradition.
Merry Go Round in too many threads, wait Unker will close threads....
Ben?! Where are you!!!!! Come back!!!!
2) U cannot separate Scripture and Tradition. Tradition gave rise to the Bible. Bible gives credence to Tradition and with both, the Church is truly the 'pinnacle and bulwark of truth' (1 Tim 3:15)
3) I want to know what verse support sola scriptura. So i started a thread on it instead of using other threads. I followed ur advice. This thread is a simple thread: show me where the verse is in support of it.
4) Its alright for a Protestant to ask a Catholic to prove whether his doctrines are biblical but wrong for the Catholic to do the same??? Double Standards huh...
5) If there is 2 opposing viewpoint, a debate is inevitable. Mind you, a debate strenghtens the faith of both side as it forces each side to research and learn more about his faith. It clears misconception as well. Do not look down at debates. -
Side track a little....
Curious abt Icemoon & MC...
Why do you always say that you're not Christian? Is it because you're not baptised yet? Just very curious, cuz I always thought that as long as you accepted the Lord (obviously both of you do believe in God and are very well versed in His teachings), you're a Christian. -
I thought Icemoon was veered towards Judaism?Originally posted by Honeybunz:Side track a little....
Curious abt Icemoon & MC...
Why do you always say that you're not Christian? Is it because you're not baptised yet? Just very curious, cuz I always thought that as long as you accepted the Lord (obviously both of you do believe in God and are very well versed in His teachings), you're a Christian. -
1) I don't know if ALL protestants disgree or not. Apparently there are different issues on why Protestanism and Catholicism differ. Not only on Traditions, but other practises.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:1) The same argument goes to Protestant who wont ever accept the Papacy despite Apostolic Fathers and Scripture backing
2) U cannot separate Scripture and Tradition. Tradition gave rise to the Bible. Bible gives credence to Tradition and with both, the Church is truly the 'pinnacle and bulwark of truth' (1 Tim 3:15)
3) I want to know what verse support sola scriptura. So i started a thread on it instead of using other threads. I followed ur advice. This thread is a simple thread: show me where the verse is in support of it.
4) Its alright for a Protestant to ask a Catholic to prove whether his doctrines are biblical but wrong for the Catholic to do the same??? Double Standards huh...
5) If there is 2 opposing viewpoint, a debate is inevitable. Mind you, a debate strenghtens the faith of both side as it forces each side to research and learn more about his faith. It clears misconception as well. Do not look down at debates.
2) I don't disagree. To a certain extend, i find tradition is paramount onto present modern Church.
3) Thank you for following my advice. Glad to have help in anyway.
You noticed i replied to Icemoon and not you because you've done nothing wrong. I don't intend to reply you because it is futile, in my opinion.
4) Wah, you put words into my mouth leh. I never once mentioned it's wrong to ask protestants for prove on their doctrines leh.
5) Of cos debates could strengthen faith of both sides, from the former threads. I reckon that the discussion have been raised and clarified by Vince and Unker CE and Fandango.
So instead of clearing misconceptions, the issue is STILL raised because their answers didn't satisfy you.
I've never looked down debates.
However, the point where debates are no longer necessary, is important. Where two opposing parties chooses to stand on their own beliefs.
We have to draw a line - agree to disagree and respect one another's viewpoint. (instead of pressing on)
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It came to a point where one of a old thread promoted doctrine of Catholic beliefs, they questioned on Protestant's rejection. Then someone said, because 'they' are idiots.
I guess that is when the the discussion and 'learning' have to cease.
Once again, these are only my opinions.
Regards -
then MC leh?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:I thought Icemoon was veered towards Judaism? -
Where in Scripture says that Scripture has to be intepreted by traditions?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Where in Scripture does it say Scripture is the sole, exclusive and infallible authority ? Give me chapter and verse.
Give me chapter and verse. (dun quote me abt Peter having the keys and all that ok)
Forget it. I am just joking. It is all a waste of time. -
good morning!Originally posted by laoda99:Where in Scripture says that Scripture has to be intepreted by traditions?
Give me chapter and verse. (dun quote me abt Peter having the keys and all that ok)
Forget it. I am just joking. It is all a waste of time.
