Father Malachi Martin
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Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:1) Most of ur claims are based on a conspiracy best novel. I have actuallie read wadever u typed out b4 when i was researching on the realities of a jesuit plot. I have long came to the conclusion that they are jack-chick style propoganda.
If you have read it before you would know that Father Malachi Martin was a former Jesuit Priest.
2) If the Catholic Church and the Jesuits is as sinister as u might protray it to be, why are u still alive? Do u tihnk they would let 650 million heretics walk free.... Instead of killing POpes, they be killing you.
3) Mr Simon Magus destroyed ur academic credibility
4) Provide me a list of approved assisanation...very rare.
5) I too can give u quotes abt how vulgar and sex crazed ur protestants fathers were.
Pls return to the holy trinity"Historically rooted, extensively documented...significant reading for Christians, Jews or persons of no religious belief."
How can you call it a mere novel?
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It is a novel.....
You better read up first. I'm sure you didn't read....
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Biography of Father Malachi Martin
http://www.biblio.com/authors/701/Malachi_Martin_Biography.html
The Reverend Dr. Father Malachi Brendan Martin (July 23, 1921- July 27, 1999) was a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest who became a popular author and speaker upon various fringe topics such as exorcisms, Satanism, Liberation Theology, the Tridentine liturgy, obscure points of Catholic dogma and the geopolitical importance of The Pope, and those who allegedly wished to topple him.
Martin was born in County Kerry, Ireland and studied at the Catholic University of Louvain in Belgium. There he received doctorates in the Semitic Languages, Archeology and Oriental History. Subsequently, he studied at Oxford and at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. He was ordained on August 15, 1954. From 1958 to 1964 he served the Holy See at the Vatican in Rome. Martin was the private secretary of Augustin Cardinal Bea in Rome and lived and worked at the Vatican for many years. In 1964, Pope Paul VI released Father Martin from the vows of poverty and obedience in the Jesuit Order, but confirmed his vow of celibacy.
Ever since Father Martin's scathing review of his former order The Jesuits: The Society of Jesus and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church ( 1988 ) rumors were spread by members of this order claiming Martin was defrocked and expelled from the Church of Rome. Martin denied this charge until his death in 1999. Father Mitchell Pacwa- chief spokesman at the Catholic run EWTN would regularly hang up on callers who inquired about Martin on his live call in show.One element of the controversy surrounding Martin is discussed here: "High Ranking Jesuit Confirms Malachi Martin's Status as Life Long Priest" by William H. Kennedy - April 2004.
In a stunning reversal of past policy Father Vincent O'Keefe SJ, former Vicar General of the Society of Jesus and a past President of Fordham University, affirmed that Malachi Martin was in fact granted a dispensation from all his vows in the Jesuit order except for chastity. This dispels decades of rumors that Father Martin was defrocked for having had an affair with the wife of a famous journalist. This was the false lie spread by past Jesuits to discredit Father Martin. Martin requested and received a special dispensation by Pope Paul VI to remain a Catholic priest and say Mass in private. -
Some of his books are fiction. The only one worthy to be read IMO is the one on exorcism. The rest of it is plain conspiracy theories haha.
Why dont u quote alberto reviera as well....maybe a jack chick would be lovely haha.
And for the slightest remote chance that this is actually true, it just goes to prove how much Satan wishes to bring us down. Would Satan wish to destroy a synagogue of Satan or the Church of God? Naturally the Church to weaken God. This attacks, very well prove we are indeed his enemy for we are the Church Christ founded.
And how can u quote Malachi and believe his conpiracy theories but denounce his dogmatic catholic beliefs as heresy? So Malachi is the Saviour of Christianity but a heretic as well....u cant have it both ways Skibi. -
Why not?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:And how can u quote Malachi and believe his conpiracy theories but denounce his dogmatic catholic beliefs as heresy? So Malachi is the Saviour of Christianity but a heretic as well....u cant have it both ways Skibi.
You need not agree to everything a person said or believe.
It is not like the Protestant belief of Bible - either it is inerrant or it is not. -
Its like saying stalin purges are horrible but the way he deals with the opposition rocks.Originally posted by Icemoon:Why not?
You need not agree to everything a person said or believe.
It is not like the Protestant belief of Bible - either it is inerrant or it is not.
How can skibi believe some unproven conspiracy theory but denounce this same man beliefs? -
can lah .. you can love and hate Machiavelli right?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Its like saying stalin purges are horrible but the way he deals with the opposition rocks.
How can skibi believe some unproven conspiracy theory but denounce this same man beliefs?
because conspiracy theories are falsifiable but beliefs are not. -
Originally posted by M©+square:
It is a novel.....
You better read up first. I'm sure you didn't read.... The Jesuits: The Society of Jesus and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church (nonfiction), 1987(ISBN 0-671-54505-1)
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Well if u want me to, i can easily find NON-FICTION books on how vulgar and sex-crazed Luther was and that he was possesed by Satan etc etc. I can do that as well.Originally posted by Skibi:Any further comments?
