Keeping God's commandments perfectly - what it means
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Originally posted by laoda99:
When Jesus came to earth as a man, he gave up all his powers. All the miracles he performed was not with his own power, but God's. This is to show that it is possible for everyone to keep the commandments of God perfectly in heart and deed. Actually due to Jesus' sacrifice it is now even easier to keep God's commandments perfectly as we can seek forgiveness directly from Jesus without having to go through the ritual of sacrificing burnt offerings.
Deviate a bit...very interestingly, the Westminster Shorter Catechism says:
Q. 82. Is any man able perfectly to keep the commandments of God?
A. No mere man since the fall is able in this life perfectly to keep the commandments of God, but doth daily break them in thought, word and deed.
I think this answer Brey's previous posts.
Before Jesus, there was Enoch and Elijah. They could do it, so can we.
To clarify what keeping God commandments perfectly means...
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbour
Everytime we sin we must seek God for forgiveness to absolve our sins. Once our sins have been absolved we are 100% holy until we sin again. However this does not mean we can sin with impunity. To prove our sincerity we must try to sin less and less each time God forgives us until eventually we sin no more. This is because God only forgives those who truly wish to repent.
The thing to note is that once a sin has been absolved by God it is forever forgiven. You may remember it, but God will not bring it up anymore. -
If you are talking about those Jewish commandments then you are wrong.Originally posted by Skibi:To clarify what keeping God commandments perfectly means...
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbour
God gave 613 on Mount Sinai, how come you reduce to only 2?
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Are you a Jew? Were your ancestors under the Mosaic covenant with God?Originally posted by Skibi:Actually due to Jesus' sacrifice it is now even easier to keep God's commandments perfectly as we can seek forgiveness directly from Jesus without having to go through the ritual of sacrificing burnt offerings.
Read the Old Testament. Did God ask Jonah to demand a sacrifice/burnt offerings from the Ninevians? -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
If you are talking about those Jewish commandments then you are wrong.
God gave 613 on Mount Sinai, how come you reduce to only 2?
For reference.
Matthew 22:36-40 NIV
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." -
Jesus is correct. You can view the two as the foundation. Read the account of Rabbi Hillel who lived around the same time as Jesus. How did he reply the guy who asked him to teach him the Torah standing on one foot?Originally posted by Skibi:For reference.
But it is not right to say you need to keep only those two. Not only those two, but the 613 as well. -
By the way, the guy in Matthew 22:36-40 should be a Jew. Unless you can show me otherwise.
If he is a Jew, you cannot take whatever Jesus told him and apply to us.
If you want to apply to us, should use the teachings from Apostle Paul.
Edit: sorry .. I just realized Jesus' audience was the Pharisees .. so this just strengthens my point. I got mixed up with the rich man somewhere else. -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
God is fair in his judgement. The way to enter the kingdom of heaven is the same for everyone.
By the way, the guy in Matthew 22:36-40 should be a Jew. Unless you can show me otherwise.
If he is a Jew, you cannot take whatever Jesus told him and apply to us.
If you want to apply to us, should use the teachings from Apostle Paul. -
God judges according to the person. It cannot be the same for everyone because we live under different circumstances.Originally posted by Skibi:God is fair in his judgement. The way to enter the kingdom of heaven is the same for everyone.
For the Jews, the requirements are higher. It is the price to pay for being God's chosen people. However they are spiritually closer to God, that's why some gentiles want to convert to Judaism - to get closer to God. But conversion is not encouraged and rabbis will try to dissuade you. -
Skibi .. the commandments are there for a reason. Read the ten statements, do you know the principles behind them?
PS: There is no such thing as the ten commandments. There are only 613 mitzvahs (Hebrew for commandments), no 10 mitzvahs. The Hebrew word should be translated as 'statements' or 'declarations', not 'commandments'. -
So next time don't let me catch Brey writing 'ten commandments'.
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Torah...Originally posted by Icemoon:So next time don't let me catch Brey writing 'ten commandments'. 
Keep the Torah... -
Yes. Keep the Torah.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Torah... Keep the Torah...
No .. I don't mean we keep the Torah .. we can't.
I still want to eat pork you know ..
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Brey .. when was the last time you ate Kway Chap.