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Gd morning, u never drink kopi ha?Originally posted by M©+square:good morning! -
went liao. Today close shop early.Originally posted by laoda99:Gd morning, u never drink kopi ha? -
1. Yup, we don't accept that papacy but we don't really want to debate about it here in EH.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:1) The same argument goes to Protestant who wont ever accept the Papacy despite Apostolic Fathers and Scripture backing
2) U cannot separate Scripture and Tradition. Tradition gave rise to the Bible. Bible gives credence to Tradition and with both, the Church is truly the 'pinnacle and bulwark of truth' (1 Tim 3:15)
3) I want to know what verse support sola scriptura. So i started a thread on it instead of using other threads. I followed ur advice. This thread is a simple thread: show me where the verse is in support of it.
4) Its alright for a Protestant to ask a Catholic to prove whether his doctrines are biblical but wrong for the Catholic to do the same??? Double Standards huh...
5) If there is 2 opposing viewpoint, a debate is inevitable. Mind you, a debate strenghtens the faith of both side as it forces each side to research and learn more about his faith. It clears misconception as well. Do not look down at debates.
2. Tradition evolves with times.
3. Verses? I bet if some are quoted, you will be tempted to say that they are misinterpreted.
4. No it's not alright, at least here in EH, which is why I discourage such debates, even those from Protestants hitting out at RCs.
5. The difference in a debate is the sense of politeness. To put in strictly, an argument or a fight is also a debate. I really don't sense a desire of debate from you. One can always tell from the words chosen. -
Take note of the words they use.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Side track a little....
Curious abt Icemoon & MC...
Why do you always say that you're not Christian? Is it because you're not baptised yet? Just very curious, cuz I always thought that as long as you accepted the Lord (obviously both of you do believe in God and are very well versed in His teachings), you're a Christian.
MC said before he is a believer.
Same for Brey.
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Actually don't you feel something is amiss?Originally posted by laoda99:Where in Scripture says that Scripture has to be intepreted by traditions?
Give me chapter and verse. (dun quote me abt Peter having the keys and all that ok)
The Jews have their Oral Tradition. The Muslims have their Oral Tradition. The Catholics have their oral tradition but it is in rojak form and more like propaganda to control the church-goers.
So where is your Oral Tradition?
Calvin's Institutes? -
Brey and me are veered towards Judaism.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:I thought Icemoon was veered towards Judaism?
Why?
Just as Christians say Muslims corrupted the Christian Bible, I think Christians also corrupted the Jewish Bible. -
And Muslims said we corrupted the Original Gospels hahaOriginally posted by Icemoon:Brey and me are veered towards Judaism.
Why?
Just as Christians say Muslims corrupted the Christian Bible, I think Christians also corrupted the Jewish Bible. -
Hmm .. maybe I should research on Islam.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:And Muslims said we corrupted the Original Gospels haha
At least they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet. -
Yea...I think Islam suits your thinking betterOriginally posted by Icemoon:Hmm .. maybe I should research on Islam.
At least they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet.
1) Christ is a prohpet
2) He came with the Gospels that are inspired
3) The Church and the early Christians screwed it up.
“ O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary is only a messenger of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Mary and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His messengers, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. „
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1) Mainly on Sola Scriptura vs Sola Verbum DeiOriginally posted by M©+square:1) I don't know if ALL protestants disgree or not. Apparently there are different issues on why Protestanism and Catholicism differ. Not only on Traditions, but other practises.
2) I don't disagree. To a certain extend, i find tradition is paramount onto present modern Church.
3) Thank you for following my advice. Glad to have help in anyway.
You noticed i replied to Icemoon and not you because you've done nothing wrong. I don't intend to reply you because it is futile, in my opinion.
4) Wah, you put words into my mouth leh. I never once mentioned it's wrong to ask protestants for prove on their doctrines leh.
5) Of cos debates could strengthen faith of both sides, from the former threads. I reckon that the discussion have been raised and clarified by Vince and Unker CE and Fandango.
So instead of clearing misconceptions, the issue is STILL raised because their answers didn't satisfy you.
I've never looked down debates.
However, the point where debates are no longer necessary, is important. Where two opposing parties chooses to stand on their own beliefs.
We have to draw a line - agree to disagree and respect one another's viewpoint. (instead of pressing on)
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It came to a point where one of a old thread promoted doctrine of Catholic beliefs, they questioned on Protestant's rejection. Then someone said, because 'they' are idiots.
I guess that is when the the discussion and 'learning' have to cease.
Once again, these are only my opinions.
Regards
2) Sacred Tradition has been used in writings since the very beginnings of the Church. Irenaus is a prime example. Tradition gave rise to the Bible. If not for Tradition, there will be no Bible to speak off.
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