Out of curiosity how does showing half of the Catholic hiearachy having fallen to Satan benefit ur case?
I mean it strengthens the Catholic Church's claim to being the True Church. If was nothing more than a institution of Satan or man, why would satan be bothered attacking it. Remember somewhere in Scriptures, it said, Satan will not leave his house divided. The fact he is attacked the Catholic Church proves its his enemy because its the Church Christ founded. U do not see anyone ever proclaiming/accusing a concerted effort by satan to destroy Protestant churches because they are not his enemy.
Finally, i feel the Protestant churches have fallen to Satan. U use unproven facts/myths to attempt to prove satan is destroying the Church. I will use FACTS.
We stand alone in our opposition to Contraceptives ( a position held by every christian till 1930s). Some protestant churches have slacken in their duty to halt cloning/homosexuality/ masturbation etc etc. Nearly all of them feel contraceptives is natural. Tell me Skibi, who has completely fallen and who is FIGHTING...
Actions speak louder than words Skibi... There is a fine distinction between capitulating to Satan and fighting. -
Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:
It is God that is attacking the Catholic Church.
I mean it strengthens the Catholic Church's claim to being the True Church. If was nothing more than a institution of Satan or man, why would satan be bothered attacking it. Remember somewhere in Scriptures, it said, Satan will not leave his house divided. The fact he is attacked the Catholic Church proves its his enemy because its the Church Christ founded. U do not see anyone ever proclaiming/accusing a concerted effort by satan to destroy Protestant churches because they are not his enemy.
Do you have any idea the kind of extreme physical and mental training Jesuits go through? It is tougher than all the toughest military training in the world combined past and present - SAS, Navy Seal, all pale greatly in comparison. Only the most fanatical(and disciplined), the most briliant, the most physically able ever become professed members of the society.
For a high ranking Jesuit Priest like Father Malachi Martin to recant his vows and renouce his order after having been purified in the crucible of Jesuit training to be devoid of pride, obstinacy, self-will, love of ease, judgment, soul, and conscience. That can only be the work of the Holy Spirit. -
Erm, there is around 5 Jesuit priest in Singapore and I can swear none of them look like the ULTIMATE warrior. Give me facts instead of myths. Why dont u quote Alberto Reviera as well???Originally posted by Skibi:It is God that is attacking the Catholic Church.
Do you have any idea the kind of extreme physical and mental training Jesuits go through? It is tougher than all the toughest military training in the world combined past and present - SAS, Navy Seal, all pale greatly in comparison. Only the most fanatical(and disciplined), the most briliant, the most physically able ever become professed members of the society.
For a high ranking Jesuit Priest like Father Malachi Martin to recant his vows and renouce his order after having been purified in the crucible of Jesuit training to be devoid of pride, obstinacy, self-will, love of ease, judgment, soul, and conscience. That can only be the work of the Holy Spirit.
Explain to me if his allegations are true, wouldnt the Jesuits eliminate him long before he wrote the book? Wouldnt an orgainsation so sinister actually eliminate all deserters...
And lastly, why is God attacking the Church that is standing alone against the onslaught of sexual immorality. Skimbi, I bet ur church feels condoms are alrite....
Malachi states its the satanist infiltrators who is attacking the Church. Malachi is an ultra-traditionalist who left the Order due to Vatican 2. Have u ever read his works in Tridentine Liturgy? Malachi beleives the post-councilliar Church is under attack by Satan and Vatican 2 weakened it. He doesnt teach nor write that God is against the Church. He clearly states its Satan who is fighting against the Church founded by the Christ and built on Peter the rock.
If Malachi thought God was attacking the Church, why did he remain in it and kept his priesthood? Why does he continue to champion for teh return of the Tridentine Mass? I can only conclude he feels satanist is attacking the Church for She is thier enemy. God is our side. -
Mr Pope .. stop your tirade against the Protestant church lah. Skibi does not represent mainstream Protestant church.
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Just arguing if the Catholic Church had fallen...what abt the protestant church who have slacken in the onslaught of sexual immorailty.Originally posted by Icemoon:Mr Pope .. stop your tirade against the Protestant church lah. Skibi does not represent mainstream Protestant church.
Mind you, im not going around claiming that God is against the CC -
What has the topic got to do with Protestant Church?
Isn't it about some Catholic internal affairs? -
One of my arguments is God cant be against the Church that stands alone in the face of sexually immorality eg contraceptives. Every other mainstream protestant church has fallen since 1930.Originally posted by Icemoon:What has the topic got to do with Protestant Church?
Isn't it about some Catholic internal affairs?
Why would God be against us....we keep his commandments faithfully. -
Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:
Condoms are necessary for birth control. Can you imagine a poor family with too many children? The children will suffer unnecessarily, some even forced to turn to crime or the vice trade to survive.
