For academic discussion sake, what are your views on this?
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http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen03.html
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Hmmm dun think it will lead to any form of academic discussion.Originally posted by genq:http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen03.html
Another skibi?
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I do not have any religion yet. Still searching. Thus would like to seek more views before deciding on one.Originally posted by laoda99:Hmmm dun think it will lead to any form of academic discussion.
Another skibi?
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What are u searching for?Originally posted by genq:I do not have any religion yet. Still searching. Thus would like to seek more views before deciding on one.
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I have searched for quite some time.Originally posted by genq:I do not have any religion yet. Still searching. Thus would like to seek more views before deciding on one.
Maybe we can compare notes.
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So have u found yours? Judaism?Originally posted by Icemoon:I have searched for quite some time.
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As I had said, searching for a religion.Originally posted by laoda99:What are u searching for?
BTW, that website does not represent Christian views.
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Confirm guarantee plus chop.Originally posted by genq:You meant the website does not represent modern Christian views? There are verses from the Bible.
Icemoon will now tell u who origen is. -
no religion is perfect. Judaism admits its sages are not infalliable.Originally posted by laoda99:So have u found yours? Judaism?
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He meant to say the views espoused are not representative of Christians.Originally posted by genq:As I had said, searching for a religion.
You meant the website does not represent modern Christian views? There are verses from the Bible.
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so have u found? no?Originally posted by Icemoon:no religion is perfect. Judaism admits its sages are not infalliable. -
what do you mean by this?Originally posted by laoda99:Confirm guarantee plus chop.
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actually I have.Originally posted by laoda99:so have u found? no?
It is not a religion but a relationship.
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Good. As long as not rojak relationship can liao.Originally posted by Icemoon:actually I have.
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Wasnt Origen a Church Father who was anathema for some wierd soul doctrine.
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Yeah...tat's why he never become a saint.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Wasnt Origen a Church Father who was anathema for some wierd soul doctrine. -
Agreed. Though he did give some valuable pieces of information on other doctrines.Originally posted by laoda99:Yeah...tat's why he never become a saint. -
Winners write history.Originally posted by laoda99:Yeah...tat's why he never become a saint.
Origen was The theologian before Augustine. He was also the master exegist in his time.
Very funny but when the anathema was pronounced on him .. he was long dead. -
.. which means there could be a travesty of justice.
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Well, if u dont reallie have a chance to defend urself. Majority of times, u are just anathema. Was MArtin Luther anathematised?Originally posted by Icemoon:.. which means there could be a travesty of justice.
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dunno. but luther clearly had a chance to defend himself, but he clung to Scripture instead.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Well, if u dont reallie have a chance to defend urself. Majority of times, u are just anathema. Was MArtin Luther anathematised?
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I cant recall who was the last person to be anathema. Its a very serious punishment.Originally posted by Icemoon:dunno. but luther clearly had a chance to defend himself, but he clung to Scripture instead.
RESPECT.
While "minor excommunication" could be incurred by associating with an excommunicate, and "major excommunication" could be imposed by any bishop, "anathema" was imposed by the Pope in a specific ceremony described in the Pontificale Romanum.
Wearing a purple cope (the liturgical color of penitence) and holding a lighted candle, he, surrounded by twelve priests, also with lighted candles, pronounced the anathema with a formula that concluded with the phrase:
"Wherefore in the name of God the All-powerful, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, of Blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and of all the saints, in virtue of the power which has been given us of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, we deprive (Name) himself and all his accomplices and all his abettors of the Communion of the Body and Blood of Our Lord, we separate him from the society of all Christians, we exclude him from the bosom of our Holy Mother the Church in Heaven and on earth, we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate, so long as he will not burst the fetters of the demon, do penance and satisfy the Church; we deliver him to Satan to mortify his body, that his soul may be saved on the day of judgment."
The priests responded: "Fiat, fiat, fiat" (Let it be done), and all, including the pontiff, cast their lighted candles on the ground. -
lol .. so drama.
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Isn't Fiat the name of a car?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:The priests responded: "Fiat, fiat, fiat" (Let it be done), and all, including the pontiff, cast their lighted candles on the ground.
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OMG HAHAHA. Nah.....POPEMOBILE POPEMOBILE.Originally posted by Icemoon:Isn't Fiat the name of a car?
Vatican should be chanting "Ferrari, ferrari, ferrari" instead.
But i dont think there has been any anathema for centuries.