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erm, 100% holy means what? sinless? thus perfect?Originally posted by Skibi:When Jesus came to earth as a man, he gave up all his powers. All the miracles he performed was not with his own power, but God's. This is to show that it is possible for everyone to keep the commandments of God perfectly in heart and deed. Actually due to Jesus' sacrifice it is now even easier to keep God's commandments perfectly as we can seek forgiveness directly from Jesus without having to go through the ritual of sacrificing burnt offerings.
Before Jesus, there was Enoch and Elijah. They could do it, so can we.
To clarify what keeping God commandments perfectly means...
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbour
Everytime we sin we must seek God for forgiveness to absolve our sins. Once our sins have been absolved we are 100% holy until we sin again. However this does not mean we can sin with impunity. To prove our sincerity we must try to sin less and less each time God forgives us until eventually we sin no more. This is because God only forgives those who truly wish to repent.
The thing to note is that once a sin has been absolved by God it is forever forgiven. You may remember it, but God will not bring it up anymore. -
Lol, how many people were actuallie sinless in Scripture?
I do know in NT, only Jesus and Mary were described as full of grace. Maybe the key is not BEING sinless but always Trying to be sinless. -
So how come you're not Catholic?Originally posted by Skibi:When Jesus came to earth as a man, he gave up all his powers. All the miracles he performed was not with his own power, but God's. This is to show that it is possible for everyone to keep the commandments of God perfectly in heart and deed. Actually due to Jesus' sacrifice it is now even easier to keep God's commandments perfectly as we can seek forgiveness directly from Jesus without having to go through the ritual of sacrificing burnt offerings.
Before Jesus, there was Enoch and Elijah. They could do it, so can we.
To clarify what keeping God commandments perfectly means...
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbour
Everytime we sin we must seek God for forgiveness to absolve our sins. Once our sins have been absolved we are 100% holy until we sin again. However this does not mean we can sin with impunity. To prove our sincerity we must try to sin less and less each time God forgives us until eventually we sin no more. This is because God only forgives those who truly wish to repent.
The thing to note is that once a sin has been absolved by God it is forever forgiven. You may remember it, but God will not bring it up anymore. -
I don't eat pork anymore... neither do I eat crabs or prawns, or lobsters etc... I have decided to follow a biblically clean diet... as given by Hashem...Originally posted by Icemoon:Yes. Keep the Torah.
No .. I don't mean we keep the Torah .. we can't.
I still want to eat pork you know .. -
never... ewwww... yuck!Originally posted by Icemoon:Brey .. when was the last time you ate Kway Chap. 
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:I don't eat pork anymore... neither do I eat crabs or prawns, or lobsters etc... I have decided to follow a biblically clean diet... as given by Hashem...
Don't need to go to that extent bah ..
Luckily you don't live in Singapore. I dunno where the local Jews buy kosher food here. Maybe their synagogue has a mama shop or something. -
have you ever dream of a floating carpet .. erm .. one that is laid with food?Originally posted by breytonhartge:never... ewwww... yuck! -
actually there isOriginally posted by Icemoon:
Don't need to go to that extent bah ..
Luckily you don't live in Singapore. I dunno where the local Jews buy kosher food here. Maybe their synagogue has a mama shop or something.
example:
Croda Singapore
Overview
With vegetable raw materials in abundance in the South East Asia region, Croda Singapore is ideally placed to manufacture and supply products for the food industry that are consistent with modern trends towards wholly natural products. Furthermore, Croda Singapore is certified to supply Kosher and Halal products across its entire range. -
no... where are you heading with this??Originally posted by Icemoon:have you ever dream of a floating carpet .. erm .. one that is laid with food? 
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My wife's restaurant used to supply the Jews with Kosher food.Originally posted by Icemoon:
Don't need to go to that extent bah ..
Luckily you don't live in Singapore. I dunno where the local Jews buy kosher food here. Maybe their synagogue has a mama shop or something.
That extent is needed. It is what Hashem expects of us. I am my Father's child and I do His work and am about His business. It is called obedience. -
'cos why did God give Peter that vision but not you?Originally posted by breytonhartge:no... where are you heading with this??
I am just wondering. -
icy see my reply hereOriginally posted by Icemoon:'cos why did God give Peter that vision but not you?
I am just wondering.
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