And lastly, why is God attacking the Church that is standing alone against the onslaught of sexual immorality. Skimbi, I bet ur church feels condoms are alrite.... -
The Catholic Church has held contraception to be a grave evil for 2,000 years. This has been the teaching of the Fathers, the doctors, the saints, the medievals, and the popes. In fact, ALL Christian denoms held the same view as the Catholic Church, until the Anglicans at their Lambeth conference held it to be permissible under certain circumstances in 1930. Since then, most of the Protestant churches followed suit, and this has led to widespread decay in sexual immorality, including abortion. Only the Catholic Church, which is the true Church, has preached the TRUTH about contraception.Originally posted by Skibi:Condoms are necessary for birth control. Can you imagine a poor family with too many children? The children will suffer unnecessarily, some even forced to turn to crime or the vice trade to survive.
So its alright for a poor family to steal and rob if his family is starving? Will u denounce God and His commandments if your life depended on it? -
2000yrs? meaning 6AD? can you check the dates, I don't think the Church even exist yet.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:The Catholic Church has held contraception to be a grave evil for 2,000 years. This has been the teaching of the Fathers, the doctors, the saints, the medievals, and the popes. In fact, ALL Christian denoms held the same view as the Catholic Church, until the Anglicans at their Lambeth conference held it to be permissible under certain circumstances in 1930. Since then, most of the Protestant churches followed suit, and this has led to widespread decay in sexual immorality, including abortion. Only the Catholic Church, which is the true Church, has preached the TRUTH about contraception.
So its alright for a poor family to steal and rob if his family is starving? Will u denounce God and His commandments if your life depended on it?
contraception leading to widespread decay in sexual immorality, including abortion? is it possible for you show some stats on this claim? Thanks
personally? contraception is a 'tool' to prevent unwanted pregnancy that cause hardship to the family that cannot afford another mouth ..etc, its neither promote sexual immorality nor pre-marital sex, however I do agree that there are those who want to go into sexual immorality nor pre-marital sex abuse the usage of this 'tool'.
Other example will be the kitchen knife, its a tool that is useful is cutting up the food for cooking, it can also be a tool to commit murder (which is against the Ten Commandments).
Same goes to the Dynamite, a tool for mining and a tool for destruction. -
if this issue is abt roman catholics.. there's a catholic forum around here somewhere.
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I dun think Skibi is a Christian.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Just arguing if the Catholic Church had fallen...what abt the protestant church who have slacken in the onslaught of sexual immorailty.
Mind you, im not going around claiming that God is against the CC
Why dun u ask him what religion he is from? -
I asked already, still awaiting for answer...Originally posted by laoda99:I dun think Skibi is a Christian.
Why dun u ask him what religion he is from?
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Fine...since 33AD...ever heard of rounding up.Originally posted by vince69:2000yrs? meaning 6AD? can you check the dates, I don't think the Church even exist yet.
contraception leading to widespread decay in sexual immorality, including abortion? is it possible for you show some stats on this claim? Thanks
personally? contraception is a 'tool' to prevent unwanted pregnancy that cause hardship to the family that cannot afford another mouth ..etc, its neither promote sexual immorality nor pre-marital sex, however I do agree that there are those who want to go into sexual immorality nor pre-marital sex abuse the usage of this 'tool'.
Other example will be the kitchen knife, its a tool that is useful is cutting up the food for cooking, it can also be a tool to commit murder (which is against the Ten Commandments).
Same goes to the Dynamite, a tool for mining and a tool for destruction.
Contraception in essence is evil. Thats what every Church till the 1930s believed inh. We stand alone now 70yrs later.
If u wish to know why it is evil, it can be sum up in 1 sentence: Contraception is sinful because its separates life from love.
If u want bibical references, here it is one,
Gen. 38:8-10 - Onan is killed by God for practicing contraception (in this case, withdrawal) and spilling his semen on the ground. -
Your argument using life and love is fallacious. because you can have life without love. think harder ..Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:If u wish to know why it is evil, it can be sum up in 1 sentence: Contraception is sinful because its separates life from love.
If u want bibical references, here it is one,
Gen. 38:8-10 - Onan is killed by God for practicing contraception (in this case, withdrawal) and spilling his semen on the ground.
Scripture did not tell us the exact reason why Onan was killed. In fact you have committed the fallacy of "correlation implies causation" here. -
The purpose of love is to create life.Originally posted by Icemoon:Your argument using life and love is fallacious. because you can have life without love. think harder ..
Scripture did not tell us the exact reason why Onan was killed. In fact you have committed the fallacy of "correlation implies causation" here.
Here is the link which biblical reference in support of contraception is bad
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/contraception.html
Answer me, Why did every Protestant church view contraception was evil till 1930. Some protestant denom even say masturbation is good (my friend) for pleasure is godly. -
Once again, another fallacy.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:The purpose of love is to create life.
Here is the link which biblical reference in support of contraception is bad
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/contraception.html
Answer me, Why did every Protestant church view contraception was evil till 1930. Some protestant denom even say masturbation is good (my friend) for pleasure is godly.
Even if the purpose of love is to create life, but when you have a new life it doesn't mean it is a product of love.
Contraception evil till 1930 .. hmm .. maybe when condom was invented they change their mind?
Last time very dangerous to shoot inside the body. Unless you know techniques like the chinese dian xue to expel the semen.