Jesus Is Not Incarnation Of Father
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no its not. i know wad i meant. wad im trying to convey is.. one God in a manifestation of 3 persons..Originally posted by laoda99:ok...read this link....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchianism
and tell us what ur views is the same as Monarchianism. -
ok...then I think u r just not good with ur wordsOriginally posted by mhcampboy:no its not. i know wad i meant. wad im trying to convey is.. one God in a manifestation of 3 persons..
Dun think we use the word manifestation...this one apply to polytheistic religions which believe in different manifestations...... -
hmm i think u r right. now it seems logical and understood. site is just distinguishing itself...Originally posted by sillyme:I think technically the site is not wrong. Jesus is not the Father, but the Son. I think the site is trying to distinguish the God the Father and God the Son are two different Persons. -
But the Apostles' Creed says nothing about the Trinity.Originally posted by laoda99:I would use the Apostle's Creed 
It is just a statement of faith for Christianity.1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:
9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
10. The forgiveness of sins:
1l. The resurrection of the body:
12. And the life everlasting. Amen. -
I dun think Sabellians recite the Apostle's Creed right?Originally posted by Icemoon: -
ok fine. represented can??Originally posted by laoda99:ok...then I think u r just not good with ur words
Dun think we use "manifestation" also...this one apply to Hindu God. -
Using the right words is important.Originally posted by mhcampboy:no its not. i know wad i meant. wad im trying to convey is.. one God in a manifestation of 3 persons..
Come, let me share something with you (in case it slipped out of your mind even if you read it before).The Definition of the
Council of Chalcedon (451 A.D)
Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects, apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the creed of the fathers has handed down to us. -
For those interested to learn about one of the longest creed regarding the Trinity, read The Athanasian Creed - http://www.crcna.org/pages/athanasian_creed.cfm
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I think the Athanasius' Creed is more approppriate to describe the Trinity right?
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Does the Apostles' Creed contradict their belief in any way? I'm not too sure.Originally posted by laoda99:I dun think Sabellians recite the Apostle's Creed right? -
Hmmm.....nevermind.....I think the Apostles' Creed described the Christian faith best...Originally posted by Icemoon:Does the Apostles' Creed contradict their belief in any way? I'm not too sure.
I read the Athanasian Creed link u send me and I am having a headache now.... -
Yup.Originally posted by sillyme:I think the Athanasius' Creed is more approppriate to describe the Trinity right?
Because Athanasius spent his whole life fighting off the Arian heresy of the Trinity. -
http://www.carm.org/creeds/westminster_shorter.htm
Q. 6. How many persons are there in the godhead?
A. There are three persons in the Godhead; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory. -
Hey .. it is good prose ok even though it is a translation. I think children will like to recite it. Make it part of Sunday School!Originally posted by laoda99:I read the Athanasian Creed link u send me and I am having a headache now....
This part is the best:Now this is the true faith:
That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.
He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.
Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
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Deviate a bit...very interestingly, the Westminster Shorter Catechism says:
Q. 82. Is any man able perfectly to keep the commandments of God?
A. No mere man since the fall is able in this life perfectly to keep the commandments of God, but doth daily break them in thought, word and deed.
I think this answer Brey's previous posts. -
Q. 90. How is the word to be read and heard, that it may become effectual to salvation?
A. That the word may become effectual to salvation, we must attend thereunto with diligence, preparation and prayer; receive it with faith and love, lay it up in our hearts, and practice it in our lives.
The part in red I think is very important for us. -
Sorry deviate for the last time. Think this also answer many recent posts' questions:
http://www.carm.org/creeds/westminster_larger.htm
Question 38:
Why was it requisite that the Mediator should be God?
Answer: It was requisite that the Mediator should be God, that he might sustain and keep the human nature from sinking under the infinite wrath of God, and the power of death; give worth and efficacy to his sufferings, obedience, and intercession; and to satisfy God's justice, procure his favor, purchase a peculiar people, give his Spirit to them, conquer all their enemies, and bring them to everlasting salvation. -
No this doesn't.Originally posted by laoda99:Deviate a bit...very interestingly, the Westminster Shorter Catechism says:
Q. 82. Is any man able perfectly to keep the commandments of God?
A. No mere man since the fall is able in this life perfectly to keep the commandments of God, but doth daily break them in thought, word and deed.
I think this answer Brey's previous posts.
Brey's conviction comes from reading the Bible. Jesus did make a few pro-Jewish statements in Matthew. A good answer will take into account those statements and try to explain them. -
My suggestion to you when you do internet research:Originally posted by mhcampboy:Already did.
I have no problems with the Trinity. Im just asking abt the validity of the website.
1. Check on the ownership of the website. In this case, it seem that it is owned by ONE person - which in itself raise a yellow flag. One person opinion is dangerous.
2. If a church or organisation owns this site, check on the orthodoxy of this group.
3. Counter check with other sites to cross-reference the points.
In my experience, I've found that there are weird sites that has very very strange theology. I've even found one that says it is Biblical to demand sex from multiple sex partners.