One of the commandments is "No engraven idols"
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Not even that of God, right? What about pictures? What about that image of God in your mind?
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The image is made of Pictures drawn by Men.
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I only wish to talk to christians in this topic.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:The image is made of Pictures drawn by Men. -
You need to quote your source for "No engraven idols".Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Not even that of God, right? What about pictures? What about that image of God in your mind?
In the first place, there is no such word as "engraven" in the English language. There is "graven" and there is "engrave", both words meaning the act of carving out of a solid material.
It is likely that your source is Deuteronomy 5:8 or Exodus 20:4 which should go something like:
You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth;
The commandment is specifically on the making of a physical representation of God through the carving of stone or wood (these materials are common in those periods).
The question that you are asking is specifically on the development of an image of God in your mind (ie, the mental stage). There is no specific command in the Bible about developing a mental image of God..... but because we don't know how God looks like, we CANNOT develop this image.
Because your question is specifically targetted to Christians, you can safely assume that no Christian worth his salt will develop this mental image. This is not to say that a follower of another philosophy or faith does not do this act of developing this image. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
ok that's cool.
You need to quote your source for "No engraven idols".
In the first place, there is no such word as "engraven" in the English language. There is "graven" and there is "engrave", both words meaning the act of carving out of a solid material.
It is likely that your source is Deuteronomy 5:8 or Exodus 20:4 which should go something like:
You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth;
The commandment is specifically on the making of a physical representation of God through the [b]carving of stone or wood (these materials are common in those periods).
The question that you are asking is specifically on the development of an image of God in your mind (ie, the mental stage). There is no specific command in the Bible about developing a mental image of God..... but because we don't know how God looks like, we CANNOT develop this image.
Because your question is specifically targetted to Christians, you can safely assume that no Christian worth his salt will develop this mental image. This is not to say that a follower of another philosophy or faith does not do this act of developing this image.[/b] -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
yi4 zhen1 jian4 xie3
You need to quote your source for "No engraven idols".
In the first place, there is no such word as "engraven" in the English language. There is "graven" and there is "engrave", both words meaning the act of carving out of a solid material.
It is likely that your source is Deuteronomy 5:8 or Exodus 20:4 which should go something like:
You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth;
The commandment is specifically on the making of a physical representation of God through the [b]carving of stone or wood (these materials are common in those periods).
The question that you are asking is specifically on the development of an image of God in your mind (ie, the mental stage). There is no specific command in the Bible about developing a mental image of God..... but because we don't know how God looks like, we CANNOT develop this image.
Because your question is specifically targetted to Christians, you can safely assume that no Christian worth his salt will develop this mental image. This is not to say that a follower of another philosophy or faith does not do this act of developing this image.[/b] -
Of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn't yet reveal himself visibly "in the form of any figure." God gave us an image of himself to worship by becoming Jesus Christ. Is that idolatry?Originally posted by davidche:yi4 zhen1 jian4 xie3
God's commandment is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.
In the ark you are to put the commandments which I will give you. "You shall then make a propitiatory of pure gold, two cubits and a half long, and one and a half cubits wide. Make two cherubim of beaten gold for the two ends of the propitiatory, fastening them so that one cherub springs direct from each end. The cherubim shall have their wings spread out above, covering the propitiatory with them; they shall be turned toward each other, but with their faces looking toward the propitiatory. This propitiatory you shall then place on top of the ark. In the ark itself you are to put the commandments which I will give you. There I will meet you and there, from above the propitiatory, between the two cherubim on the ark of the commandments, I will tell you all the commands that I wish you to give the Israelites. "You shall also make a table of acacia wood, two cubits long, a cubit wide, and a cubit and a half high. Plate it with pure gold and make a molding of gold around it. Surround it with a frame, a handbreadth high, with a molding of gold around the frame. You shall also make four rings of gold for it and fasten them at the four corners, one at each leg, on two opposite sides of the frame as holders for the poles to carry the table. These poles for carrying the table you shall make of acacia wood and plate with gold. Of pure gold you shall make its plates and cups, as well as its pitchers and bowls for pouring libations. On the table you shall always keep showbread set before me. "You shall make a lampstand of pure beaten gold-its shaft and branches-with its cups and knobs and petals springing directly from it.Six branches are to extend from the sides of the lampstand, three branches on one side, and three on the other
Exodus 25 17:26
God allows the building of angels and cherubims.....as long as the Israeilites do not worship it, there is no problem. Also note how God wants his temple to be filled with Gold and riches. Our churches too are the same. Before u criticse a Catholic church for having too many paintings etc, remember we are doing as God desired.
You do salute your flag; you do build in bronze and stone the figures of those who had prominence in your world, so why cannot you build in bronze and stone the images of the personages of Heaven? If images of Rock Stars are good but those of the Holiest of Saints are flawed....how Satan has succeeded....