The Scientists' View
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Care to adopt a few teenage satanists?Originally posted by Chin Eng:
I can safely say that my boys will not grow to be satanist... just very open minded Christians, like their dad.
I can recommend such orphans to you. -
Isnt the Big Bang a christian theory??? I thought thats the main reason why atheist hates it. How nothing or energy (god) created something.
Wikipedia:
[b]Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Roman Catholic priest, independently derived the Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker equations from Albert Einstein's equations of general relativity in 1927 and proposed, on the basis of the recession of spiral nebulae, that the universe began as a simple "primeval atom"—what was later called the Big Bang
The following is a list of various religious interpretations of the Big Bang theory:
A number of Christian and traditional Jewish sources have accepted the Big Bang as a possible description of the origin of the universe, interpreting it to allow for a philosophical first cause. Pope Pius XII was an enthusiastic proponent of the Big Bang even before the theory was scientifically well-established and consequently the Roman Catholic Church has been a prominent advocate for the idea that creation ex nihilo can be interpreted as consistent with the Big Bang. This view is shared by many religious Jews in all branches of rabbinic Judaism. Some groups contend the Big Bang is also consistent with the teaching of creation according to Kabbalah. [32]
Some modern Islamic scholars believe that the Qur'an parallels the Big Bang in its account of creation, described as follows: "Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit of creation, before We clove them asunder?" (Ch:21,Ver:30). The claim has also been made that the Qur'an describes an expanding universe: "The heaven, We have built it with power. And verily, We are expanding it." (Ch:51,Ver:47).[33] Parallels with the Big Crunch and an oscillating universe have also been suggested: "On the day when We will roll up the heavens like the rolling up of the scroll for writings, as We originated the first creation, (so) We shall reproduce it; a promise (binding on Us); surely We will bring it about." (Ch:21,Ver:104). -
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How could a Christian ever support that creation happened as an Event of Coincidence.
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Big Bang is kinda biblical i think haha.
Scientist loathe it. Proves God in some sense. How nothing created something. -
No money to support.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Care to adopt a few teenage satanists?
I can recommend such orphans to you. -
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Big Bang is not nothing create something. I think we need to be clear on this.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Big Bang is kinda biblical i think haha.
Scientist loathe it. Proves God in some sense. How nothing created something.
It is biblical because there was a creation - of time, space and the "raw materials". The Jewish understanding of creation, since the medieval age, uses unscientific terms and labels but resembles the modern physics understanding of the phenomenon. -
I think the nothing creating something is accurate.I think the proper term is ex nihilo.Originally posted by Icemoon:Big Bang is not nothing create something. I think we need to be clear on this.
It is biblical because there was a creation - of time, space and the "raw materials". The Jewish understanding of creation, since the medieval age, uses unscientific terms and labels but resembles the modern physics understanding of the phenomenon. -
Yes. Ex Nihilo.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:I think the nothing creating something is accurate.I think the proper term is ex nihilo.
But note that physics can describe what happens before the Big Bang (the use of before is confusing, sorry).
In other words, atheists need not be uncomfortable with the Big Bang. This is the point I'm trying to put across. -
Good point.Originally posted by Icemoon:Yes. Ex Nihilo.
But note that physics can describe what happens before the Big Bang (the use of before is confusing, sorry).
In other words, atheists need not be uncomfortable with the Big Bang. This is the point I'm trying to put across.
I concede on that.
But christians too can be comfortable in dealing with big bang. Thats half of my argument. -
I'm not sure for fundamentalist christians - those YEC type though.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:But christians too can be comfortable in dealing with big bang. Thats half of my argument.
Jews have no problem with the big bang.
We wonder why .. don't they hug their Torah (Genesis is in Torah mind you ..) tighter than the Christians? -
christians have not notion of Torah, to them it is more like a good bedtime story...Originally posted by Icemoon:I'm not sure for fundamentalist christians - those YEC type though.
Jews have no problem with the big bang.
We wonder why .. don't they hug their Torah (Genesis is in Torah mind you ..) tighter than the Christians? -
yeah.Originally posted by breytonhartge:christians have not notion of Torah, to them it is more like a good bedtime story...
a good bedtime story that speaks of a curse to whoever follows the Word (read: commandments) obediently. -
how much they miss out on life and life to the full indeed.Originally posted by Icemoon:yeah.
a good bedtime story that speaks of a curse to whoever follows the Word (read: commandments) obediently. -
But Christians intepretate Genesis literally...Originally posted by Icemoon:yeah.
a good bedtime story that speaks of a curse to whoever follows the Word (read: commandments) obediently. -
conveniently strange isn't it? or should I say strangely convenient...Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:But Christians intepretate Genesis literally...
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.. minus the ba kwa, kway chup and kong bak.Originally posted by breytonhartge:how much they miss out on life and life to the full indeed. -
Huh??? I dont get...Originally posted by breytonhartge:conveniently strange isn't it? or should I say strangely convenient... 
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Luckily the Catholic Church interpretes Scripture literally and allegorically.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:But Christians intepretate Genesis literally...
Kudos to the Catholic Church for she was friendly to science. In fact the Church did not crush evolutionary thoughts before Darwin. -
Not all christians lah
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Originally posted by Icemoon:.. minus the ba kwa, kway chup and kong bak.
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Actually kosher law is more strict than halal law issit?Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Or else Jews can just patronise any halal food store liao. -
kosher most definitely more strict than halal...Originally posted by Icemoon:Actually kosher law is more strict than halal law issit?
Or else Jews can just patronise any halal food store liao. -
Well, I also have been rather tolerant with breytonhartge's stupidity. If he doesn't read the links that I post and start to ask stupid questions and give dumb remarks, that's just dumb.Originally posted by SumOne:There you go again.
The people here have so far respected your right not to believe in any religion, be it Christianity or any other faith, your not believing there is a God is a belief in itself.
Just as how others have respected your beliefs, it would be nice for you to respect the belief of others. Questions are one thing, but when you are tending towards provoking and annoying people by the tone and nature of your posts, its a different thing altogether.
I seriously doubt the "good intentions" of your posts. And I can tell you that this discussion is going to end up nowhere, because ultimately everyone will still continue to believe in what they originally believed in.
And with people like you posting remarks like that, it's no wonder that eventually such threads become flame baits. Which I think might be your intention all along. But it remains to be seen if your behaviour would improve.
Post your questions and queries, but leave out the snide remarks and the insults. The people here in general have been very gracious in replying your points despite your annoying and bratty behaviour. As a person being, you should be gracious enough to do the same.
Unless your intention is to just stir up trouble, then it's a different thing altogether.
By the way, the people here seem to be side stepping my questions and only selectively answer some.